Blacks and the GOP

[midcan5]

"In the late 1940s President Truman, a Democrat, decided it was time to racially integrate the armed forces, causing outrage among some white Southern Democrats. As if this weren't enough, in 1948 the Democratic Party publicly declared its support for the civil rights movement. That was more than some white Southern Democrats could stomach, so they formed a "states rights" ticket that was appropriately labeled the Dixiecrats.

In the mid 1960s, the Dixicrats switched from the Democratic to the Republican Party to assist Barry Goldwater in his unsuccessful bid for the presidency against Lyndon Johnson. They were, however, pivotal in the Southern strategy that won the White House for Richard M. Nixon in 1968. President Reagan, a Republican, is credited with bringing all factions of the Republican right-wing conservative movement together, steeped in the Dixiecrat states' rights tradition.

During Reagan's administration, the issues and concerns of the Dixiecrats became principally those of the Republican Party. It was precisely at this juncture that the Republican Party ceased being the Party of Lincoln and evolved into what it is today to the vast majority of black America -- almost racially exclusive and dedicated to protecting and maintaining the status quo. In this context, it is difficult to imagine how the average civil rights-sensitive black citizen could blend in to today's Republican Party. "

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/135075_oscareason15.html

[actsnoblemartin]

at some point we have to look forward with race relations instead of playing gotcha points because believe me, i can find examples of racism in all people, of all political parties all over the world

from the beginning of the time, to now, and in the future.


"In the late 1940s President Truman, a Democrat, decided it was time to racially integrate the armed forces, causing outrage among some white Southern Democrats. As if this weren't enough, in 1948 the Democratic Party publicly declared its support for the civil rights movement. That was more than some white Southern Democrats could stomach, so they formed a "states rights" ticket that was appropriately labeled the Dixiecrats.

In the mid 1960s, the Dixicrats switched from the Democratic to the Republican Party to assist Barry Goldwater in his unsuccessful bid for the presidency against Lyndon Johnson. They were, however, pivotal in the Southern strategy that won the White House for Richard M. Nixon in 1968. President Reagan, a Republican, is credited with bringing all factions of the Republican right-wing conservative movement together, steeped in the Dixiecrat states' rights tradition.

During Reagan's administration, the issues and concerns of the Dixiecrats became principally those of the Republican Party. It was precisely at this juncture that the Republican Party ceased being the Party of Lincoln and evolved into what it is today to the vast majority of black America -- almost racially exclusive and dedicated to protecting and maintaining the status quo. In this context, it is difficult to imagine how the average civil rights-sensitive black citizen could blend in to today's Republican Party. "

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/135075_oscareason15.html

[stephanie]

You know that old saying..

Repeat a lie enough times..:poke:

[actsnoblemartin]

as if when blacks were being lynched men and women said, no wait I cant lynch that N*^#$%, im a democrat :coffee:


You know that old saying..

Repeat a lie enough times..:poke:

[Mr. P]

Oscar Eason Jr. of Seattle is former national president of Blacks In Government and former president of the Seattle branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

We need less race baiter's writing opinion pieces.

[retiredman]

You know that old saying..

Repeat a lie enough times..:poke:


is it a lie that blacks in America now vote overwhelmingly for democrats, despite what segregation era democrats once did against them and despite what Lincoln era republicans once did for them? Why do you think that is?

[stephanie]

is it a lie that blacks in America now vote overwhelmingly for democrats, despite what segregation era democrats once did against them and despite what Lincoln era republicans once did for them? Why do you think that is?

No..they do overwhelmingly vote Democrat, that's a fact..

The wonder is...........Why?

Maybe after this election they will finally see........THE LIE..

[retiredman]

No..they do overwhelmingly vote Democrat, that's a fact..

The wonder is...........Why?

Maybe after this election they will finally see........THE LIE..

I think they have clearly seen the aims of the republican's southern strategy for more than 40 years.

[Kathianne]

Bottom line Democrats in 60's and 70's were the segregationists, not the GOP. If not for the Republicans, Johnson would not have had a 'War on Poverty.'

There was a realignment after Bobby and Martin were assassinated, sending more bigots to the GOP, not that that was wanted. Goldwater added to that perception, inadvertently. Truth is, the GOP has nearly zip history of prejudice along racial lines. As TM would say, 'that's the fact.'

[retiredman]

Bottom line Democrats in 60's and 70's were the segregationists, not the GOP. If not for the Republicans, Johnson would not have had a 'War on Poverty.'

There was a realignment after Bobby and Martin were assassinated, sending more bigots to the GOP, not that that was wanted. Goldwater added to that perception, inadvertently. Truth is, the GOP has nearly zip history of prejudice along racial lines. As TM would say, 'that's the fact.'


actually, the realignment of the democrats from the party of Jim Crow to the party that embraced and welcomed blacks started back in 1948. The republican's southern strategy was -and is - a reality and blacks know it.

[Kathianne]

actually, the realignment of the democrats from the party of Jim Crow to the party that embraced and welcomed blacks started back in 1948. The republican's southern strategy was -and is - a reality and blacks know it.

That is not true. Not a fact, as the board guru would say. Even today, one will find no openings for bigots in GOP, yet lots of exceptions within DNC. For instance, the slime of Wright is acceptable.

[retiredman]

That is not true. Not a fact, as the board guru would say. Even today, one will find no openings for bigots in GOP, yet lots of exceptions within DNC. For instance, the slime of Wright is acceptable.

keep telling yourself that...and then keep scratching your head as year after year, african americans vote with the democrats and shun your party.

and then continue to tell african americans how collectively stupid they are for not seeing what a wonderful inclusive party the GOP really is....that has worked really well thus far!

[Kathianne]

keep telling yourself that...and then keep scratching your head as year after year, african americans vote with the democrats and shun your party.

and then continue to tell african americans how collectively stupid they are for not seeing what a wonderful inclusive party the GOP really is....that has worked really well thus far!

I don't scratch and I understand why the Blacks vote the way they do. On the other hand, you should be scratching regarding the numbers between the two leading candidates of your party. Those percentages mean YOU have a problem, should blacks decide to form a third party.

[manu1959]

actually, the realignment of the democrats from the party of Jim Crow to the party that embraced and welcomed blacks started back in 1948. The republican's southern strategy was -and is - a reality and blacks know it.

interesting....since 1948 have the dems improved the quality of life for the black folk.....and if so how.....

[retiredman]

I don't scratch and I understand why the Blacks vote the way they do. On the other hand, you should be scratching regarding the numbers between the two leading candidates of your party. Those percentages mean YOU have a problem, should blacks decide to form a third party.

I think that african americans are smart folks. They can do the math and they know what percentage they are of the population. They know that they will support the democrats or they will lose their seat at the table. I don't think we'll have much problem capturing the lion's share of the black vote in November regardless of who our candidate it.... there is no doubt, however, that if it is Obama, the TURNOUT of blacks will be markedly higher for obvious reasons.

[retiredman]

interesting....since 1948 have the dems improved the quality of life for the black folk.....and if so how.....interestingly enough, blacks can readily imagine how much WORSE off they would be today if republicans had called the shots the majority of the time since 1948.

[Kathianne]

I think that african americans are smart folks. They can do the math and they know what percentage they are of the population. They know that they will support the democrats or they will lose their seat at the table. I don't think we'll have much problem capturing the lion's share of the black vote in November regardless of who our candidate it.... there is no doubt, however, that if it is Obama, the TURNOUT of blacks will be markedly higher for obvious reasons.

LOL! Just like the party, threaten the 'ijits.' Damn your hubris knows no bounds, (not personally, as a party.)

On the other hand, what the democrat leaders are proposing:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042402917.html


Who'll Cover the Checks?
The Democratic candidates' tax and spending plans are costly and ambitious -- and probably short on fiscal realism.

Friday, April 25, 2008; A22

THE DEMOCRATIC presidential candidates have some big plans -- with big price tags attached. By our calculations, using figures supplied by the campaigns, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) has proposed new spending and tax breaks that would amount to almost $265 billion a year when fully implemented, while the initiatives proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) total nearly $333 billion. Those initiatives, which would be phased in over time and which the candidates say they have identified ways of funding, don't include billions of dollars more in one-time spending.

In addition, both candidates would extend the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 a year, at an annual cost of another $140 billion in 2012, and renew the research tax credit ($9 billion). And both say they would take steps to prevent the alternative minimum tax from sweeping in additional taxpayers, adding $50 billion or so to the annual price tag. So the deficit -- even before any new spending -- would be that much deeper than it would have been if the tax cuts were permitted to expire.

