War funding

[Classact]

This week congress will vote on war funding. Will congress fund the war? Will the funding be "clean"? Will the funding be filled with non-related legislation? Will president Bush demand a "clean" funding bill?

[Psychoblues]

As is their practice, the republicans will deny the veterans, forget our children and grandchildren, potentially bankrupt the country and blame the democrats while hiding their own cowardices. Well? Deep subject for shallow minds.

[actsnoblemartin]

im too annoyed at the republican party to comment, which is why im independant :laugh2:


As is their practice, the republicans will deny the veterans, forget our children and grandchildren, potentially bankrupt the country and blame the democrats while hiding their own cowardices. Well? Deep subject for shallow minds.

[red states rule]

Dems have a surrender date, and higher taxes in the war funding bill


Damaging the war effort
THE WASHINGTON TIMES EDITORIAL


As Congress heads toward the Memorial Day recess, the House and Senate Democratic leadership seem to be competing with each other to see which chamber can pass the more irresponsible bill to fund U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The House Appropriations Committee, chaired by Rep. David Obey, Wisconsin Democrat, and the Senate Appropriations Committee, chaired by Sen. Robert Byrd, West Virginia Democrat, have larded up their respective bills with such things as new domestic spending, along with a tax increase to fund a seriously flawed veterans education bill; a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq; crippling limitations on the CIA's ability to interrogate captured terrorists and even an amnesty plan that would benefit illegal-alien farmworkers. In other words, they have put in more than enough objectionable provisions to trigger a presidential veto.

On the House side, the Democrats on Thursday managed to pass a "war funding" bill that failed to contain funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's because the leadership broke the legislation up into three parts: There were votes on war funding; policy restrictions focusing on the Bush administration's conduct of military operations; and domestic spending. This was supposed to give the hard left in the House Democratic Caucus the ability to vote for new taxes and spending and voice their opposition to the Bush administration's conduct of the war, while House Republicans would vote to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, therefore sparing the Democrats the indignity of criticism that Congress was showing contempt for the war effort (which, of course, is precisely what most of the Democrats have been doing throughout the 110th Congress). The domestic spending and policy restrictions were rammed through the House on largely party-line votes. But Republicans — understandably disgusted with the political game-playing and the fact that they were shut out of the drafting of the bill — refused to play their assigned role. The troop funding plan failed on a 149-141 vote, with 132 lawmakers voting "present" — all of them Republicans.

The legislation included an 18-month pullout timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq — a helpful calendar for al Qaeda and the Iraqi militias hoping to wait out the U.S. military. There was at least $21.2 billion in domestic spending for everything from unemployment benefits to levees in New Orleans.

In addition, the bill includes a surtax on millionaires to pay for an extension of GI education benefits that the Congressional Budget Office estimates will cost $51.6 billion over the next 10 years. That legislation mirrors a Senate bill introduced by Sens. James Webb, Virginia Democrat, and John Warner, Virginia Republican. The Webb-Warner measure will likely attract more military recruits with its very favorable education benefits — but it could may also degrade the quality of the U.S. military by encouraging soldiers not to re-enlist. In a report earlier this month, CBO indicated that Webb-Warner could cut the re-enlistment rate by 16 percent (which if accurate would run directly counter to the national interest.) But instead of taking the time to craft a good bill that would improve veterans' educational benefits without slashing the re-enlistment rate, the House Democratic leadership, regrettably with some Republican support, voted to include Webb-Warner in the legislation that passed on Thursday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080519/EDITORIAL/548536930/1013/editorial

[Classact]

I should have stated my position in the original post but here goes.

I think president Bush should demand a clean funding bill. This is the only way the congress can clearly state they support the mission, if congress doesn't support the mission then they should create funding with stipulations that the funding can only be used for immediate withdraw. America is at war and either congress supports those wars or they don't and if they don't then they should say so when they open the checkbook. The only other option on funding for the war should be whether or not it should be paid for or financed.

In the Senate there is a bipartisan plan to add an immigration issue and probably a new GI Bill. In the House last week there was legislation, formerly passed by the house introduced and three amendments that included war funding, unemployment extensions and a new GI Bill. The war funding was not approved when 79 Republicans voted present forcing Democrats to vote supporting the Democratic legislation. The unemployment/GI bill amendments were not debated in committee and no amendments were allowed from Democrats or Republicans, they were simply written by House Democratic leadership and presented to the House to either agree with or not agree with, this caused the Republicans to protest the vote on the war funding since they were closed out of other debate.

