36 People are Missing

[Samantha]

We used to be a country that stood for human rights.

Now we are a country that tortures. I, along with Human Rights watch, want President Bush to tell us where these 36 missing people are. This is not something that the USA that I know, does. I do not respect countries that extraordinarily render people and send them to be tortured. This is not what my country stands for.


“President Bush told us that the last 14 CIA prisoners were sent to Guantanamo, but there are many other prisoners ‘disappeared’ by the CIA whose fate is still unknown,” said Joanne Mariner, terrorism and counterterrorism director at Human Rights Watch. “The question is: what happened to these people and where are they now?”

In early September, 14 detainees were transferred from secret CIA prisons to military custody at Guantanamo Bay. In a televised speech on September 6, President Bush announced that with those 14 transfers, no prisoners were left in CIA custody.

The former CIA detainee, Marwan Jabour, told Human Rights Watch about a number of other people who were in CIA detention but whose present whereabouts are unknown. Jabour saw one of these men, Algerian terrorism suspect Yassir al-Jazeeri, as recently as July 2006 in CIA custody.

“The Bush administration needs to provide a full accounting of everyone who was ‘disappeared’ into CIA prisons, including their names, locations, and when they left US custody,” Mariner said.

Human Rights Watch’s letter to Bush contained two lists of missing detainees. The first list names 16 people whom Human Rights Watch believes were held in CIA prisons and whose current whereabouts are unknown. The second list names 22 people who may have been held in CIA prisons and whose current whereabouts are unknown.


Marwan Jabour was arrested by Pakistani authorities in May 2004 in Pakistan and held for more than a month at a secret facility in Islamabad operated by both US and Pakistani personnel, during which time he was badly abused. In June, he was flown to another secret prison, which he believes was in Afghanistan, where all or nearly all of the personnel were American.

His clothes were taken from him when he arrived, and he was left completely naked for a month and a half, including during questioning by women interrogators and filming. He was chained tightly to the wall of his small cell so that he could not stand up, placed in painful stress positions so that he had difficulty breathing, and told that if he did not cooperate he would be put in a suffocating “dog box.”

During the more than two years that he was held in this secret prison, Jabour spent nearly all of his time alone in a windowless cell, with little human contact besides his captors. Although he worried incessantly about his wife and three young daughters, he was not allowed even to send them a letter to reassure them that he was alive.

“It was a grave,” Jabour later told Human Rights Watch. “I felt like my life was over.”

The wife of another former CIA detainee whose whereabouts remain unknown told Human Rights Watch that she has had to lie to her four children about her husband’s “disappearance.” She explained that she could not bear telling them that she did not know where he was.

“What I’m hoping,” she said, “is if they find out their father has been detained, that I’ll at least be able to tell them what country he’s being held in, and in what conditions.”

Enforced disappearance involves arbitrary, secret and incommunicado detention, and poses a serious risk to the right to life and to protection from torture and other mistreatment. As these cases make clear, enforced disappearance also inflicts severe mental pain and suffering on the “disappeared” person’s family.

US: Secret CIA Prisoners Still Missing (Human Rights Watch, 26-2-2007) (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/02/26/usint15408.htm)

[Merlin]

We used to be a country that stood for human rights.

Now we are a country that tortures. I, along with Human Rights watch, want President Bush to tell us where these 36 missing people are. This is not something that the USA that I know, does. I do not respect countries that extraordinarily render people and send them to be tortured. This is not what my country stands for.





US: Secret CIA Prisoners Still Missing (Human Rights Watch, 26-2-2007) (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/02/26/usint15408.htm)

No, we used to be a country that stood for American rights. How about comparing a prisoner that we hold with a prisoner that the same country holds. We are bringing their citizen on an all paid Holiday with all the bells and whistles. I think it's about time to send the Human Rights Watch group to another country and pull their citizenship from the USA. We treat our animals and kids worse than we've treated prisoners, yet these people whine and gripe about terrorist not being treated right. Somewhere along the line, we got our priorities backward.

