Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway

[semi liberal girl]

Here is an example as to why I am so disapponted with my party. Playing the race card makes us look desperate, and trying to find an excuse as to why some are not voting for our candidate

Right now, some are using the race card to avoid answering the hard questions about Sen Obama's poor judgement and lack of knowledge


Plouffe: McCain has the racist vote anyway


David Plouffe tells Linda Douglass that real racists are probably voting Republican in any case:

"[T]he vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already," he says.

Plouffe also made a four-pronged case for Obama's electability. One, primary-focused, is that Clinton has big problems too.

He also pointed out that Obama's actually been winning white men and younger white voters.

And looking ahead, he pointed to the issues: "They won't agree with John McCain on issues like the economy and health care. And so I think that we are going to get the vast, vast majority of Democratic voters," he said.

Finally, the Obama campaign is counting on its ability to change the electorate -- a powerful argument, if one with real limits.

"If Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, I think turnout amongst African-Americans, turnout amongst all voters under 40, and our ability to register new voters is going to be a very important piece of the puzzle," he said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Plouffe_McCain_has_the_racist_vote_anyway.html

[Gaffer]

He's saying if you don't vote for obama your a racists. Guess what, I'm a racist.

[semi liberal girl]

He's saying if you don't vote for obama your a racists. Guess what, I'm a racist.

I resemble that remark as well

This is only one of many reason why the Democart party is going to lose, and lose big in November

[glockmail]

I resemble that remark as well

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Nice Three Stooges reference. You must be, as we say, "mature". :cheers2:

[Nukeman]

I think that it is funny that no one speaks of the "racist vote" that Obama has already, I mean after all he did recieve 93% of the black vote in PA. Now that my friends is RACIST. they are voting along racial lines ONLY....

[avatar4321]

i can honestly say im very amused by all these recent accusations. Obama cant stand up to scrutiny so suddenly everyone who doesnt support him is racist. it cant have anythign to do with his extreme policies.

[NATO AIR]

Rhetoric aside, hasn't polling in Ohio & PA shown that 8-11% of the white electorate says race matters in their choice?

Now imagine how we'll look as a country if McCain beats Obama by say, 30-40 electoral votes because he wins PA, OH & MO on the backbone of that 8-11% voting for him?

I'm a conservative and that prospect humiliates me. I want us to win on the strengths of our ideas and policies, not on that. That we have a minority of Americans who are still so freaking backward they think race in a leader matters is hogwash. These people and their ignorance pisses on this country and will make us look backwards as a country.

Now that said, there is no excuse for blacks to vote as a monolith for Obama. That too is humiliating, that this is still the case in the African-American community. I can at least excuse their ignorance because they essentially escaped the final vestiges of slavery only 40-45 years or so ago.

Its mildly ironic that Bill Clinton and his surrogates caused race to explode in such a manner in this race. Then again, his style of liberalism was morally bankrupt anyway so its no surprise.

[Trigg]

Rhetoric aside, hasn't polling in Ohio & PA shown that 8-11% of the white electorate says race matters in their choice?

Now imagine how we'll look as a country if McCain beats Obama by say, 30-40 electoral votes because he wins PA, OH & MO on the backbone of that 8-11% voting for him?

I'm a conservative and that prospect humiliates me. I want us to win on the strengths of our ideas and policies, not on that. That we have a minority of Americans who are still so freaking backward they think race in a leader matters is hogwash. These people and their ignorance pisses on this country and will make us look backwards as a country.

Now that said, there is no excuse for blacks to vote as a monolith for Obama. That too is humiliating, that this is still the case in the African-American community. I can at least excuse their ignorance because they essentially escaped the final vestiges of slavery only 40-45 years or so ago.

Its mildly ironic that Bill Clinton and his surrogates caused race to explode in such a manner in this race. Then again, his style of liberalism was morally bankrupt anyway so its no surprise.

8-11% of the people refusing to vote for a black candidate is pretty good IMO, that means race doesn't matter to at least 88% of the population. There are probably 8-11% of men who won't vote for a woman either. Again, no big deal IMO.

There will more than likely always be someone who won't vote for a candidate based on race or sex.