I do not see anything but a clean war funding bill, paid for or financed as a just action. Either fund the war or end the war. The other immigration, GI bill and unemployment actions should be legislated alone on their merits (funded or unfunded financed).

President Bush should warn the congress that if they fund the war other than a clean funding bill he will take that action as non-confidence and immediately end the war and remove all troops from Iraq and Afghanistan leaving all non operational equipment on the battlefield or blow it in place. Troops will be moving out on everything that has smoke coming out and what remains behind is the responsibility of congress.

Senator Obama and McCain should vote yes on the clean bill and Clinton No.

[red states rule]

CA, wea re talking about the party of surrender and appeasement. They do not want to send a clean bill to President Bush

They want to have a clear surrrender date so terrorirts will know for how long they can lat low and regroup

Dems have no desire to support the troops - they have shown how they feel about them. Dems have called the troops terrorists, uneducated, cold blooded killers, and compared them to Nazi's and Pol Pot

If the Dems did do the right thing and sent a clean bill to president Bush, Dems would piss off their ATM machine - the Daily Kook Kos crowd and the Soros nuts

[Classact]

CA, wea re talking about the party of surrender and appeasement. They do not want to send a clean bill to President Bush

They want to have a clear surrrender date so terrorirts will know for how long they can lat low and regroup

Dems have no desire to support the troops - they have shown how they feel about them. Dems have called the troops terrorists, uneducated, cold blooded killers, and compared them to Nazi's and Pol Pot

If the Dems did do the right thing and sent a clean bill to president Bush, Dems would piss off their ATM machine - the Daily Kook Kos crowd and the Soros nutsBush should call them on it! I think when they send him the Farm Bill he should hand deliver his veto in a special State of the Union Joint Session of Congress, have a prime time speech and list all that is wrong with the Farm Bill and tell the public they should vote out any congressperson that votes to sustain the veto... Then he should lay out a clean funding for the war and tell the congress and the American people they have a week and perhaps it may be a good time to fill the tank and some plastic tanks because it's about to get real.

[red states rule]

Bush should call them on it! I think when they send him the Farm Bill he should hand deliver his veto in a special State of the Union Joint Session of Congress, have a prime time speech and list all that is wrong with the Farm Bill and tell the public they should vote out any congressperson that votes to sustain the veto... Then he should lay out a clean funding for the war and tell the congress and the American people they have a week and perhaps it may be a good time to fill the tank and some plastic tanks because it's about to get real.

Tried to rep you CA, but have to spread it around

I hope Pres bush will veto it if the Dems put their usual crap in the bill.

So much for all the promises Dems made in 06 - they have been long forgotten

[Classact]

Tried to rep you CA, but have to spread it around

I hope Pres bush will veto it if the Dems put their usual crap in the bill.

So much for all the promises Dems made in 06 - they have been long forgottenHe should say clean bill or we are out of there and I mean blow up anything that can't run or be dragged... out in three weeks... Iraq and Afghanistan!

[red states rule]

He should say clean bill or we are out of there and I mean blow up anything that can't run or be dragged... out in three weeks... Iraq and Afghanistan!

They have a new aircarft carrier the US Navy will be putting into service

[Classact]

They have a new aircarft carrier the US Navy will be putting into serviceCute!

I'd like to see the look on the Dems face in congress and on the campaign trail if Bush put their feet to the fire. Bush has been a rock steady leader on the war and he will not leave troops there to die for failure. Congress will either back the war or he will say not one more day.

[red states rule]

Cute!

I'd like to see the look on the Dems face in congress and on the campaign trail if Bush put their feet to the fire. Bush has been a rock steady leader on the war and he will not leave troops there to die for failure. Congress will either back the war or he will say not one more day.


However, the Dems have killed the ability of the US government to listen to the phone calls of the terrorists

It is hard to say what the party of surredner and appeasement will do. I can see the arena in Denver filled with white flags flying proudly

[Classact]

However, the Dems have killed the ability of the US government to listen to the phone calls of the terrorists

It is hard to say what the party of surredner and appeasement will do. I can see the arena in Denver filled with white flags flying proudlyIf Bush pulls out because dems won't fund no one but residents will be in Denver unless they walk there.