These numbers, moreover, don't include some initiatives that the candidates talk about but for which they haven't formulated specific policies. For instance, Mr. Obama's campaign Web site says he supports closing the "doughnut hole" in the Medicare prescription drug plan, while Ms. Clinton has promised on the campaign trail to "fix" the hole. That could cost as much as $40 billion annually. Meanwhile, both Democrats put themselves into a new straitjacket at the last debate by promising that they would never raise taxes on the middle class -- which they went on to define generously as those earning less than $200,000 or $250,000 a year.

Altogether, then, they are talking about additional costs to the tune of a half-trillion dollars per year, more (Obama) or less (Clinton). The total federal budget this year is about $2.9 trillion.

Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton don't pretend to offset the cost of extending the tax cuts or fixing the alternative minimum tax, but then, the presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), would do the same and more without paying for it. As to the new spending, both candidates say they have identified "pay-fors" that would more than cover the cost of the new initiatives. But will these savings materialize? Some of those savings, for example, from undoing part of the Bush tax cuts, can be measured with certainty; others, such as wringing tens of billions of dollars in costs out of the health-care system, are gauzy and speculative; still others -- doing away with corporate subsidies, say -- would be politically tough to achieve.

Are the candidates understating expected costs? The Obama campaign claims that the Clinton health-care plan would cost $30 billion more than she acknowledges, while the Clinton campaign claims that the Obama campaign is aggressively overestimating its expected health-care savings by about the same amount. The argument simply underscores the uncertainty on both the spending and savings sides of both candidates' grand plans.

Frugal wouldn't be a word we would use to describe either candidate. Mr. Obama, whose program would cost more primarily because of his large tax cut, relies more than Ms. Clinton does on expected savings from winding down the war in Iraq and on significant revenue from auctioning permits for a cap-and-trade system to curb carbon emissions in order to get to theoretical balance. Ms. Clinton has also been clearer about specifying costs and precise sources of funding.

While both Democratic candidates would spend far more on new programs than Mr. McCain would, the Republican's proposals for new tax cuts dwarf the Democrats' plans. The Democrats are clearer than Mr. McCain -- though that's a relative term -- about how they would foot the bill. Still, no one's winning any awards this campaign season for fiscal responsibility.

[manu1959]

interestingly enough, blacks can readily imagine how much WORSE off they would be today if republicans had called the shots the majority of the time since 1948.

interesting....since 1948 how have the dems improved the quality of life for the black folk .....

[retiredman]

interesting....since 1948 how have the dems improved the quality of life for the black folk .....

who claimed they had?

I suggested that perhaps blacks know that had the republicans been in control their lives would be much worse today than they are.

Honestly. If republicans were the driving force behind civil rights in America, it makes one wonder why they didn't press forward civil rights legislation when they HAD both houses of of congress AND the White House during Ike's first term.

[Yurt]

interestingly enough, blacks can readily imagine how much WORSE off they would be today if republicans had called the shots the majority of the time since 1948.

proof? without republicans the bill of rights would never have passed, and republicans were largely responsible for it. the dems have crafted a very good fairly tale and fed it lock, stock and barrel to peopel that they are the party that supports minorities, especially blacks.

[Yurt]

civil rights

By party
The original House version:

Democratic Party: 164-96 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 186-35 (84%-16%)

[jimnyc]

is it a lie that blacks in America now vote overwhelmingly for democrats, despite what segregation era democrats once did against them and despite what Lincoln era republicans once did for them? Why do you think that is?

Because they enjoy sitting at home while siphoning off of the free handouts that the Dems love to give them? Having their welfare and other freebies cut out and being asked to *gulp* actually work scares many of them.

[manu1959]

who claimed they had?

I suggested that perhaps blacks know that had the republicans been in control their lives would be much worse today than they are.

Honestly. If republicans were the driving force behind civil rights in America, it makes one wonder why they didn't press forward civil rights legislation when they HAD both houses of of congress AND the White House during Ike's first term.

interesting....since 1948 how have the dems improved the quality of life for the black folk .....

[retiredman]

interesting....since 1948 how have the dems improved the quality of life for the black folk .....


I think that it is pretty clear that black americans are better off today - have made inroads in wage disparity, have increased their standing in the middle class... and most of that success has come as a result of democratic programs. But again....why do you ignore my points?

[Yurt]

Because they enjoy sitting at home while siphoning off of the free handouts that the Dems love to give them? Having their welfare and other freebies cut out and being asked to *gulp* actually work scares many of them.

not only blacks, but others as well

[retiredman]

proof? without republicans the bill of rights would never have passed, and republicans were largely responsible for it. the dems have crafted a very good fairly tale and fed it lock, stock and barrel to peopel that they are the party that supports minorities, especially blacks.

who taught you civics, pal? Didn't you learn in law school that the bill of rights was passed a half a century before the republican party even fielded its first presidential candidate?

but again...I think that is a winning strategy for republicans. Tell blacks that either they are too stupid to figure out how great life would be for them if they switched their allegiance to the republicans, or tell them that they are too shiftless and lazy to get off the dole and that is why they vote for democrats. Use that this year and let me know how it works for y'all.

[retiredman]

Because they enjoy sitting at home while siphoning off of the free handouts that the Dems love to give them? Having their welfare and other freebies cut out and being asked to *gulp* actually work scares many of them.
cuz the vast majority of them shiftless, lazy blacks are on welfare, ain't they jimmy?

[manu1959]

I think that it is pretty clear that black americans are better off today - have made inroads in wage disparity, have increased their standing in the middle class... and most of that success has come as a result of democratic programs. But again....why do you ignore my points?

first off you made no claims till this post other than they would have been worse off if they had followed the gop......never the less in 60 years the dems have helped them make "inroads in wage disparity, have increased their standing in the middle class".......and most of that success has come as a result of democratic programs......which programs ......

[Yurt]

who taught you civics, pal? Didn't you learn in law school that the bill of rights was passed a half a century before the republican party even fielded its first presidential candidate?

but again...I think that is a winning strategy for republicans. Tell blacks that either they are too stupid to figure out how great life would be for them if they switched their allegiance to the republicans, or tell them that they are too shiftless and lazy to get off the dole and that is why they vote for democrats. Use that this year and let me know how it works for y'all.

warning or not, no one should have to take your personal insults "preacher". your pathetic failures at addressing the issues due to your obsession with insults is dishonest "preacher"

i was talking about the civil rights act, and mispoke when i said bill of rights, but you knew that, and still had to get a personal insult in. :fu:

[manu1959]

who taught you civics, pal? Didn't you learn in law school that the bill of rights was passed a half a century before the republican party even fielded its first presidential candidate?

but again...I think that is a winning strategy for republicans. Tell blacks that either they are too stupid to figure out how great life would be for them if they switched their allegiance to the republicans, or tell them that they are too shiftless and lazy to get off the dole and that is why they vote for democrats. Use that this year and let me know how it works for y'all.

but you african americans know better....it is the white man keeping ya down....it isn't your fault that in three generations of dem leadership you haven't gotten of the dole.....vote dem and we will keep these successful programs comming......

[jimnyc]

cuz the vast majority of them shiftless, lazy blacks are on welfare, ain't they jimmy?

Shall we compare the percentages of blacks on welfare compared to the whites? Why would there be such a huge discrepancy? If they would stop acting like the world owes them something and actually TRY to improve themselves, they wouldn't have to vote for the folks that keep promising them freebies.

[jimnyc]

Tell blacks that either they are too stupid to figure out how great life would be for them if they switched their allegiance to the republicans

They won't listen to reason as long as they have dumbasses feeding them charity like it's candy.

[retiredman]

They won't listen to reason as long as they have dumbasses feeding them charity like it's candy.

yeah... again, please use that as your party's approach to black americans:

"you all won't listen to reason because you are too shiftless and lazy because the majority of you are on welfare."

let me know how it works for ya.

[retiredman]

Shall we compare the percentages of blacks on welfare compared to the whites? Why would there be such a huge discrepancy? If they would stop acting like the world owes them something and actually TRY to improve themselves, they wouldn't have to vote for the folks that keep promising them freebies.

what percentage of black voters are on welfare, do you think?