[glockmail]

The title of this thread is wrong. They are not people; they are terrorists, and gone missin' is a good thing.

[Gem]

The title of this thread is wrong. They are not people; they are terrorists, and gone missin' is a good thing.

Sure thing, Glock!

Just like that Canadian citizen that the CIA "mis- identified" and abducted and sent to Egypt to be confined and tortured for what, two years, right Glock?

How about that guy in Afghanistan who was suspended for four days in Bagram while being badly beaten until he died of suffocation, after which it was determined by our own military officials that he was innocent? They're all brown-skinned and Arabic so they're not people, they're just terrorists, right, Glock?

Gem
:fu:

[CSM]

Sure thing, Glock!

They're all brown-skinned and Arabic so they're not people, they're just terrorists, right, Glock?

Gem
:fu:

Yup, you're learning!

[glockmail]

... They're all brown-skinned and Arabic so they're not people, they're just terrorists, right, Glock?
....

Didn't take long for you to play the race card. :slap:

[trobinett]

We used to be a country that stood for human rights.

Now we are a country that tortures. I, along with Human Rights watch, want President Bush to tell us where these 36 missing people are. This is not something that the USA that I know, does. I do not respect countries that extraordinarily render people and send them to be tortured. This is not what my country stands for.





US: Secret CIA Prisoners Still Missing (Human Rights Watch, 26-2-2007) (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/02/26/usint15408.htm)

Nice first post Samantha, trying to stir the pot?

90% of that post is radical left wing bull shit, the other 10% is spin.

:fu:

[Samantha]

Didn't take long for you to play the race card. :slap:So this is where you went after leaving USPOL! :lol: There are more of your fascist right wing buddies over here I see. :clap:

[Gaffer]

I smell a troll. (sniff sniff)

And those being held, whether secret or not are islamists through and through. Don't waste your pity there. Islamists come in all colors so playing the race card doesn't work.

:pee: islam

[glockmail]

So this is where you went after leaving USPOL! :lol: There are more of your fascist right wing buddies over here I see. :clap:

Fascism is more descriptive of Left-wing politics, wouldn’t you agree?

[Abbey Marie]

Fascism is more descriptive of Left-wing politics, wouldn’t you agree?

Indeed. Right-wingers aren't the ones trying to stifle speech we disagree with, for example.

[Hugh Lincoln]

Damn.

I was hoping this thread was about the new Democratic Congress.

"Where is Teddy Kennedy? Last I saw, he'd left the bar and was headed for the bridge, with Nancy Pelosi in the passenger seat."

[Samantha]

Fascism is more descriptive of Left-wing politics, wouldn’t you agree?Fascism is on the right, socialism is on the left.


Indeed. Right-wingers aren't the ones trying to stifle speech we disagree with, for example.For example??? You seem to have forgotten to share the example.

[manu1959]

I, along with Human Rights watch, want President Bush to tell us where these 36 missing people are.

....arrested by Pakistani authorities in May 2004 in Pakistan ....



36 terrorists mia...who cares.....

as for the pakis grabbing people....wrong place wrong time...

don't see the issue here

[glockmail]

Fascism is on the right, socialism is on the left.

.....

:laugh2:

Proof of this?

[CSM]

I just gotta ask:

If they disappeared and no one knows what happened to them how do they know the CIA did it?

[trobinett]

I just gotta ask:

If they disappeared and no one knows what happened to them how do they know the CIA did it?

Well, cause my cousin, on my mothers side, knows this guy who use to work for the post office, and he had it on good authority, that it wasn't aliens.:poke:

[Abbey Marie]

Fascism is on the right, socialism is on the left.

For example??? You seem to have forgotten to share the example.

I didn't "forget" anything.

[Samantha]

36 terrorists mia...who cares.....

as for the pakis grabbing people....wrong place wrong time...

don't see the issue hereSo you're a racist then?

Paki is a racist slur in case you didn't know.

[Samantha]

I didn't "forget" anything.But you did. You made an false allegation and forgot to include the examples.

Maybe you didn't forget, maybe you're right, there are no examples, because what you said isn't true!