[red states rule]

If Bush pulls out because dems won't fund no one but residents will be in Denver unless they walk there.

The official symbol of the Dem Convention

[Classact]

The official symbol of the Dem ConventionI'd dare them to fly it if I were Bush... why put it off, if we are not moving forward to victory get the hell out now! Let's see how the dems and the American people like what is left behind.

[red states rule]

I'd dare them to fly it if I were Bush... why put it off, if we are not moving forward to victory get the hell out now! Let's see how the dems and the American people like what is left behind.

Dems have done everything possible to screw the troops. They have tried about 41 times to insert surrender dates in funding bills, they are trying to jack up taxes on the producers, and they continue to smear and insult the troops

Terrorists are endorsing the Dems - how fitting

[Classact]

As is their practice, the republicans will deny the veterans, forget our children and grandchildren, potentially bankrupt the country and blame the democrats while hiding their own cowardices. Well? Deep subject for shallow minds.How about leaving troops in Iraq when you have no plan to win the war? Isn't that rather cowardice? Obama wants to leave them there to die for a later failure a couple years down the road../.

Either fund the fucking wars or get the troops out of the firing range NOW! If a GI Bill is just it will pass on its own merits.

[red states rule]

How about leaving troops in Iraq when you have no plan to win the war? Isn't that rather cowardice? Obama wants to leave them there to die for a later failure a couple years down the road../.

Either fund the fucking wars or get the troops out of the firing range NOW! If a GI Bill is just it will pass on its own merits.

Libs do not give a shit about the troops. They have shown how they "support" the troops through their insults, smears, and calls for surrender

[red states rule]

Here is a great example of Dems "supporting" the troops

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[Classact]

For anyone interested in seeing a good fight the Senate is coming in in two minutes to debate the war funding. Should be some interesting speeches? I'm out of here to watch the fight.

[red states rule]

For anyone interested in seeing a good fight the Senate is coming in in two minutes to debate the war funding. Should be some interesting speeches? I'm out of here to watch the fight.

We will hear "support" fropm the Dems like this

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[Classact]

The congress is planning another vacation in just days! Today the Senate will appoint a couple judges, take party lunches and then talk a little about the GI Bill this afternoon. Tomorrow there is a ceremony that will eat up much of the Senate's day. That leaves Thursday and Friday for the Senate to do "something" since the House can't move legislation. Knowing congress they'll want to leave by close of business next Thursday to stretch their vacation. Whatever the Senate agrees to must then be approved by the House since it started in the Senate so Huston there is a problem.

Speaker Pelosi went to Iraq over last weekend and told the Iraqi government the party is over and America must leave Iraq. (She is up for re-election and likely to lose her seat) Pelosi is holding the Farm Bill until the congress returns from their extended vacation? One must ask why?

This pimple is ready to pop and my money is on president Bush. The Senate and House Democratic leadership demonstrates daily that they are dysfunctional and Bush will be more than happy to point this out in the upcoming days as the Democratic Party glows in their worship for Obama's overwhelming support and coronation. If you think president Bush is in low standing this week, wait until the end of next week and see his popularity increase as the Democratic congress hits rock bottom. A total absence of leadership, a ship without a rudder.

[red states rule]

The congress is planning another vacation in just days! Today the Senate will appoint a couple judges, take party lunches and then talk a little about the GI Bill this afternoon. Tomorrow there is a ceremony that will eat up much of the Senate's day. That leaves Thursday and Friday for the Senate to do "something" since the House can't move legislation. Knowing congress they'll want to leave by close of business next Thursday to stretch their vacation. Whatever the Senate agrees to must then be approved by the House since it started in the Senate so Huston there is a problem.

Speaker Pelosi went to Iraq over last weekend and told the Iraqi government the party is over and America must leave Iraq. (She is up for re-election and likely to lose her seat) Pelosi is holding the Farm Bill until the congress returns from their extended vacation? One must ask why?