[jimnyc]

yeah... again, please use that as your party's approach to black americans:

"you all won't listen to reason because you are too shiftless and lazy because the majority of you are on welfare."

let me know how it works for ya.

If forcing reality upon them, that they might actually have to work for a living and get less handouts, then I guess they should continue voting for the party that props them up. I'd rather lose their vote than pander and get their vote by buying them.


what percentage of black voters are on welfare, do you think?

Whites get 38% of welfare while 37% of welfare goes to blacks. What percentage of blacks make up the nation? 12%? Very similar to the crime statistics! LOL

[retiredman]

If forcing reality upon them, that they might actually have to work for a living and get less handouts, then I guess they should continue voting for the party that props them up. I'd rather lose their vote than pander and get their vote by buying them.



Whites get 38% of welfare while 37% of welfare goes to blacks. What percentage of blacks make up the nation? 12%? Very similar to the crime statistics! LOL

you didn't answer my question: what percentage of the black population do you think is on welfare and thus, being "bought" by democratic welfare programs?

[jimnyc]

you didn't answer my question: what percentage of the black population do you think is on welfare and thus, being "bought" by democratic welfare programs?

What percentage are fully capable of working and yet sit home instead?

[retiredman]

What percentage are fully capable of working and yet sit home instead?

don't answer a question with a question. what percentage of african american citizens are on welfare?

[manu1959]

don't answer a question with a question. what percentage of african american citizens are on welfare?

all the ones that vote dem......or 37% of the 14 mill on the dole or 5.1 mill...of the 38 million in the country....or 13% of the black population is on the dole.....

care to bet if it has gone up since 1948....

[retiredman]

all the ones that vote dem......or 37% of the 14 mill on the dole or 5.1 mill...of the 38 million in the country....or 13% of the black population is on the dole.....

care to bet if it has gone up since 1948....


13% of the black population is on the dole...so that explains why nearly 90% of blacks vote democratic?

:laugh2:

[manu1959]

13% of the black population is on the dole...so that explains why nearly 90% of blacks vote democratic?

:laugh2:

90% of blacks vote..... not possible that 90% of the 14 million blacks in america vote......unless you all cheat.....

[retiredman]

90% of blacks vote..... not possible that 90% of the 14 million blacks in america vote......unless you all cheat.....

nearly 90% of blacks that vote, vote democratic.

[manu1959]

nearly 90% of blacks that vote, vote democratic.

strange......they have been votin for you guys since 48 and have nothing to show for it.....

[retiredman]

strange......they have been votin for you guys since 48 and have nothing to show for it.....


I think you should tell them that they are all stupid dumb lazy niggers who vote for democrats because their are not smart enough to know better. Let me know how that advertising campaign works.

[stephanie]

I think you should tell them that they are all stupid dumb lazy niggers who vote for democrats because their are not smart enough to know better. Let me know how that advertising campaign works.

that's your alls job.
repeating a lie enough times..

[manu1959]

I think you should tell them that they are all stupid dumb lazy niggers who vote for democrats because their are not smart enough to know better. Let me know how that advertising campaign works.

nah.....you all have been tellin them that for 60 years and it is working just fine for ya.......

you sure do speak purdy for a preacher......

[Yurt]

I think you should tell them that they are all stupid dumb lazy niggers who vote for democrats because their are not smart enough to know better. Let me know how that advertising campaign works.

its appears to work for your party

[Kathianne]

I think that it is pretty clear that black americans are better off today - have made inroads in wage disparity, have increased their standing in the middle class... and most of that success has come as a result of democratic programs. But again....why do you ignore my points?

Agreed. You are crediting the Democrats for that?

[jimnyc]

don't answer a question with a question. what percentage of african american citizens are on welfare?

Don't feel like looking up the specifics. I know for a fact that there is a HUGE disparity though. How can such a small number of the population make up the majority of the welfare recipients? The same applies to crime, how can such a small percentage of the population commit such a high percentage of crimes? How can such a small percentage of the population make up so much of the prison community?

You can make your little racist comments towards me all you like, or you can face the facts and reality.

Try to survive off of welfare and you'll resort to committing crimes. Commit crimes and you'll end up in prison. Yep, the Dems have been loading our prisons since 1948!! :laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

If mfm is touting blacks as a demo success story.... :laugh:...... :lmao:

The libs pander to the blacks. The libs are the party of hand outs, freebies and quotas. Everybody knows that. It's no big secret. That's why blacks vote dem. Plain as the pimple on mfm's face.

[avatar4321]

I think that it is pretty clear that black americans are better off today - have made inroads in wage disparity, have increased their standing in the middle class... and most of that success has come as a result of democratic programs. But again....why do you ignore my points?

name one program thats helped

[Yurt]

If mfm is touting blacks as a demo success story.... :laugh:...... :lmao:

The libs pander to the blacks. The libs are the party of hand outs, freebies and quotas. Everybody knows that. It's no big secret. That's why blacks vote dem. Plain as the pimple on mfm's face.

not all blacks vote dem...

[retiredman]

Don't feel like looking up the specifics. I know for a fact that there is a HUGE disparity though. How can such a small number of the population make up the majority of the welfare recipients? The same applies to crime, how can such a small percentage of the population commit such a high percentage of crimes? How can such a small percentage of the population make up so much of the prison community?

You can make your little racist comments towards me all you like, or you can face the facts and reality.

Try to survive off of welfare and you'll resort to committing crimes. Commit crimes and you'll end up in prison. Yep, the Dems have been loading our prisons since 1948!! :laugh2:
so...you have no idea how many black americans are actually on welfare....so you really have no way of proving that welfare recipients constitute some significant portion of the blacks who vote democratic?

I didn't think so.

[jimnyc]

so...you have no idea how many black americans are actually on welfare....so you really have no way of proving that welfare recipients constitute some significant portion of the blacks who vote democratic?

I didn't think so.

That's the problem, you don't think!

38% of all welfare recipients are black. That is an astounding number consider they only make up 12% of the nation. Look up how many total recipients there are and you'll have your exact figures. No matter how you slice it, it's a significant portion of the black community. It was you that already told us that the overwhelming majority of blacks vote Democrat. So, the facts are - Those who hold the majority in receiving welfare are also voting Democrat.

[retiredman]

That's the problem, you don't think!

38% of all welfare recipients are black. That is an astounding number consider they only make up 12% of the nation. Look up how many total recipients there are and you'll have your exact figures. No matter how you slice it, it's a significant portion of the black community. It was you that already told us that the overwhelming majority of blacks vote Democrat. So, the facts are - Those who hold the majority in receiving welfare are also voting Democrat.

you still can't quite bring yourself to answer my question.

Can you show that welfare accounts for a significant percentage of the blacks who vote democratic? (of course you can't) And if you can't..what do you think DOES account for their overwhelming support of my party?

[jimnyc]

you still can't quite bring yourself to answer my question.

Can you show that welfare accounts for a significant percentage of the blacks who vote democratic? (of course you can't) And if you can't..what do you think DOES account for their overwhelming support of my party?

I already told you - free handouts. Welfare was just one example. Your entire party is full of pandering idiots that would rather prop up those who need assistance with handouts rather than actually fix the problem. "Your" party is a bunch of fucking idiots!

You'll defend those who leech off the government just as quickly as you defend the racist scumbag who is running for president and his pastor who belongs to a church full of more fucking idiots.

[retiredman]

I already told you - free handouts. Welfare was just one example. Your entire party is full of pandering idiots that would rather prop up those who need assistance with handouts rather than actually fix the problem. "Your" party is a bunch of fucking idiots!

You'll defend those who leech off the government just as quickly as you defend the racist scumbag who is running for president and his pastor who belongs to a church full of more fucking idiots.

I guess we're all through, then.

I know better than to get into a pissing contest with the skunk who runs the board.

[jimnyc]

I guess we're all through, then.

I know better than to get into a pissing contest with the skunk who runs the board.

Now you want to get personal with me too? You a little angry because the entire board is seeing what a piece of shit fraud and liar you truly are? You claim to be a preacher, then come on here and talk about people's mothers and incest, and other degrading comments that nobody in the pulpit would ever speak. You claim to be ex military, and yet you act like a little bitch on here who wouldn't be picked for 3rd grade kickball let alone serve in uniform.

You are a true piece of garbage. Whenever you don't get the answers you want to hear you turn into a complete loser. Or should I say, start showing your true colors.