Am I right?

[stephanie]

One thing we've learned is.....

Terrorist never lie...

And neither does the human rights watch..

I'm with whoever said, let's kick out the human rights watch...
They never talk about the Muslim countries, who stone a woman to death..
Or Iran who holds public hangings in the square.
Or the rape of someones daughter if a family member has done a crime against another family....
Or in Africa where they still perform clitoris mutilations...

HRW and the person who posted thread........Suck

[glockmail]

So you're a racist then?

Paki is a racist slur in case you didn't know. In this culture its a simple abbreviation. Don't be so judgemental and culturally insensitive. :D

[stephanie]

In this culture its a simple abbreviation. Don't be so judgemental and culturally insensitive. :D

Famous words in the liberal handbook.
racist
bigot
homophobes
warmonger
hater
intolerant
did I miss any??:laugh2:

Not a one bother me

[glockmail]

Famous words in the liberal handbook.
racist
bigot
homophobes
warmonger
hater
intolerant
did I miss any??:laugh2:

Not a one bother me

What's with the clockmail, steph?

[stephanie]

What's with the clockmail, steph?

Don't know glock..
Sometimes when I hit the quote to reply to a person it changes the names.
I didn't catch this one...But it always did it on gabisorous, or what ever name she went by...

I swear this is the truth, I've only had a couple of drinks...All I did was hit the quote, I didn't touch your name or any part of your quote..
Anyone else have this happen??? Or is it just my computer...And no messing with my head, tell the truth...
:laugh2:

[Samantha]

In this culture its a simple abbreviation. Don't be so judgemental and culturally insensitive. :DIn this culture it came from the UK, where it is a racial slur.


Famous words in the liberal handbook.
racist
bigot
homophobes
warmonger
hater
intolerant
did I miss any??:laugh2:

Not a one bother meDo they all describe you?

[stephanie]

In this culture it came from the UK, where it is a racial slur.

Do they all describe you?


Nope....
I've seen one or two in you already:poke:

[Gunny]

In this culture it came from the UK, where it is a racial slur.

Do they all describe you?

May I inquire as to who really gives a rat's ass who's offended? Feel free to be as secularly progressive politically correct as you wish, but try and practice some of that not infinging on other's 1st amendment rights y'all whine about so much.

[Samantha]

May I inquire as to who really gives a rat's ass who's offended? Feel free to be as secularly progressive politically correct as you wish, but try and practice some of that not infinging on other's 1st amendment rights y'all whine about so much.It's not about your right to be an asshole. It's about manners and a civilized society that's not filled with hate and violence.

Why would you want to offend people?

[Gunny]

It's not about your right to be an asshole. It's about manners and a civilized society that's not filled with hate and violence.

Why would you want to offend people?

Why would I want to stifle my speech because some overly-sensitive weenie somewhere might be offended?

And when liberal extremists become the less hate-filled and violent, and more well-mannered in our society you be sure and let me know.

[shattered]

It's not about your right to be an asshole. It's about manners and a civilized society that's not filled with hate and violence.

Why would you want to offend people?

Good God. There's the pot calling the kettle black.. You just stomped in here and started insulting people you'd never really even HEARD of, because someone TOLD you to.

So tell me.. Why WOULD you want to insult someone?

[Samantha]

Good God. There's the pot calling the kettle black.. You just stomped in here and started insulting people you'd never really even HEARD of, because someone TOLD you to.

So tell me.. Why WOULD you want to insult someone?Actually, I'm pretty sure I made a thread which brought on the insults. I didn't stomp anywhere, responded to the posts in the way they deserved ;) I didn't calling anyone any names (see edit).

Someone told me to?

No one told me to, where are you getting that from? I made this thread a while back and came today to see if anyone said anything.

Oh and God told me to :laugh2: like he tells George Bush to invade countries.

edit: oh yes, I see I did say you fascist right wing buddies.....but that wasn't stomping in because someone "told me to" (tell me who told me to, now I am curious). That was because I saw my old buddy glockmail from another board.