It isn't ignorance that is driving the black population for vote overwhelmingly for Obama. They want a black as President.

[Kathianne]

Rhetoric aside, hasn't polling in Ohio & PA shown that 8-11% of the white electorate says race matters in their choice?

Now imagine how we'll look as a country if McCain beats Obama by say, 30-40 electoral votes because he wins PA, OH & MO on the backbone of that 8-11% voting for him?

I'm a conservative and that prospect humiliates me. I want us to win on the strengths of our ideas and policies, not on that. That we have a minority of Americans who are still so freaking backward they think race in a leader matters is hogwash. These people and their ignorance pisses on this country and will make us look backwards as a country.

Now that said, there is no excuse for blacks to vote as a monolith for Obama. That too is humiliating, that this is still the case in the African-American community. I can at least excuse their ignorance because they essentially escaped the final vestiges of slavery only 40-45 years or so ago.

Its mildly ironic that Bill Clinton and his surrogates caused race to explode in such a manner in this race. Then again, his style of liberalism was morally bankrupt anyway so its no surprise.

Eddie, what is the percentage of blacks voting for Obama? Are we to assume that it's all because of his well thought out positions? Which are?

[NATO AIR]

Eddie, what is the percentage of blacks voting for Obama? Are we to assume that it's all because of his well thought out positions? Which are?

Again, I said it was sad that they are voting largely as a monolith for him.
Though I can actually understand given we're only 40-45 years and 1-2 generations apart from the vestiges of slavery.

Agreed that 88% of the population being open-minded (though I disagree with that b/c most racists are cowards and the number is probably 15-20% because they wouldn't admit their feelings to a pollster) is a great thing. Nevertheless, we may very well wake up on the day after November and find a country more divided than ever before, especially on race. That will be a sad outcome of something that perhaps should never have happened.

I do believe McCain is the one who could help bring the country together at that point. At least I hope he could be.

There's always Bobby Jindal in 2012 after saving LA from itself.... or Mark Sanford in 2012.....

[Pale Rider]

Obama cant stand up to scrutiny so suddenly everyone who doesnt support him is racist.

Well said avatar... it's no more complicated than that.

Blacks are the most racist people in America... you don't think so, listen to one of hussein's preachers sermons, the Goddamn America, KKK of America, whitey invented aids to kill the black man, racist, ranting, frothing at the mouth rev wright. If these shit stains DIDN'T play the race card, I'd be even more surprised.

[Kathianne]

Again, I said it was sad that they are voting largely as a monolith for him.
Though I can actually understand given we're only 40-45 years and 1-2 generations apart from the vestiges of slavery.

Agreed that 88% of the population being open-minded (though I disagree with that b/c most racists are cowards and the number is probably 15-20% because they wouldn't admit their feelings to a pollster) is a great thing. Nevertheless, we may very well wake up on the day after November and find a country more divided than ever before, especially on race. That will be a sad outcome of something that perhaps should never have happened.

I do believe McCain is the one who could help bring the country together at that point. At least I hope he could be.

There's always Bobby Jindal in 2012 after saving LA from itself.... or Mark Sanford in 2012.....With this election, it appears that the white population that votes is less racist than the black population, unless one wants to accredit that Obama is so superior than Clinton or McCain. It's not so.

[avatar4321]

Rhetoric aside, hasn't polling in Ohio & PA shown that 8-11% of the white electorate says race matters in their choice?

Now imagine how we'll look as a country if McCain beats Obama by say, 30-40 electoral votes because he wins PA, OH & MO on the backbone of that 8-11% voting for him?

I'm a conservative and that prospect humiliates me. I want us to win on the strengths of our ideas and policies, not on that. That we have a minority of Americans who are still so freaking backward they think race in a leader matters is hogwash. These people and their ignorance pisses on this country and will make us look backwards as a country.

Now that said, there is no excuse for blacks to vote as a monolith for Obama. That too is humiliating, that this is still the case in the African-American community. I can at least excuse their ignorance because they essentially escaped the final vestiges of slavery only 40-45 years or so ago.

Its mildly ironic that Bill Clinton and his surrogates caused race to explode in such a manner in this race. Then again, his style of liberalism was morally bankrupt anyway so its no surprise.

we are talking about the Democrat primary. if that many people think race matters. than they are Democrats.