This pimple is ready to pop and my money is on president Bush. The Senate and House Democratic leadership demonstrates daily that they are dysfunctional and Bush will be more than happy to point this out in the upcoming days as the Democratic Party glows in their worship for Obama's overwhelming support and coronation. If you think president Bush is in low standing this week, wait until the end of next week and see his popularity increase as the Democratic congress hits rock bottom. A total absence of leadership, a ship without a rudder.

Looks like Dems are going to do what they do best when it comes to national defense and national security - NOTHING

[Classact]

Looks like Dems are going to do what they do best when it comes to national defense and national security - NOTHINGI think Bush will give them a choice to fund it or own it. He will leave Iraq if they dick around.

[red states rule]

I think Bush will give them a choice to fund it or own it. He will leave Iraq if they dick around.

Dems will come up with the funding, or they will be destroyed for screwing the troops

[Classact]

Dems will come up with the funding, or they will be destroyed for screwing the troopsDemocrats will put off war funding until June 15 because one member is sick and another has a family wedding this weekend. Fuck the troops and let the Pentagon change their mission to Department of Peace.

[red states rule]

Democrats will put off war funding until June 15 because one member is sick and another has a family wedding this weekend. Fuck the troops and let the Pentagon change their mission to Department of Peace.

With the progres being made, it will be hard for the party of surrender not to provide the funding

Even the NY Times (ion the front page no less) admits progress is being made

[Classact]

With the progres being made, it will be hard for the party of surrender not to provide the funding

Even the NY Times (ion the front page no less) admits progress is being made
Here is some leadership Democratic style.../ http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0508/Reid_War_supplemental_may_slip_until_after_Memoria l_Day.html

[red states rule]

Here is some leadership Democratic style.../ http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0508/Reid_War_supplemental_may_slip_until_after_Memoria l_Day.html

Here is an example of the ems war record

[hjmick]

Democrats will put off war funding until June 15 because one member is sick and another has a family wedding this weekend. Fuck the troops and let the Pentagon change their mission to Department of Peace.

They're going to spend the time finding ways to better hide the amnest portion of their add-ons.

[red states rule]

They're going to spend the time finding ways to better hide the amnest portion of their add-ons.

I do believe Dems are trying to extend unemployment benefits in the war funding bill

What the hell does that have to do with funding the troops?

[Classact]

I do believe Dems are trying to extend unemployment benefits in the war funding bill

What the hell does that have to do with funding the troops?That is the whole point nothing but war funding has to do with war funding, GI bill has nothing to do with war funding it has to do with political pandering. If all the crap loaded on the war funding is valid it should be valid if sent separately. I'm all for a GI bill that the Republicans have a chance to help craft. The one in front of the congress was a Dem bill and the Rep alternative by McCain was tabled by Sen Reid.

[red states rule]

That is the whole point nothing but war funding has to do with war funding, GI bill has nothing to do with war funding it has to do with political pandering. If all the crap loaded on the war funding is valid it should be valid if sent separately. I'm all for a GI bill that the Republicans have a chance to help craft. The one in front of the congress was a Dem bill and the Rep alternative by McCain was tabled by Sen Reid.

You really don't expect libs to fund the troops without getting something in return do you?

That would be the rigth thing to do. To show they support the troops. They want the US to win in Iraq. They want to defeat the terrorists

Hell, if they did that they would lose their support fromt heir base and money from the Moveon.org and Daily Kook Kos idiots

Libs have their priorites and they are showing what they are. US troops are at the bottom of the list

[Classact]

You really don't expect libs to fund the troops without getting something in return do you?

That would be the rigth thing to do. To show they support the troops. They want the US to win in Iraq. They want to defeat the terrorists

Hell, if they did that they would lose their support fromt heir base and money from the Moveon.org and Daily Kook Kos idiots

Libs have their priorites and they are showing what they are. US troops are at the bottom of the listThe Democratic majority has not delivered since they took the majority, the president doesn't have a checkbook to fund the war, either Democratic supporters of the Democratic majority are either slow or stupid. Where is the leadership, they keep sending war funding money and the war continues to show promise of ending in a positive way.