[retiredman]

Now you want to get personal with me too? You a little angry because the entire board is seeing what a piece of shit fraud and liar you truly are? You claim to be a preacher, then come on here and talk about people's mothers and incest, and other degrading comments that nobody in the pulpit would ever speak. You claim to be ex military, and yet you act like a little bitch on here who wouldn't be picked for 3rd grade kickball let alone serve in uniform.

You are a true piece of garbage. Whenever you don't get the answers you want to hear you turn into a complete loser. Or should I say, start showing your true colors.


I don't want to get personal with you are all, Jim. the idiomatic expression, "don't get into a pissing contest with a skunk" is meant to suggest that getting into an argument with you, when you make the rules here, would be sort of stupid. I am not going to do that.

And I am not going to try to singlehandedly defend myself on a board that is predominately conservative. I know that I did not cast the first insult in any of these recent altercations. I have counterpunched, no doubt, but I did not land the first insult. I will not sit idly by while anyone disparages my deceased father... I will come back at the person who insulted my parents by saying something similar. I expected to see the board give the folks who insult me a free pass and attack me...I guess I just never expected that you would join in.

[Abbey Marie]

Often, it's not a question of who threw the first punch, but who threw the worst punch.

[retiredman]

Often, it's not a question of who threw the first punch, but who threw the worst punch.


mea culpa

often, it is somewhat hypocritical for everyone to pile on the one who the group feels threw the worst punch and completely ignore the one who threw the first punch, especially when the first puncher just happens to share the political philosophy of the vast majority of the group.

Like I said...it is a tad hypocritical for this board to be all over me and completely ignore someone who called my dead father a drunk and me a homo.

But it is hypoocrisy that certainly did not take me by surprise.

[Kathianne]

mea culpa

often, it is somewhat hypocritical for everyone to pile on the one who the group feels threw the worst punch and completely ignore the one who threw the first punch, especially when the first puncher just happens to share the political philosophy of the vast majority of the group.

Like I said...it is a tad hypocritical for this board to be all over me and completely ignore someone who called my dead father a drunk and me a homo.

But it is hypoocrisy that certainly did not take me by surprise.

So you are a victim? Not a leader? You must respond to every insult, rather than reporting a problem to the powers that are here?

[retiredman]

So you are a victim? Not a leader? You must respond to every insult, rather than reporting a problem to the powers that are here?


I am not a victim...but I certainly don't feel as if I am in any "leadership" position as one of the few token liberals on a predominantly conservative message board.


and when THE leader of the board ignores the insults of his fellow conservatives and decides to publicly and exclusively denigrate my integrity, I certainly do not feel compelled to attempt to "lead" anyone here...or expect that I would be successful in doing so even if I were so compelled.

[Mr. P]

mea culpa

often, it is somewhat hypocritical for everyone to pile on the one who the group feels threw the worst punch and completely ignore the one who threw the first punch, especially when the first puncher just happens to share the political philosophy of the vast majority of the group.

Like I said...it is a tad hypocritical for this board to be all over me and completely ignore someone who called my dead father a drunk and me a homo.

But it is hypoocrisy that certainly did not take me by surprise.

Well, it is a bit better than in the past, but I'm with you. I am sick of seeing "the gang" team tag folks.

PS..I haven't read the thread, but then I don't need to.

[Abbey Marie]

Well, it is a bit better than in the past, but I'm with you. I am sick of seeing "the gang" team tag folks.

PS..I haven't read the thread, but then I don't need to.


Uh huh.

[Mr. P]

Uh huh.

Don't need to, Abby, I know it's true. Your post there says volumes. Don't ya think?

[Abbey Marie]

Don't need to, Abby, I know it's true. Your post there says volumes. Don't ya think?

If you say so, Mr. P. I'm not going to discuss private conversations, so I'll leave it at that.

[Mr. P]

If you say so, Mr. P. I'm not going to discuss private conversations, so I'll leave it at that.

That's fine..I never mentioned anything "private". But still that's fine. We ALL know the gang is alive and well.

[Abbey Marie]

That's fine..I never mentioned anything "private". But still that's fine. We ALL know the gang is alive and well.

Not sure who you feel the "gang" is. PM Jim/Admin/mods if you feel there is a problem.

[Mr. P]

Not sure who you feel the "gang" is. PM Jim/Admin/mods if you feel there is a problem.

:laugh2: Please!

[Pale Rider]

I am not a victim...but I certainly don't feel as if I am in any "leadership" position as one of the few token liberals on a predominantly conservative message board.

and when THE leader of the board ignores the insults of his fellow conservatives and decides to publicly and exclusively denigrate my integrity, I certainly do not feel compelled to attempt to "lead" anyone here...or expect that I would be successful in doing so even if I were so compelled.

And here's a flash from the past... the last time you were skating on thin ice, you got all ultra sugary nicey, nicey then too. We heard all the "sirs," and "no cussing," and oh weren't you nice, long enough to get your ass out of the sling. Then it was right back to business as usual, with a rotten, filthy mouth that would make some of my Vagos brothers cringe. And you haven't left anybody out. You've shot your crap and vile language at just about every person on the board at one point or another, whether they asked for it or not. You really lost your cool when your little lop eared, racist, call me bitter white boy, nigger boy started slipping in the polls. YOU COULDN'T EVEN STAND TO HEAR ANYBODY COMMENT ABOUT IT! So don't give us the you're all squeaky clean and innocent act jerk off... because we all know you're NOT! The reason "everybody" is on your case is because YOU ASKED FOR IT mother fucker. We have other liberals here, JD, LN, even this midcan whack job, but none of them are even close to being in the same category of ASSHOLE with you. You've earned where you're at here. Don't pretend you haven't. You've got a mouth and an attitude a toilet wouldn't flush down, and now you're paying the price for it.

[Pale Rider]

That's fine..I never mentioned anything "private". But still that's fine. We ALL know the gang is alive and well.

"The gang" aye.... weird Mr. P, if there was such a thing here, I would have considered you part of it.

[retiredman]

And here's a flash from the past... the last time you were skating on thin ice, you got all ultra sugary nicey, nicey then too. We heard all the "sirs," and "no cussing," and oh weren't you nice, long enough to get your ass out of the sling. Then it was right back to business as usual, with a rotten, filthy mouth that would make some of my Vagos brothers cringe. And you haven't left anybody out. You've shot your crap and vile language at just about every person on the board at one point or another, whether they asked for it or not. You really lost your cool when your little lop eared, racist, call me bitter white boy, nigger boy started slipping in the polls. YOU COULDN'T EVEN STAND TO HEAR ANYBODY COMMENT ABOUT IT! So don't give us the you're all squeaky clean and innocent act jerk off... because we all know you're NOT! The reason "everybody" is on your case is because YOU ASKED FOR IT mother fucker. We have other liberals here, JD, LN, even this midcan whack job, but none of them are even close to being in the same category of ASSHOLE with you. You've earned where you're at here. Don't pretend you haven't.

I disagree with your accounting of the events, but I do not for a moment deny that I am a lightning rod for conservatives on here. I don't come here to be nice. I come here to talk issues. I have no problem with people commenting about the campaign of Obama. I realize that I am not the only liberal here, but we are clearly in the minority... I only point out that it is somewhat unreasonable for kathianne to expect me to lead anyone on here.... certainly not bigots like you. Here's a tip: you wanna insult my dead father and call me a homo, expect me to insult your mother in return. I won't roll over and be the nice little token liberal for anyone.

[actsnoblemartin]

who called youre dead father a drunk and you a homo

thats fucked up! :death:


mea culpa

often, it is somewhat hypocritical for everyone to pile on the one who the group feels threw the worst punch and completely ignore the one who threw the first punch, especially when the first puncher just happens to share the political philosophy of the vast majority of the group.

Like I said...it is a tad hypocritical for this board to be all over me and completely ignore someone who called my dead father a drunk and me a homo.

But it is hypoocrisy that certainly did not take me by surprise.

[Abbey Marie]

"The gang" aye.... weird Mr. P, if there was such a thing here, I would have considered you part of it.

Maybe Mr. P, like Grouch Marx, wouldn't belong to any club that would have him as a member. :laugh:

[actsnoblemartin]

at times, yes i see you getting ganged up on, you are not the only one i have seen this happen too.


mea culpa

often, it is somewhat hypocritical for everyone to pile on the one who the group feels threw the worst punch and completely ignore the one who threw the first punch, especially when the first puncher just happens to share the political philosophy of the vast majority of the group.