[NATO AIR]

we are talking about the Democrat primary. if that many people think race matters. than they are Democrats.

Democrats who will vote McCain in November.

Oh well. Its a fine mess the Democrats have gotten themselves into.

That it will rip this country apart further at a time when we need to at least try to overcome class, race, religious, political and social barriers does not make an enjoyable sight.

We have priorities, and none of these candidates truly understand them or even hint to.

Then again, neither does most of the citizenry so I'm not surprised.

Some want to revisit the 1960's, some long to win intra-culture wars and others just want it to go back to the way it was.

Nope, not gonna happen.

[Nukeman]

Democrats who will vote McCain in November.

Oh well. Its a fine mess the Democrats have gotten themselves into.

That it will rip this country apart further at a time when we need to at least try to overcome class, race, religious, political and social barriers does not make an enjoyable sight.

We have priorities, and none of these candidates truly understand them or even hint to.

Then again, neither does most of the citizenry so I'm not surprised.

Some want to revisit the 1960's, some long to win intra-culture wars and others just want it to go back to the way it was.

Nope, not gonna happen.And some wish the government would do what the constitution says and that is it. Stop the entitlements programs, bring our troops home and have them protect "AMERICAN" soil not some other countries, enforce our immigration laws. In other words protect the people that are law abiding people and throw the garbage out....

[NATO AIR]

And some wish the government would do what the constitution says and that is it. Stop the entitlements programs, bring our troops home and have them protect "AMERICAN" soil not some other countries, enforce our immigration laws. In other words protect the people that are law abiding people and throw the garbage out....

Indeed. There are certainly areas where people of different political preferences can find common ground... the corporate welfare that has been ongoing for decades is part of that, as well as the misuse of the military.

[glockmail]

I think that it is funny that no one speaks of the "racist vote" that Obama has already, I mean after all he did recieve 93% of the black vote in PA. Now that my friends is RACIST. they are voting along racial lines ONLY....

97% among black men.

[semi liberal girl]

97% among black men.

To smoe that is not racism.

It is "underdogs" voting for the other "underdog"

Which is crap. It is black racism - pure and simple

[glockmail]

To smoe that is not racism.

It is "underdogs" voting for the other "underdog"

Which is crap. It is black racism - pure and simple Isn't Hillary the underdog?

[semi liberal girl]

Isn't Hillary the underdog?

In my opinion, they are both dogs

To Pale: RSR is always saying the same thing you are. I know it is a highly debated topic in the fundemental christian community. Of wich I was a member for many years, by the way. I agree that on the christian level it is a holy union and if you want to argue gods word it is an abomination.
Lets also remember that the bible is and was handed down for many generations before it was put on the paper we know today and that many very
old, very ristricted, very frustrated and very zelaus monks interpeted the written word. It was also at a time when the church was trying desperately to gain control over a very seperated and out of control world.
That being said I will move on. Marriage to me is a promise and commitment between to people to take care of each other, to stand behind each other weather under agreement or not, to work and act as a team in all matters
financial and on the home front. Marriage is a promise and commitment to be part of each others familys to become a son, daughter or sister to all . Marriage is becomeing one with another both physicaly and spiritualy ( not the same as under ones faith).
There on the subject of gay marriage I feel that everyone christian or not we have the right to life liberity and the pursuite. Our fore fathers were very wise.
RSR always replys that there is a woman that married a dolphine should that be santioned. My reply is there is always wild and crazy guys out there. Lets stick with the humans not the alians of this world

So if you want, start a new thread so this thread is not derailed

[mundame]

He's saying if you don't vote for obama your a racists. Guess what, I'm a racist.


I resemble that remark as well

This is only one of many reason why the Democart party is going to lose, and lose big in November


See, a lot of people aren't going to put up with that stuff: they are going to do like the posters on this thread and affirm racism, just because we don't like to be told what we "have" to do.

Hillary is the only choice that escapes all the real problems, IMO: Obama's racial issues and socialism, and McCain wanting us to keep going with the war forever.

I just wish she were a Republican............... http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/sad.gif