[loosecannon]

Why would I want to stifle my speech because some overly-sensitive weenie somewhere might be offended?



Thanks Gunny, Iknew down deep you understood the patriotic responsibility we all have to bash Bush.

He certainly deserves it and it is our part to play in the great democracy.

Let's him know how out of step he is with the people and all. Negative mandate for the escalation of his foolish elective war and all that truth.

We all knew you were a patriot down deep, don't disappoint us now by denouncing the democracy.

[loosecannon]

So tell me.. Why WOULD you want to insult someone?

Because they support our nation's number one enemy? GWB?

[stephanie]

Because they support our nation's number one enemy? GWB?

Hmmmmmm...
in 08 if a Republican wins..
I wonder who's initials they'll be able to hate then....:laugh2::laugh2:

[loosecannon]

Hmmmmmm...
in 08 if a Republican wins..
I wonder who's initials they'll be able to hate then....:laugh2::laugh2:


Clenis?

[manu1959]

Hmmmmmm...
in 08 if a Republican wins..
I wonder who's initials they'll be able to hate then....:laugh2::laugh2:

i hope the dems win ... i hope that the troops are still there ....

[Gaffer]

Because they support our nation's number one enemy? GWB?

This is the mind set of the liberal. To them there is only one enemy in the whole world.

[loosecannon]

This is the mind set of the liberal. To them there is only one enemy in the whole world.

gaffe, your immaturity is showing again.

Bush is the number 1 enemy of the US today. He has led our nation into the realm of "catastrophic success".

His words to describe his own Iraq quagmire.

[manu1959]

This is the mind set of the liberal. To them there is only one enemy in the whole world.

well he did steal two elections without getting caught, flew airplanes into buildings without being killed, secretly owns haliburton and is stealing all the oli ... all the while pretending to be a stupid hick ...

[loosecannon]

This is the mind set of the liberal. To them there is only one enemy in the whole world.


while you imagine a dozen phantom enemies.

And fail to recognize the one and only real enemy America has today: Saudi Arabia and the Madrassas.

Thank God YOU are not in the NSA.

[manu1959]

while you imagine a dozen phantom enemies.

And fail to recognize the one and only real enemy America has today: Saudi Arabia and the Madrassas.

Thank God YOU are not in the NSA.

uhhhh in the other thread you said islamofacists were not a threat?

[Roomy]

Well, I for one, hope that they find these missing terrorists and kill them.:cheers2:

[Gaffer]

while you imagine a dozen phantom enemies.

And fail to recognize the one and only real enemy America has today: Saudi Arabia and the Madrassas.

Thank God YOU are not in the NSA.

Either islamist are a threat or they are not, make up your mind. In your warped mind Bush is the enemy. When in fact the enemy is islam. ALL of islam not a tiny minority of extremists. And iran is the central head of the islamists. But your too wrapped up in your hatred of Bush to even see that little bit of information.

Your either blinded by Bush hatred or your an iranian stooge. Which is it?

[stephanie]

Well, I for one, hope that they find these missing terrorists and kill them.:cheers2:

Dang it's good to see someone from another country be on our side...
We have enough here in the US, that hate their own country.

:cheers2:

[Gunny]

Thanks Gunny, Iknew down deep you understood the patriotic responsibility we all have to bash Bush.

He certainly deserves it and it is our part to play in the great democracy.

Let's him know how out of step he is with the people and all. Negative mandate for the escalation of his foolish elective war and all that truth.

We all knew you were a patriot down deep, don't disappoint us now by denouncing the democracy.

You have never once heard me say you do not have the right to bash anyone you wish to. Disagreeing with your extremist, fantasy-based rhetoric is in no way saying that.

[Gunny]

gaffe, your immaturity is showing again.

Bush is the number 1 enemy of the US today. He has led our nation into the realm of "catastrophic success".

His words to describe his own Iraq quagmire.

And here's a perfect example. Pure bullshit unworthy of anyone attempting to respond.

[glockmail]

In this culture it came from the UK, where it is a racial slur.

Do they all describe you?