Here is the test, here and now, will the Democratic majority show leadership and end the funding for the war as the Democrats claim the polls state the majority that supports them demand? It seems if they can add a little KY Jelly around the war check they can hid the fact they are violating the will of the majority and retain support from the slow or stupid supporters? Why don't they simply only introduce funding legislation without KY Jelly clearly stating the war funding is over, all combat and combat support will immediately return to a secure base and function in a force protection mode until they can be returned to the US or safe base outside of Iraq? Do you suppose the Democratic majority is scared of what may happen if they do this? There is no argument other than they want to protect their jobs! The Senate cannot fund the war, the president cannot fund the war, only the House can fund the war and only the house can approve a bill funding the war. That means if the House sends a bill to the senate indicating: Why don't they simply only introduce funding legislation without KY Jelly clearly stating the war funding is over, all combat and combat support will immediately return to a secure base and function in a force protection mode until they can be returned to the US or safe base outside of Iraq? the senate cannot change it to indicate the war will continue without the agreement of the House Democratic leadership. Where is the leadership? All I see, and all anyone who isn't slow or stupid can see is that the Democratic leadership wants to fund the war or they wouldn't make it possible.

With that said, why do you think the majority will continue to support the Democratic majority when they fail at every opportunity to fulfill their purpose they were elected in 06?

Bush will not leave the troops in Iraq with a time table. Bush will demand funds for the military to fight the war. The Democrats will give him the funds to continue the war. Do you know why this is so, this is so because even stupid and slow liberals know that the ME will go into a region wide conflict, oil prices will triple and the Democrats will be blamed for causing it when clearly Iraq would otherwise stabilize.

With supporters that are either slow or stupid in their choice for their new presidential nominee how do you expect the majority to follow? The "chosen one" doesn't have the majority support and will lose and guess what? If a clean war funding bill were presented to the Senate Obama would have to vote yes and Hillary No, he wants to end the war over years in direct contradiction of your stats. With really slow and stupid folks like this, http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30...uthern_Strategy to out the majority in your stats Democrats will just be losers.

[red states rule]

What happened to all the promises the Dems made to get elected in 06?

They said they would work with Republicans

Redue pork

Cut Confresinonal peks

Work a 5 day week

Reduce gas prices

Fix Social Security and Medicare

Yet dumbass libs still vote for these idiots election after election.

[Classact]

Senate funds war with no timelines, Clinton NO Obama ?


Senate Passes War Funding Bill
May 22, 2008 · No Comments
The Senate has passed a war supplemental funding bill, with no timelines or restrictions, by a vote of 70 (Y) to 26 (N). The bill would provide some $165 billion for activities in Iraq and Afghanistan through the remainder of 2008 and part of 2009. As previously reported, additional spending for domestic programs, including a new GI bill, will be added to this supplemental.

The Associated Press has a write-up on the key provisions within the war funding bill which is linked here.

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War Funding Bill | Timeline Withdrawal / Deployment Restrictions
May 22, 2008 · No Comments
The Senate has defeated a version of the war funding bill that would include a timeline for troop withdrawals and other deployment restrictions by a vote of 34 (Y) to 63 (N). The amendment required 60 affirmative votes to pass.

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[red states rule]

Senate funds war with no timelines, Clinton NO Obama ?



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The Moveon.org nuts and Daily Kooks will be pissed about this

But something tells me they will still fork over money to them and vote for them in November

[Classact]

The Moveon.org nuts and Daily Kooks will be pissed about this

But something tells me they will still fork over money to them and vote for them in NovemberWell this vote:"The Senate has passed a war supplemental funding bill, with no timelines or restrictions, by a vote of 70 (Y) to 26 (N)." is very big trouble for the Democrats, the buttholes that were hired in 06 were hired to end the war. (I think my link is wrong and the vote was actually 76 yea and 22 nays.)

Here is the problem, the House can't pass the pork+ along with the money for the war because the House Republicans won't play because the HOuse didn't let them play when they wrote the bill. That leaves the out of Iraq, black caucus and blue dogs to vote to fund the pork+ GI Bill and no strings war funding... they won't vote for it and the REpublicans will only vote present.

The cool thing is that the Senate is on record for no strings war funding at 76 22 record vote today. That means the prez can say the congress went on vacation on "Memorial Day" without funding the troops... The pork+ & GI bill will fall aside as the congress slowly returns from vacation Tuesday a week from now as stalemate continues and a funding bill will be sent to the prez that he requested a year ago. Democrats will look dumb in public once again.