Like I said...it is a tad hypocritical for this board to be all over me and completely ignore someone who called my dead father a drunk and me a homo.

But it is hypoocrisy that certainly did not take me by surprise.

[Pale Rider]

I disagree with your accounting of the events, but I do not for a moment deny that I am a lightning rod for conservatives on here. I don't come here to be nice. I come here to talk issues. I have no problem with people commenting about the campaign of Obama. I realize that I am not the only liberal here, but we are clearly in the minority... I only point out that it is somewhat unreasonable for kathianne to expect me to lead anyone on here.... certainly not bigots like you. Here's a tip: you wanna insult my dead father and call me a homo, expect me to insult your mother in return. I won't roll over and be the nice little token liberal for anyone.

It doesn't and hasn't taken calling your father names or you a homo to bring out your trashy side. You've been all too willing to put it on display just because people disagreed with you. And you had a complete FIT because people were commenting about your blessed one hussein and the your process for nomination. Sorry... you WON'T lie your way out of this one.

[retiredman]

It doesn't and hasn't taken calling your father names or you a homo to bring out your trashy side. You've been all too willing to put it on display just because people disagreed with you. And you had a complete FIT because people were commenting about your blessed one hussein and the your process for nomination. Sorry... you WON'T lie your way out of this one.

a fit???

I have been laughing at all the republicans on here who feel compelled to complain about the method that the democrats use to pick a nominee. It remains funny to me because it clearly is none of their business. We could pick a nominee by drawing straws, and if that is how our party chose to do it, the general public could weigh in on that process only at the general election, by voting for the republican.

As I have said many times before...Obama was not my first choice or my second. When I got the chance to vote in my caucus, there were only two candidates, and while I think either will be a great president, I picked Obama for a variety of reasons. He is hardly my "blessed one". But again...if you don't like the way democrats pick their nominee, join the party and work to change it.... the only other option you have is to vote against our nominee in november.

oh...and I don't lie, greasemonkey.

[Mr. P]

"The gang" aye.... weird Mr. P, if there was such a thing here, I would have considered you part of it.

Don't...that would be a mistake.

[Mr. P]

Maybe Mr. P, like Grouch Marx, wouldn't belong to any club that would have him as a member. :laugh:

Or, I call a spade a spade.

[Pale Rider]

oh...and I don't lie, greasemonkey.
Yeah... ya do... maggot.


Don't...that would be a mistake.
Sorry... I mistook us as friends.

[jimnyc]

I don't want to get personal with you are all, Jim. the idiomatic expression, "don't get into a pissing contest with a skunk" is meant to suggest that getting into an argument with you, when you make the rules here, would be sort of stupid. I am not going to do that.

I've never taken action against you when I hopped into the fray and traded jabs with you, and I'm not about to start now. In fact, I've been extremely lenient against everyone but spammers for quite some time now.


And I am not going to try to singlehandedly defend myself on a board that is predominately conservative. I know that I did not cast the first insult in any of these recent altercations. I have counterpunched, no doubt, but I did not land the first insult. I will not sit idly by while anyone disparages my deceased father... I will come back at the person who insulted my parents by saying something similar. I expected to see the board give the folks who insult me a free pass and attack me...I guess I just never expected that you would join in.

I have no idea who started it between you and Glock, nor do I care. Everyone involved when the personal insults got too out of hand apparently received a polite warning from MtnBiker. I took no sides and remained out of it - until it appeared you took a swipe at me. I then threw your comments in your face, as it appears to be a pattern as of late for you when you get angry with someone. Had Glock threw a personal jab at me because of my views, he would have heard similar comments - but he didn't.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe some people are piling on against you because these are the very people you have made these vile comments to in other threads? While it may not make it right, you certainly can't expect people to forget what you said to them and speak out against others when they throw jabs at you.

[Yurt]

I disagree with your accounting of the events, but I do not for a moment deny that I am a lightning rod for conservatives on here. I don't come here to be nice. I come here to talk issues. I have no problem with people commenting about the campaign of Obama. I realize that I am not the only liberal here, but we are clearly in the minority... I only point out that it is somewhat unreasonable for kathianne to expect me to lead anyone on here.... certainly not bigots like you. Here's a tip: you wanna insult my dead father and call me a homo, expect me to insult your mother in return. I won't roll over and be the nice little token liberal for anyone.

what a joke. you take offense at someone calling you a homo when you first talked about rsr and me engaging in homosexual acts to such a disgusting level that one can only conclude you are gay. you brought up homo stuff with me first and you are crying about it? you're the biggest crybaby this board has ever seen.

[retiredman]

what a joke. you take offense at someone calling you a homo when you first talked about rsr and me engaging in homosexual acts to such a disgusting level that one can only conclude you are gay. you brought up homo stuff with me first and you are crying about it? you're the biggest crybaby this board has ever seen.

what you can "only conclude" is of little value to me. I take offense at someone insulting my dead father. I guess you missed that.
:laugh2:

[manu1959]

looks like someone is reaping what they have sown ......

[retiredman]

looks like someone is reaping what they have sown ......

like I have said... I never really expected any degree of impartiality from the conservatives on this board.

conservatives insult me and, from their perspective, it's all just harmless "bantering". I respond and I am a demon. that is not any big surprise for me.

[manu1959]

like I have said... I never really expected any degree of impartiality from the conservatives on this board.

conservatives insult me and, from their perspective, it's all just harmless "bantering". I respond and I am a demon. that is not any big surprise for me.

yes it must be them.....

[retiredman]

yes it must be them.....

no. clearly, from your perspective, any conservative who insults my patriotism or my service in the military, or even my dead father, is simply "bantering" with me. As i said, I understand that.

[Yurt]

mfm, quit whining like a baby. your problem with insults regarding family members is with one person on this board. you don't banter, you get very personal in your insults.

[OCA]

no. clearly, from your perspective, any conservative who insults my patriotism or my service in the military, or even my dead father, is simply "bantering" with me. As i said, I understand that.


Based upon your demeanor here one can logically conclude that you neither served in the military or the pulpit, so how can that be an insult?

[OCA]

mfm, quit whining like a baby. your problem with insults regarding family members is with one person on this board. you don't banter, you get very personal in your insults.

MFM considers dropping down to that gutteral of a level to be "just giving what I get", he cannot see the light that shines on him so I conclude that he is not the brightest bulb on the xmas tree.

[manu1959]

no. clearly, from your perspective, any conservative who insults my patriotism or my service in the military, or even my dead father, is simply "bantering" with me. As i said, I understand that.

no i think you deserve the attacks you get....don't think politics have anything to do with it....you use it as an excuse to attack people and then blame politics for the attacks on you....

couldn't possibly be you.....

[retiredman]

mfm, quit whining like a baby. your problem with insults regarding family members is with one person on this board. you don't banter, you get very personal in your insults.

I am not whining counselor. I merely point out that outrage of the right is pretty selective. And.... as I have said previously, you say things to me, and you call them "bantering". I call your "bantering" insulting and respond accordingly.

[retiredman]

Based upon your demeanor here one can logically conclude that you neither served in the military or the pulpit, so how can that be an insult?
do you not think that calling someone a liar is insulting?

[retiredman]

no i think you deserve the attacks you get....don't think politics have anything to do with it....you use it as an excuse to attack people and then blame politics for the attacks on you....

couldn't possibly be you.....

I give what I get. people on the right here excuse the insulting behavior of those of their same political ilk. I knew that going in.

[Yurt]

good lord, somebody call a waaambulance....

give it a rest, you are not innocent, and no amount of crying will change that

[manu1959]

I give what I get. people on the right here excuse the insulting behavior of those of their same political ilk. I knew that going in.

you get what you give......so why do you complain so much....

[retiredman]

you get what you give......so why do you complain so much....


I am not complaining. I only comment on the biased nature of this board. I think it is funny how anyone from the right can insult anyone from the left and the conservative club all look at the insult as merely "bantering", and all close ranks and attack the guy from the left who attacks back. If I had a real problem with that, I'd go to other sites. But go ahead and deny the conservative bias. put it all on me...I wouldn't expect anything else.:lol:

[Pale Rider]

no. clearly, from your perspective, any conservative who insults my patriotism or my service in the military, or even my dead father, is simply "bantering" with me. As i said, I understand that.

And now we get to see your best, "I'm an angel" act... ppphht... :talk2hand:

[retiredman]

And now we get to see your best, "I'm an angel" act... ppphht... :talk2hand:

I have never claimed I was an angel. I am a counterpuncher. and I land those punches below the belt...but I rarely go on the attack first.