I don't live in the UK, nor is this a UK message board.

Why are you slurring me? Stop being so offensive and culturally insensitive.

[Roomy]

I don't live in the UK, nor is this a UK message board.

Why are you slurring me? Stop being so offensive and culturally insensitive.


It is only a racial slur as far as the Pakis and the PC brigade are concerned, almost everyone here calls them Pakis, but if it bothers anyone Pakistanis will suffice, I cant see any difference myself, although it can be used in a court of law against you.:laugh2: .

[Gunny]

It is only a racial slur as far as the Pakis and the PC brigade are concerned, almost everyone here calls them Pakis, but if it bothers anyone Pakistanis will suffice, I cant see any difference myself, although it can be used in a court of law against you.:laugh2: .

Really?

[avatar4321]

Because they support our nation's number one enemy? GWB?

The fact that you actually believe GWB is more of a threat people who want to oppress, murder us, and destroy our way of life clearly shows the moral and intellectual bankrupcy of your character. It's people like you that make it absolutely clear to me that we are going to have a civil war in this nation. And all because the sane Americans actually want to stay alive.

[Samantha]

I don't live in the UK, nor is this a UK message board.

Why are you slurring me? Stop being so offensive and culturally insensitive.Well if you enjoy being a racist bigot, carry on.

Pak·i Pronunciation Key (pk)
n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang pl. Pak·is
Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring
countries or for the descendant of such a person.

But then, your dear leader used it too.....and then apologized.


"'Paki' is an extreme racial slur used to refer to people of South Asian origin. It is a South Asian equivalent of the term 'Jap' or the 'N word.' President Bush apologized after using the word last year at a press conference." http://www.lowculture.com/archives/2004/02/confidential_to.html

[stephanie]

Well if you enjoy being a racist bigot, carry on.

Paki Pronunciation Key (pk)
n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang pl. Pak·is
Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring
countries or for the descendant of such a person.

But then, your dear leader used it too.....and then apologized.

http://www.lowculture.com/archives/2004/02/confidential_to.html

Oh boy.......We have our own Reverend Sharpton on board..:rolleyes:

[glockmail]

Well if you enjoy being a racist bigot, carry on.

Pak·i Pronunciation Key (pk)
n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang pl. Pak·is
Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring
countries or for the descendant of such a person.

But then, your dear leader used it too.....and then apologized.

http://www.lowculture.com/archives/2004/02/confidential_to.html

Since you have resorted to insults it appears that you have lost the argument, as "racist" and "bigot" are clearly disparaging term in the US.

Again, I'm not British and neither is Bush.

[Roomy]

Really?


Yes, Pakistanis hate the term Pakis so much they baby cried long and hard until as has been pointed out it is now viewed as a racial slur and is a criminal offense to use as such, as far as reasonable people are concerned it is merely an abbreviation.

[avatar4321]

Well if you enjoy being a racist bigot, carry on.

Pak·i Pronunciation Key (pk)
n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang pl. Pak·is
Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring
countries or for the descendant of such a person.

But then, your dear leader used it too.....and then apologized.

http://www.lowculture.com/archives/2004/02/confidential_to.html

Don't you love how the left tries to shut people up by calling them names?

[avatar4321]

Yes, Pakistanis hate the term Pakis so much they baby cried long and hard until as has been pointed out it is now viewed as a racial slur and is a criminal offense to use as such, as far as reasonable people are concerned it is merely an abbreviation.

Apparantly, pointing out someones ethnic origins in an abbreviated manner is racist now.

You Brits should be proud... wait did am I a racist for calling you a Brit instead of using the whole term? Forgive me

[Roomy]

Apparantly, pointing out someones ethnic origins in an abbreviated manner is racist now.

You Brits should be proud... wait did am I a racist for calling you a Brit instead of using the whole term? Forgive me

I think you would have had to call me a Briti:laugh2:

[Samantha]

Since you have resorted to insults it appears that you have lost the argument, as "racist" and "bigot" are clearly disparaging term in the US.

Again, I'm not British and neither is Bush.
Are you offended by my calling you a racist bigot? Your posts seem to show that you are proud of it and not intending to change. So how is it an insult to call you what you are proud of being?

[avatar4321]

I think you would have had to call me a Briti:laugh2:

You Briti's are way to technical:p:

[stephanie]

Are you offended by my calling you a racist bigot? Your posts seem to show that you are proud of it and not intending to change. So how is it an insult to call you what you are proud of being?

Do you get your jollies by going around badgering people...

:lame2:

[avatar4321]

Are you offended by my calling you a racist bigot? Your posts seem to show that you are proud of it and not intending to change. So how is it an insult to call you what you are proud of being?

Doesn't seem to me that he is offended at all. Just alittle annoyed with the lack of maturity of your responses.

[Samantha]

Do you get your jollies by going around badgering people...

:lame2:Do you ever post anything of substance?

[Samantha]

Doesn't seem to me that he is offended at all. Just alittle annoyed with the lack of maturity of your responses.Really? So when you claim someone is insulting you, you're not offended by that insult? He claims I insulted him and then he seems to be proud to continue using the racist slur and in doing so, continues to be a bigot.

Now you are insulting me with the maturity remarkl, but since it makes no sense, I'm not offended, there's nothing immature about pointing out racism.


Since you have resorted to insults it appears that you have lost the argument, as "racist" and "bigot" are clearly disparaging term in the US.

Again, I'm not British and neither is Bush.

[stephanie]

Do you ever post anything of substance?

Aaaaaa...I see

You have no problem badgering others..
But don't like a taste of your own medicine....:laugh2:

[avatar4321]

Really? So when you claim someone is insulting you, you're not offended by that insult? He claims I insulted him and then he seems to be proud to continue using the racist slur and in doing so, continues to be a bigot.

Now you are insulting me with the maturity remarkl, but since it makes no sense, I'm not offended, there's nothing immature about pointing out racism.

Of course I'm not offend. I'm not about to give inconsiderate people power over me. But then your own posts contradicts your absurd original question.

[glockmail]

Apparantly, pointing out someones ethnic origins in an abbreviated manner is racist now.

You Brits should be proud... wait did am I a racist for calling you a Brit instead of using the whole term? Forgive me

As long as the term is associated with Caucasian it will never be seen as a racial slur, honky. ;)

[glockmail]

Are you offended by my calling you a racist bigot? Your posts seem to show that you are proud of it and not intending to change. So how is it an insult to call you what you are proud of being? Perhaps you can point out where I have been racist.

[gabosaurus]

Poor Samantha -- expecting a primarily Republican board to care about human rights.
She will learn quickly. :laugh2:

[Gaffer]

Hey roomy, I bet the only paki's over there that get offended by that are muslims.

[avatar4321]

Poor Samantha -- expecting a primarily Republican board to care about human rights.
She will learn quickly. :laugh2:

So called "human rights" is a very subjective topic.

[glockmail]

So called "human rights" is a very subjective topic. Its health care, free housing and cash from cradle to grave: Cuba.

[Gunny]

Really? So when you claim someone is insulting you, you're not offended by that insult? He claims I insulted him and then he seems to be proud to continue using the racist slur and in doing so, continues to be a bigot.

Now you are insulting me with the maturity remarkl, but since it makes no sense, I'm not offended, there's nothing immature about pointing out racism.

The immaturity comes into play when one sees racism or some other form of bigotry hiding behind every word. I call people what they are, and if called up to describe them, their ethnicity/race, religion, gender all come into play.

And if I'm sitting on a plane with five goofballs wearing their bath linen on their heads and beadsheets for clothes and they start talking about 9/11 and OBL, you're damned right I'm going to assume the worst ... and either they or I won't be making that flight.

Racial insensitivity does not necessarily include racism, something you SP PC types don't get, purposefully. I could give a crap what color, gender, religion, and/or anything else anyone else is, an idiot is an idiot. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who tries to hide behind their race/religion/gender as an excuse for bad behavior is an idiot.

And people like YOU keep those idiots in business.