[manu1959]

I am not complaining. I only comment on the biased nature of this board. I think it is funny how anyone from the right can insult anyone from the left and the conservative club all look at the insult as merely "bantering", and all close ranks and attack the guy from the left who attacks back. If I had a real problem with that, I'd go to other sites. But go ahead and deny the conservative bias. put it all on me...I wouldn't expect anything else.:lol:

you sound like obama praising 90% of blacks that vote for him and calling the whites that won't racist.....you are just as biased as those you condemn...

[retiredman]

you sound like obama praising 90% of blacks that vote for him and calling the whites that won't racist.....you are just as biased as those you condemn...

I may be just as partisan as you, but you and your ilk are in the clear preponderant majority. that gives you the "right" to call all conservative insults mere "bantering" and it affords me the opportunity to laugh at you even though I am in the minority.

[manu1959]

I may be just as partisan as you, but you and your ilk are in the clear preponderant majority. that gives you the "right" to call all conservative insults mere "bantering" and it affords me the opportunity to laugh at you even though I am in the minority.

i am so far from partisan i make you look like a hitler youth ..... insults...banter....who cares.....odd that you can't stay on the high moral ground given that you are a military man and a man of god.....

[Pale Rider]

I have never claimed I was an angel. I am a counterpuncher. and I land those punches below the belt...but I rarely go on the attack first.

Your comments have been pure filth. You're in the position you're in with other board members because of what you've said, and for you to claim you never insult first is just pure horse shit son. It's a damn lie, which you are now known to do.

[retiredman]

Your comments have been pure filth. You're in the position you're in with other board members because of what you've said, and for you to claim you never insult first is just pure horse shit son. It's a damn lie, which you are now known to do. I counterpunch. that's a fact. the righties on here never "insult" anyone...they just "banter" :lol:

and I ain't your "son". if you were my dad, I'd run away from home and change my name. As it turns out, I believe I am a bit older than you are....son.:lol:

[manu1959]

I counterpunch. that's a fact.

not true........

[Pale Rider]

I counterpunch. that's a fact. the righties on here never "insult" anyone...they just "banter"

and I ain't your "son". if you were my dad, I'd run away from home and change my name. As it turns out, I believe I am a bit older than you are....son.

No... you insult at will. First, second, makes no difference. Stop lying.

I called you son because I see you as an intellectual minor.

[retiredman]

No... you insult at will. First, second, makes no difference. Stop lying.

I called you son because I see you as an intellectual minor.

I could not stop lying because I have never started. fact.

the internet is often like a fun house mirror.

you can "see" yourself as an intellectual giant all you want. It doesn't make it so...son.

[Yurt]

waaaaaa, everybody is ganging up on poor little me, i never start anything, i am a perfect little angel, waaaaa



http://www.sweetwaterhsa.com/~terryc/Waambulance.jpg

[retiredman]

waaaaaa, everybody is ganging up on poor little me, i never start anything, i am a perfect little angel, waaaaa

I never claimed angelic status in any way.

[Pale Rider]

I could not stop lying because I have never started. fact.
You lie like a rug... fact.


the internet is often like a fun house mirror.

you can "see" yourself as an intellectual giant all you want. It doesn't make it so...son.
Your lack of originality is another example of why I consider you an intellectual minor.

[Yurt]

I never claimed angelic status in any way.

you claim you only counter-punch, thus your false allegation seeks to give you status as the one wronged and you are only defending, so you have indeed claimed such status.

[retiredman]

you claim you only counter-punch, thus your false allegation seeks to give you status as the one wronged and you are only defending, so you have indeed claimed such status.


angels don't counterpunch, ergo, I am not claiming angelic status.

[Mr. P]

Sorry... I mistook us as friends.

My post was in regard to the piling on that does occur here. Nothing more. It happens, my post had nothing to do with friends or supporting/defending any poster on my part. I just agreed it happens. Too much IMO. And so it goes.

[OCA]

do you not think that calling someone a liar is insulting?

Not if the subject du jour is actually a liar, its actually descriptively fitting.

[Sharra_R]

is it a lie that blacks in America now vote overwhelmingly for democrats, despite what segregation era democrats once did against them and despite what Lincoln era republicans once did for them? Why do you think that is?

Actually, until Nixon and the 'southern strategy' there were a whole lot of black Republicans, but the influx of Dixiecrats, and black Americans certainly being able to understand the 'southern strategy' code "states rights" was what moved them away, plus they had some decent memories of the efforts of Eleanor Roosevelt, and appreciated Truman's efforts toward integration, and what Lyndon Johnson did to move things along..... They saw those things as signs of appreciation..... And it was not Republicans down south standing on the protest lines and getting killed, too, so that blacks could register to vote!

[retiredman]

Not if the subject du jour is actually a liar, its actually descriptively fitting.

I don't lie so your point is irrelevant.

[retiredman]

Actually, until Nixon and the 'southern strategy' there were a whole lot of black Republicans, but the influx of Dixiecrats, and black Americans certainly being able to understand the 'southern strategy' code "states rights" was what moved them away, plus they had some decent memories of the efforts of Eleanor Roosevelt, and appreciated Truman's efforts toward integration, and what Lyndon Johnson did to move things along..... They saw those things as signs of appreciation..... And it was not Republicans down south standing on the protest lines and getting killed, too, so that blacks could register to vote!

exactly.

[Yurt]

I don't lie so your point is irrelevant.

another lie. :lol:

[manu1959]

I could not stop lying because I have never started. fact.

the internet is often like a fun house mirror.

you can "see" yourself as an intellectual giant all you want. It doesn't make it so...son.

ya right......

[Pale Rider]

I am a counterpuncher.
And here's how you "counter punch" without provocation... with filthy insults...


Pale rider's fears are not legitimate and are only bigoted homophobia in disguise.

A first hand example of your lies. You ARE a LIAR, and you're NOT going to be able to shake that. You've been exposed... liar. You're no kind of a man. You wouldn't amount to a pimple on a maggots ass. You're pure white trash. A white nigger.

[retiredman]

And here's how you "counter punch" without provocation... with filthy insults...



A first hand example of your lies. You ARE a LIAR, and you're NOT going to be able to shake that. You've been exposed... liar. You're no kind of a man. You wouldn't amount to a pimple on a maggots ass. You're pure white trash. A white nigger.

it isn't a lie. You are a bigoted homophobe. your thread about gays in the military has shown that clearly. It has been quite hilarious to watch you try to disguise your irrational fear of gay men. Does it bruise your fragile ego to realize that all those closeted gay airmen who DID shower with you were NOT aroused by the sight of you?:laugh2:


and to suggest that any less than glowing remark I make about you is somehow "without provocation" is also really funny as well.

[Pale Rider]

it isn't a lie. You are a bigoted homophobe. your thread about gays in the military has shown that clearly. It has been quite hilarious to watch you try to disguise your irrational fear of gay men. Does it bruise your fragile ego to realize that all those closeted gay airmen who DID shower with you were NOT aroused by the sight of you?:laugh2:


and to suggest that any less than glowing remark I make about you is somehow "without provocation" is also really funny as well.

You lack all sense of originality. How many years on these boards have you liberal homo apologists and defenders been accusing the NORMAL people of being homo.

It's like, "hey, all us homo lovers think boys sucking and fucking on each other is cool, we think it's OK, and everybody should try it." But then here comes a normal person that voices their disgust at the vile and perverted mental illness, which is the NORMAL reaction induced in 95% of all people on earth, and all of sudden, according to queer lovers, it is WE that are latent homos. Now I know all you liberal fag defenders think that comment is supposed to HURT us, but in truth and irony, you're trying to insult us with the VERY THING YOU'RE DEFENDING, and you're all too fucking STUPID to see your own hypocrisy. Well... YOU are anyway. You're the number slack jawed, cum gurglin', moron here with a list of lies on the board longer than old route 66.

Tell me maggot, how does it feel to be the most HATED person on the board, exposed as a liar, and now increasingly IGNORED by people because everyone is sick and tired of your vile, caustic mouth?

[retiredman]

You lack all sense of originality. How many years on these boards have you liberal homo apologists and defenders been accusing the NORMAL people of being homo.

It's like, "hey, all us homo lovers think boys sucking and fucking on each other is cool, we think it's OK, and everybody should try it." But then here comes a normal person that voices their disgust at the vile and perverted mental illness, which is the NORMAL reaction induced in 95% of all people on earth, and all of sudden, according to queer lovers, it is WE that are latent homos. Now I know all you liberal fag defenders think that comment is supposed to HURT us, but in truth and irony, you're trying to insult us with the VERY THING YOU'RE DEFENDING, and you're all too fucking STUPID to see your own hypocrisy. Well... YOU are anyway. You're the number slack jawed moron here with a list of lies on the board longer than old route 66.

Tell me maggot, how does it feel to be the most HATED person on the board, exposed as a liar, and now increasingly IGNORED by people because everyone is sick and tired of your vile, caustic mouth?

my points made in your thread about gays in the military are valid and you are apparently incapable of addressing them. I said as much.

I would think you might look as some of your own posts and see if you might also be guilty of vile and caustic statements. this one being an example.

[Pale Rider]

my points made in your thread about gays in the military are valid and you are apparently incapable of addressing them. I said as much.

I would think you might look as some of your own posts and see if you might also be guilty of vile and caustic statements. this one being an example.

Your points have zero validity. It's the ranting of a megalomaniac liar.

How does it feel to be the most HATED person on the board?

[retiredman]

Your points have zero validity. It's the ranting of a megalomaniac liar.

How does it feel to be the most HATED person on the board?

denouncing valid points is a lot easier than actually addressing them, isn't it?:lol: And do you even know what the word "megalomaniac" means or do you just think it makes you sound cool and intelligent to use it? How many of your fellow harley mechanics pepper their speech with "megalomaniac"?

And how does it "feel"? it doesn't "feel" like anything. I am sure the worms I step on as a walk through my garden "hate" me too, but I really don't register their "hatred" as any emotion that impacts me, either.

If I valued your opinion, your disapproval of me would be of concern.

I don't, ergo, it isn't.

[retiredman]

pass this around to the boys at the shop:

meg·a·lo·ma·ni·a (měg'ə-lō-mā'nē-ə, -mān'yə)
n.
A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.
An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions.

I have never suggested that I was extremely wealthy, or powerful or omnipotent in any way. I have never suggested that I have any obsessions with grandiose or extravagant things. I have never suggested taht I have any obsession with extravagant actions. I merely state political opinions and back them up with facts and observations.

megalomaniac is an inappropriate word to use when describing me. I'd stick with biker talk if I were you.

[Yurt]

pass this around to the boys at the shop:

meg·a·lo·ma·ni·a (měg'ə-lō-mā'nē-ə, -mān'yə)
n.
A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.
An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions.

I have never suggested that I was extremely wealthy, or powerful or omnipotent in any way. I have never suggested that I have any obsessions with grandiose or extravagant things. I have never suggested taht I have any obsession with extravagant actions. I merely state political opinions and back them up with facts and observations.

megalomaniac is an inappropriate word to use when describing me. I'd stick with biker talk if I were you.

it also describes somone with illusions of greatness and grandeur, which you clearly have. you believe that you never start anything, that you morally superior to everyone on the board. pale absolutely used the word correctly, so it is you that should stick to lesser vocabulary....

[retiredman]

it also describes somone with illusions of greatness and grandeur, which you clearly have. you believe that you never start anything, that you morally superior to everyone on the board. pale absolutely used the word correctly, so it is you that should stick to lesser vocabulary....

why am I not surprised that you would jump to his defense in this matter, counselor?

"greatness"??? "grandeur"? I have no such illusions and do not exhibit them. I am sure I start stuff a lot...because I do not suffer fools lightly and because I get frustrated by the "tar baby" nature of many of your cohorts here. At what point does it move beyond "playful bantering" and become insulting? Is putting "preacher" in quotation marks playful bantering and putting "counselor" in quotation marks an insult?

Where is the line where I start out calling someone a moron and have them call me a homo and then I call them a pedophile and then they tell me my dad was a drunk who fucked me in the ass and then I suggest that their mother was a whore?

I am sure that, given your clear dislike for me, you will undoubtedly draw the line in between one of the comments against me and my reply...but such a determination is hardly objective, is it?

I have never suggested that I am morally superior to anyone and realize, full well, that I am a flawed, prideful sinner with a sharp tongue and a quick temper.

So you are clearly way off base in suggesting that megalomaniac is at all descriptive.

And I would match my vocabulary - and my spelling AND my grammar - against yours any day...."counselor".:laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

If I valued your opinion, your disapproval of me would be of concern.

I don't, ergo, it isn't.

No one gives a crap what you think of them either nostril nugget.

Answer my question... how does it feel being the boards most HATED member?

[retiredman]

No one gives a crap what you think of them either nostril nugget.

Answer my question... how does it feel being the boards most HATED member?

I already answered your question. It feels inconsequential.

but I am curious as to when you were appointed as the spokesman for the rest of the board, or does your megalomania just let you presume such a position?:laugh2:

[glockmail]

You lack all sense of originality. How many years on these boards have you liberal homo apologists and defenders been accusing the NORMAL people of being homo.

It's like, "hey, all us homo lovers think boys sucking and fucking on each other is cool, we think it's OK, and everybody should try it." But then here comes a normal person that voices their disgust at the vile and perverted mental illness, which is the NORMAL reaction induced in 95% of all people on earth, and all of sudden, according to queer lovers, it is WE that are latent homos. Now I know all you liberal fag defenders think that comment is supposed to HURT us, but in truth and irony, you're trying to insult us with the VERY THING YOU'RE DEFENDING, and you're all too fucking STUPID to see your own hypocrisy. Well... YOU are anyway. You're the number slack jawed, cum gurglin', moron here with a list of lies on the board longer than old route 66.

Tell me maggot, how does it feel to be the most HATED person on the board, exposed as a liar, and now increasingly IGNORED by people because everyone is sick and tired of your vile, caustic mouth?:laugh2: Classic Pale Rider.

[Pale Rider]

I already answered your question. It feels inconsequential.

but I am curious as to when you were appointed as the spokesman for the rest of the board, or does your megalomania just let you presume such a position?:laugh2:

Then you further show evidence of autism. You're retarded. Now things are starting to make sense.

Problem is, whatever meds they have you on in an attempt to stabilize your vile mood swings, it isn't working. Probably because your abuse as a child is too deep rooted.

Well... in any case... I'm quite sure you'll remain the most hated person on the board indefinitely. You can't help yourself. Your mouth is your own worst enemy.

Oh... don't want to forget this... you seem to love it so... :laugh2: Look at the pertty little laughing thing mommy...

[glockmail]

"In the late 1940s President Truman, a Democrat, decided it was time to racially integrate the armed forces, causing outrage among some white Southern Democrats. As if this weren't enough, in 1948 the Democratic Party publicly declared its support for the civil rights movement. That was more than some white Southern Democrats could stomach, so they formed a "states rights" ticket that was appropriately labeled the Dixiecrats.

In the mid 1960s, the Dixicrats switched from the Democratic to the Republican Party to assist Barry Goldwater in his unsuccessful bid for the presidency against Lyndon Johnson. They were, however, pivotal in the Southern strategy that won the White House for Richard M. Nixon in 1968. President Reagan, a Republican, is credited with bringing all factions of the Republican right-wing conservative movement together, steeped in the Dixiecrat states' rights tradition.

During Reagan's administration, the issues and concerns of the Dixiecrats became principally those of the Republican Party. It was precisely at this juncture that the Republican Party ceased being the Party of Lincoln and evolved into what it is today to the vast majority of black America -- almost racially exclusive and dedicated to protecting and maintaining the status quo. In this context, it is difficult to imagine how the average civil rights-sensitive black citizen could blend in to today's Republican Party. "

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/135075_oscareason15.htmlThe “Republican” name was resurrected after the Kansas-Nebraska Act in Ripon, WI by Alvan Bovay on February 28, 1854. Opponents of slavery had chosen the name to contrast themselves with the aristocrats who lorded over slaves and poor whites in the South. Thomas Jefferson and his followers were also known as “Republicans”. Before settling on the “Whig” party, opponents of Andrew Jackson had called themselves the “National-Republicans”.

The most prominent Radical Republican (radically against slavery) was NY Senator William Seward; he had opposed Kansas-Nebraska. Lincoln at first considered the Radicals too abolitionist.

As Lincoln had pointed out throughout his career, the Framers had been ashamed of slavery and had expected that if confined to a region would die out. Lincoln embodied the Republican’s dedication to achieving Jefferson’s ideals through Alexander Hamilton’s free market system: “All honor to Jefferson”, he would say. Unnerved that the Republicans had taken heart to Jefferson, whom they claimed as their founder, Democrats accused them of being “Black Republicans”.

Lincoln was elected President in 1860.The Radical Republicans (radical = change) were the leading political force during the time of Lincoln through the Reconstruction period. With strong belief in the 1783 Constitutional language that all men are created equal, they campaigned to enhance freedom through free market economics. During this time, the northern states were majority Republican and had established a vibrant free market society. The majority Democrats in the south maintained a European model of an upper class minority supported by cheap labor of black slavery and poor whites.

In 1862 the Radical Republicans literally went to war against slavery with support of the moderate President Lincoln. After the Civil War and slavery was finally abolished, the southern Democrats kept the lower classes in line by limiting civil rights. The strong Republican majority in congress overrode a veto from Democrat President Andrew Johnson for the first time in US history and passed the Civil Rights Act of 1868. The racist Johnson then refused to enforce it.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights act of 1875, which was struck down by the Democrat majority Supreme Court in 1883. Republicans tried again in 1957, watering down a Civil Rights Act to overcome stiff Democrat opposition. 1960 brought a third Republican Civil Rights Act, pushed through after nearly a week long Democrat filibuster.

President John Kennedy became the first Democratic President to embrace the conservative ideals of the Radical Republicans. Democratic President Lyndon Johnson, who himself grew up impoverished in the South, pushed his party further, and supported the Republican sponsored 1964 Civil Rights Act. This Act was essentially a re-writing of the 1875 legislation, and was passed against chief opponents Albert Gore Sr. and a 14 hour filibuster by former Klansman Robert Byrd, still a Democrat senator to this day. Johnson was instrumental in strengthening the Act in 1968.

After loosing a 181 year long battle against the conservative free market ideals of the Radical Republicans, the Liberal Democrats have changed tactics. They have stolen the entrepreneurial spirit of the African Americans and poor whites by creating programs of entitlements, preferential treatment and dead end government employment.

[manu1959]

denouncing valid points is a lot easier than actually addressing them, isn't it?:lol: And do you even know what the word "megalomaniac" means or do you just think it makes you sound cool and intelligent to use it? How many of your fellow harley mechanics pepper their speech with "megalomaniac"?

And how does it "feel"? it doesn't "feel" like anything. I am sure the worms I step on as a walk through my garden "hate" me too, but I really don't register their "hatred" as any emotion that impacts me, either.

If I valued your opinion, your disapproval of me would be of concern.

I don't, ergo, it isn't.

insult alert WHOOP WHOOP.....damn should have bet him that C note

[glockmail]

damn should have bet him that C note Like any whore he would do anything for money and that includes keeping his true feelings hidden until the time is up.

[Yurt]

I am sure I start stuff a lot...

so now you're changing your story, *shocked*


I give what I get


I have never claimed I was an angel. I am a counterpuncher. and I land those punches below the belt...but I rarely go on the attack first.


:laugh2: liar, your pants are on fire

[retiredman]

so now you're changing your story, *shocked*






:laugh2: liar, your pants are on fire

your childishness really is rather amazing. you do sound like my oldest son...and you are, actually, about the same age...however, you sound like him when he was in fifth grade!

I start stuff a lot, but most of what I start is playful bantering. you surely know what that is!:laugh2:

[retiredman]

insult alert WHOOP WHOOP.....damn should have bet him that C note

who did I insult there? I was asked how something made me feel and I gave an honest answer.

[Yurt]

your childishness really is rather amazing. you do sound like my oldest son...and you are, actually, about the same age...however, you sound like him when he was in fifth grade!

I start stuff a lot, but most of what I start is playful bantering. you surely know what that is!:laugh2:

can you hear me now? how about NOW? :poke:

i know what playful bantering is MFM, you and i obviously have been at odds over this for over a month since you started insulting me and then pming me to say, "letttsss make peace." i said no prob, got no personal beef with you. but warned you quite clearly, that if you insult others, the deal is off, for that would be hypocritical-for one of my beefs with you was you insulting martin. we had peace for, what, one day, only to have you turn out to be a hypocrite.

have you ever truly considered the crap you spout on this site? i never spout stuff that i would not say to someone's face. to me, this site (contrary to OCA) represents a way to make friendships. they are hard to come by after college. especially in a small town. i have no problem ever meeting anyone on this site in person, do you?

btw - i also have no problem with those who wish to remain anonymous, this is, IMO, what allows a more free discussion, in what may otherwise be a room full of people who don't say much because it is a room full of people that does not personally know each other....and we all know how smoothly that goes.

[retiredman]

can you hear me now? how about NOW? :poke:

i know what playful bantering is MFM, you and i obviously have been at odds over this for over a month since you started insulting me and then pming me to say, "letttsss make peace." i said no prob, got no personal beef with you. but warned you quite clearly, that if you insult others, the deal is off, for that would be hypocritical-for one of my beefs with you was you insulting martin. we had peace for, what, one day, only to have you turn out to be a hypocrite.

have you ever truly considered the crap you spout on this site? i never spout stuff that i would not say to someone's face. to me, this site (contrary to OCA) represents a way to make friendships. they are hard to come by after college. especially in a small town. i have no problem ever meeting anyone on this site in person, do you?

btw - i also have no problem with those who wish to remain anonymous, this is, IMO, what allows a more free discussion, in what may otherwise be a room full of people who don't say much because it is a room full of people that does not personally know each other....and we all know how smoothly that goes.


so. you wanna have an unspoken alliance with everyone else on the board? so that any attack by me against any of them is an attack on you? and then you come at me for it? fine. go for it counselor. I made a truce with YOU, not the rest of the world. You don't want to make peace with me? I sure as fuck don't want to make peace with you. I have offered you several chances to play nice with me.... and I even apologized for ever questioning your legal expertise or your non-jewish status...just like you asked me to.

YOu have no desire to make friends with me...and, after your playful bantering with me on behalf of everyone else on the board, the feeling is mutual.:fu:

[Yurt]

so. you wanna have an unspoken alliance with everyone else on the board? so that any attack by me against any of them is an attack on you? and then you come at me for it? fine. go for it counselor. I made a truce with YOU, not the rest of the world. You don't want to make peace with me? I sure as fuck don't want to make peace with you. I have offered you several chances to play nice with me.... and I even apologized for ever questioning your legal expertise or your non-jewish status...just like you asked me to.

YOu have no desire to make friends with me...and, after your playful bantering with me on behalf of everyone else on the board, the feeling is mutual.:fu:

what part of:

if you insult others and thus you deserve it, the deal is off, did you not understand? "genius"

i see it is late afternoon (here) and the foul language is kickin in. say hello to the "spirits" that possess you to write such Jesus like posts....PREACHER

no more "", i will assume you are a preacher and that you actually preach the word of God from now on. will you be held to that standard? do you believe yourself called to serve God and spread His word through sermon? do you? or is preaching only an act? something done on sunday, only. do you believe that if you preach goodness on sunday, that you can spout vile bullshit about someone's mother teaching/engaging her son about sex on this site? don't give me your excuses about who started what, for Christ never did.

is your church only about talking the "holy" on sunday and talking shit the rest of the week? my isn't. then again, i haven't been to church in quite some time and do not claim such a lofty status as PREACHER.

[Pale Rider]

i have no problem ever meeting anyone on this site in person, do you?

There'd be so many people that wanted to whip mfm's ass, we'd have to use some sort of numbering system to figure out who goes first.

No... maggotfrommaine doesn't want to meet anybody here Yurt. He doesn't want to meet anybody in his off the board life either. Why else do think he hides out in some tiny, little, back woods town way up there in Maine? He lacks social skills. He can't control himself, and his cesspool mouth is his own worst enemy. I imagine there's been plenty of people in his life that wanted to kick his ass, and that's why he's hiding out up there in Maine.

Thing is, he can come on the board and talk his shit in relative safety. Probably what his psychiatrist recommended he do so he doesn't get his ass beat in real life.

[glockmail]

...... i have no problem ever meeting anyone on this site in person, do you? ..... Good point, but it will go on deaf ears. mfm wouldn't last three minutes here in the South with his attitude, and he knows it. He needs to see a pshrink and settle the score with his abused childhood.

[glockmail]

Lookie here great minds and all that. :clap: