Shaking Off Hillary

[Kathianne]

He's really trying, even Mo Dowd sees it, with pretty good humor:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Wilting Over Waffles

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: April 23, 2008

He’s never going to shake her off.
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Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times

Maureen Dowd

Not all by himself.

Is he skittish around her because he knows that she detests him and he’s used to charming everyone? Or does he feel guilty that he cut in line ahead of her? As the husband of Michelle, does he know better than to defy the will of a strong woman? Or is he simply scared of Hillary because she’s scary?

He is frantic to get away from her because he can’t keep carbo-loading to relate to the common people.

In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.

But this is clearly a man who can’t wait to get back to his organic scrambled egg whites. That was made plain with his cri de coeur at the Glider Diner in Scranton when a reporter asked him about Jimmy Carter and Hamas.

“Why” he pleaded, sounding a bit, dare we say, bitter, “can’t I just eat my waffle?”

His subtext was obvious: Why can’t I just be president? Why do I have to keep eating these gooey waffles and answering these gotcha questions and debating this gonzo woman?

Before they devour themselves once more, perhaps the Democrats will take a cue from Dr. Seuss’s “Marvin K. Mooney Will You Please Go Now!” (The writer once mischievously redid it for his friend Art Buchwald as “Richard M. Nixon Will You Please Go Now!”) They could sing:

“The time has come. The time has come. The time is now. Just go. ... I don’t care how. You can go by foot. You can go by cow. Hillary R. Clinton, will you please go now! You can go on skates. You can go on skis. ... You can go in an old blue shoe.

Just go, go, GO!”
...

[red states rule]

Barry just can't close the deal. If this rookie can't win over his own party, how the hell will be "unite" the nation?

[retiredman]

Barry just can't close the deal. If this rookie can't win over his own party, how the hell will be "unite" the nation?

time will tell. Hillary did a good job yesterday and the race goes on. Over breakfast this morning, my wife and I both agreed that we had two talented candidates and that could not be a bad thing. I do not pretend to speak for other democrats, but I know my family will all stand strong behind whichever of them comes out on top.

One could ask, if John McCain so repulses muscular conservatives such as RSR, how will HE ever not only unite the republicans, but unite America behind him? Time will tell.

[red states rule]

time will tell. Hillary did a good job yesterday and the race goes on. Over breakfast this morning, my wife and I both agreed that we had two talented candidates and that could not be a bad thing. I do not pretend to speak for other democrats, but I know my family will all stand strong behind whichever of them comes out on top.

One could ask, if John McCain so repulses muscular conservatives such as RSR, how will HE ever not only unite the republicans, but unite America behind him? Time will tell.

Nice spin MFM. Boy you have changed your tune since last night

Barry got his ass kicked last night, and the uncivil war goes on

and so does Operation Chaos. It scored a huge victory last night. Hillary will take this to Denver and the battle royal will start

McCain is doing fine. You should worry about your own screwed up party. I am enjoying the war :laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

Barry just can't close the deal. If this rookie can't win over his own party, how the hell will be "unite" the nation?

The only people hussein has united are the racist blacks, the idiot indigent whigger whites, and the empty headed kool aide drinker liberals... ahem... mfm... need I say more?

[red states rule]

The only people hussein has united are the racist blacks, the idiot indigent whigger whites, and the empty headed kool aide drinker liberals... ahem... mfm... need I say more?

MFM is crying in his latte. He is so depressed, he looked at his copy of the 2004 exit polls, and he still could not snap out of his depression

Now the liberal media will spin Barry's loss and play the race card, and insult white males

[retiredman]

Nice spin MFM. Boy you have changed your tune since last night

Barry got his ass kicked last night, and the uncivil war goes on

and so does Operation Chaos. It scored a huge victory last night. Hillary will take this to Denver and the battle royal will start

McCain is doing fine. You should worry about your own screwed up party. I am enjoying the war :laugh2:

how can you, of all people, say that McCain is doing fine? You are a self proclaimed "muscular conservative" - the true base of the republican party - and you are on record as being so opposed to his candidacy that you will not vote for him in November.

And as I said, I am not really "worried" about my party at all. Whoever comes out on top between our two fine candidates will get my vote.

I think that McCain is too interwoven with Bush's war and his economic policies that people will vote to stop a third straight term of mismanagement.

[red states rule]

how can you, of all people, say that McCain is doing fine? You are a self proclaimed "muscular conservative" - the true base of the republican party - and you are on record as being so opposed to his candidacy that you will not vote for him in November.

And as I said, I am not really "worried" about my party at all. Whoever comes out on top between our two fine candidates will get my vote.

I think that McCain is too interwoven with Bush's war and his economic policies that people will vote to stop a third straight term of mismanagement.

McCain has erased the double digit lead your candidates once had on him

Hillary and Barry are spending record amounts of cash - while McCain raises money

The Dems are ripping each other apart, while McCain brings in more Republicans

Keep your blinders on MFM. maybe you will miss the bloodbath in Denver :laugh2:

[retiredman]

McCain has erased the double digit lead your candidates once had on him

Hillary and Barry are spending record amounts of cash - while McCain raises money

The Dems are ripping each other apart, while McCain brings in more Republicans

Keep your blinders on MFM. maybe you will miss the bloodbath in Denver :laugh2:

you avoided my question: You are a self proclaimed "muscular conservative" - the true base of the republican party - and you are on record as being so opposed to his candidacy that you will not vote for him in November. how can you, of all people, say that McCain is doing fine?

[red states rule]

you avoided my question: You are a self proclaimed "muscular conservative" - the true base of the republican party - and you are on record as being so opposed to his candidacy that you will not vote for him in November. how can you, of all people, say that McCain is doing fine?

I am not a McCain fan - but unlike you - I call them as I see them

I outlined how McCain is doing fine - you ignored them

So be it

[retiredman]

I am not a McCain fan - but unlike you - I call them as I see them

I outlined how McCain is doing fine - you ignored them

So be it


your answer makes no sense. If you, a self proclaimed muscular conservative - the very base of the republican party - cannot bring yourself to vote for your party's candidate, how can that not bode poorly for his chances?

and I call 'em as I see 'em. My party has two pretty exciting candidates. One of them will go up against a tired old Bush clone who even YOU cannot support.

[red states rule]

your answer makes no sense. If you, a self proclaimed muscular conservative - the very base of the republican party - cannot bring yourself to vote for your party's candidate, how can that not bode poorly for his chances?

I am watching you clowns rip each other apart, and that helps McCain

Keep the circular firing squad in formation MFM :laugh2:

[CockySOB]

your answer makes no sense. If you, a self proclaimed muscular conservative - the very base of the republican party - cannot bring yourself to vote for your party's candidate, how can that not bode poorly for his chances?

I think as time goes on, the Republican base will lose some of its animosity towards McCain. The same might be true for the Democrats and whichever candidate wins the nomination. The difference is that the Republicans have had a lot more time to allow time to heal the wounds than the Democrats will have when they finally decide their nominee.

I've said before that I think McCain is most probably the worst of the field of Republican nominees, but compared to either Democrat nominee, he is the uber-conservative.

[retiredman]

I am watching you clowns rip each other apart, and that helps McCain

Keep the circular firing squad in formation MFM :laugh2:
I am not at all convinced that it will ultimately damage the democrats. I think the campaign has revitalized the party in states that were never a part of primary politics.

As consumer confidence goes in the tank, Americans think both democrats are as good as McCain.... when the focus of the democrats shifts to portraying just how closely tied McCain is to the failed economic and foreign policies of Dubya, Americans will realize that four more years of those policies are NOT what is in the country's best interests.

[red states rule]

I think as time goes on, the Republican base will lose some of its animosity towards McCain. The same might be true for the Democrats and whichever candidate wins the nomination. The difference is that the Republicans have had a lot more time to allow time to heal the wounds than the Democrats will have when they finally decide their nominee.

I've said before that I think McCain is most probably the worst of the field of Republican nominees, but compared to either Democrat nominee, he is the uber-conservative.

You nailed it

McCain is a very lucky candidate. The Dems are killing each other, while McCain stands back and smiles

[red states rule]

I am not at all convinced that it will ultimately damage the democrats. I think the campaign has revitalized the party in states that were never a part of primary politics.

As consumer confidence goes in the tank, Americans think both democrats are as good as McCain.... when the focus of the democrats shifts to portraying just how closely tied McCain is to the failed economic and foreign policies of Dubya, Americans will realize that four more years of those policies are NOT what is in the country's best interests.

Hell, you were saying how Hillary would win by about 4 to 5 points :laugh2:

The voters will not support trillions in new taxes, and more pork spending - which is the Dems failed economic policy they want

[CockySOB]

Hell, you were saying how Hillary would win by about 4 to 5 points :laugh2:

The voters will not support trillions in new taxes, and more pork spending - which is the Dems failed economic policy they want

To be honest, I only gave Hillary a 4-5% margin for the win in PA myself. I didn't expect the double-digit percentage win, but in light of the various problems which Obama has created for himself, I am not overly surprised either.

I just didn't know how much attention the Democrat voters would pay to the problems. Apparently, more than some Obamaphiles would like to believe....

:laugh2:

[retiredman]

Hell, you were saying how Hillary would win by about 4 to 5 points :laugh2:

The voters will not support trillions in new taxes, and more pork spending - which is the Dems failed economic policy they want


I already said, Hillary surprised me by doing so well yesterday. We clearly have two strong candidates.

Unfortunately for your party, the current occupant of the white house has stunk the place up so much...has done such an unimpressive job.... has driven the bus into the ditch so deeply...that voters are going to jump at the chance to put the place under new management.

And the voters are not going to worry too much about putting the rich people in america under the same tax schedule that allowed them - and the rest of the country - to prosper when Clinton was in office.

Pork? are you talking about "pork" again? You guys lost your ability to talk about pork. why? what are those three words?

bridge
to
nowhere

:laugh2:

[red states rule]

I already said, Hillary surprised me by doing so well yesterday. We clearly have two strong candidates.

Unfortunately for your party, the current occupant of the white house has stunk the place up so much...has done such an unimpressive job.... has driven the bus into the ditch so deeply...that voters are going to jump at the chance to put the place under new management.

And the voters are not going to worry too much about putting the rich people in america under the same tax schedule that allowed them - and the rest of the country - to prosper when Clinton was in office.

Pork? are you talking about "pork" again? You guys lost your ability to talk about pork. why? what are those three words?

bridge
to
nowhere

:laugh2:

and Barry wants to nearly double the capital gians tax which willhit anyone with a 401K. Even though history shows raising the capital gains tax reduces tax revenues

He wants to lift the cap of SS wages

Yet he says he will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less then $200,000

Dems want billion in new taxes of oil companies. Yes, that will lower the cost of gas :rolleyes:

Meanwhile Motor Mouth Murtha and Hillary are the king and Queen of pork - yet they want more of our money

Only libs think they can tax America into prosperity

[retiredman]

and Barry wants to nearly double the capital gians tax which willhit anyone with a 401K. Even though history shows raising the capital gains tax reduces tax revenues

He wants to lift the cap of SS wages

Yet he says he will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less then $200,000

Dems want billion in new taxes of oil companies. Yes, that will lower the cost of gas :rolleyes:

Meanwhile Motor Mouth Murtha and Hillary are the king and Queen of pork - yet they want more of our money

Only libs think they can tax America into prosperity

the point is.... your tired old lines have failed to capture American voters. YOu guys have done such a shitty job during your time at the helm, Americans ain't in the mood to let you try again. It's time for a time out. sorry.

[red states rule]

the point is.... your tired old lines have failed to capture American voters. YOu guys have done such a shitty job during your time at the helm, Americans ain't in the mood to let you try again. It's time for a time out. sorry.

Yes duck Barry's lie about not raising taxes on folks making less then $200,000

Or how taxing oil companies will lower the cost of gas

It is what you do best

[retiredman]

Yes duck Barry's lie about not raising taxes on folks making less then $200,000

Or how taxing oil companies will lower the cost of gas

It is what you do best


I disagree with your economic analysis. I suggested that America is sick and tired of the terrible management of our economic policies and foreign policies...they think the country is headed in the wrong direction and they will not be willing to give the republicans four more years to fuck it up even worse.

Hell... even self described muscular conservatives (and paradoxically, a Rudy supporter) like yourself, cannot stomach the aging Bush clone that your party has foisted upon you.

[red states rule]

I disagree with your economic analysis. I suggested that America is sick and tired of the terrible management of our economic policies and foreign policies...they think the country is headed in the wrong direction and they will not be willing to give the republicans four more years to fuck it up even worse.

Hell... even self described muscular conservatives (and paradoxically, a Rudy supporter) like yourself, cannot stomach the aging Bush clone that your party has foisted upon you.

So you are defending Barry's lie on how he wil not raise taxes on anyone who makes less then $200,000 - then tells them how he is going to raise their taxes

How will billions in new taxes on oil companies lower the price of gas?

Or will you just keep spining for your bloodied golden boy?

[retiredman]

So you are defending Barry's lie on how he wil not raise taxes on anyone who makes less then $200,000 - then tells them how he is going to raise their taxes

How will billions in new taxes on oil companies lower the price of gas?

Or will you just keep spining for your bloodied golden boy?
I need a link to your goofy assertions regarding Obama's tax plans.

and no one ever said that taxing oil companies would lower the price of gas.... it just would divert some of their insane profits back to programs that are grossly underfunded.

And RSR...I am not spinning for Obama. He was not my first choice, as I've told you many times. He is my choice between the two great candidates we have left. I'll be happy with either.

[glockmail]

He's really trying, even Mo Dowd sees it, with pretty good humor:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

She's had some good pieces lately. Usually I can't stand her.

[Pale Rider]

the point is.... your tired old lines have failed to capture American voters. YOu guys have done such a shitty job during your time at the helm, Americans ain't in the mood to let you try again. It's time for a time out. sorry.

The repubs HAVE done a shitty job... I'll agree. But the dems are doing an even SHITTIER job.

What are those three words?

"Vote
third
party."

[CockySOB]

I need a link to your goofy assertions regarding Obama's tax plans.

and no one ever said that taxing oil companies would lower the price of gas.... it just would divert some of their insane profits back to programs that are grossly underfunded.

How very socialist of you. The next step would be to become a communist and declare that the oil companies and their property would be confiscated by the government via eminent domain, and then run by the government to ensure that ALL profits were redistributed to the masses (directly or indirectly).

BTW, businesses in general pass on the costs of doing business to the consumer, including any tax hikes on corporate profits. As long as the consumer public continues to spend their dollar with these businesses, the practice will continue. And legally, there is nothing anyone can do about it except to boycott businesses whose prices are exorbitant.

Want the cost of gasoline to go down? Organize a boycott of 2 of the major 5 oil companies for a prolonged time. You'll see gasoline prices plummet. But until consumers organize and refuse to exercise their collective "pocketbook-power" they're going to be unable to influence any change.

[retiredman]

The repubs HAVE done a shitty job... I'll agree. But the dems are doing an even SHITTIER job.

What are those three words?

"Vote
third
party."

I rejoice in our ability to do so! I am not sure I am ready to vote against the democrats just yet, but you should certainly feel free to go for whatever third party candidate tickles your fancy.

[red states rule]

I need a link to your goofy assertions regarding Obama's tax plans.

and no one ever said that taxing oil companies would lower the price of gas.... it just would divert some of their insane profits back to programs that are grossly underfunded.

And RSR...I am not spinning for Obama. He was not my first choice, as I've told you many times. He is my choice between the two great candidates we have left. I'll be happy with either.

Here are Barry's own goofy words

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=13661

Libs said they would lower the price of gas if they were elected in 06. How high has theprice gone up since they took over?

[retiredman]

Libs said they would lower the price of gas if they were elected in 06. How high has theprice gone up since they took over?


when democrats take over, we'll find out! 49 votes in the senate is hardly the majority necessary to govern, is it?

[red states rule]

when democrats take over, we'll find out! 49 votes in the senate is hardly the majority necessary to govern, is it?

Ducking Barry's goofy economics MFM?

Or are you going to ignore his own words as you have done on other issues?

[DragonStryk72]

Barry just can't close the deal. If this rookie can't win over his own party, how the hell will be "unite" the nation?


Oh yes, because Hilary's use of fear ads really makes her such a wonderful leader. She's pissed off the party more than Obama has.

[red states rule]

Oh yes, because Hilary's use of fear ads really makes her such a wonderful leader. She's pissed off the party more than Obama has.

and Barry offers nothing but bumber sticker slogans

The Clintons are doing to Barry what they did to Republicans for 8 years. Libs loved the Clintons then

Now because a black lib is getting the Clinton treatment - the Barry supporters are in an uproar

[retiredman]

Ducking Barry's goofy economics MFM?

Or are you going to ignore his own words as you have done on other issues?


I think he was less than clear about his capital gains tax proposals...

when will you address the points I made, or will you continue to live up to the great quote of yours in my signature line?

[red states rule]

I think he was less than clear about his capital gains tax proposals...

when will you address the points I made, or will you continue to live up to the great quote of yours in my signature line?

Less then clear?

He stumbled and bumbled through his "fairness" bullshit. Higher taxes for all according to your boy Barry - and you can;t admit it

He is another Mondale in the making :laugh2:

That is why he ducked out out he next debate. he can't answer direct questions

[retiredman]

Less then clear?

He stumbled and bumbled through his "fairness" bullshit. Higher taxes for all according to your boy Barry - and you can;t admit it

He is another Mondale in the making :laugh2:

That is why he ducked out out he next debate. he can't answer direct questions

In case you have any doubts, let me say that you have made it quite clear that you do not like either of the democratic party candidates for president. In case you have any doubts, let me also say that I am satisfied with the democratic candidates, and even though neither of the remaining candidates were my first or even second choices given the starting field, I can support either one of them for the presidency against John McCain.

[red states rule]

In case you have any doubts, let me say that you have made it quite clear that you do not like either of the democratic party candidates for president. In case you have any doubts, let me also say that I am satisfied with the democratic candidates, and even though neither of the remaining candidates were my first or even second choices given the starting field, I can support either one of them for the presidency against John McCain.

You lie enough for Barry as a sign of your support. Even when confronted with his own words, you deny what he says

Right now he is limping along, and his beaten up badly. He has not won a major primary in sometime, and the SD's have to be getting worried :laugh2:

[retiredman]

You lie enough for Barry as a sign of your support. Even when confronted with his own words, you deny what he says

Right now he is limping along, and his beaten up badly. He has not won a major primary in sometime, and the SD's have to be getting worried :laugh2:

I have never denied a single legitimate quote from Obama. not once.

and I wonder what makes you think you would have any idea what democratic superdelegates were thinking?

[red states rule]

I have never denied a single legitimate quote from Obama. not once.

and I wonder what makes you think you would have any idea what democratic superdelegates were thinking?

So Barry was not "clear" on raising the capital gains tax?

snip

) If Obama is correct and the economy (where the current jobless rate is 5.1 percent vs. recessionary peaks of 8.8 percent in 1975, 10.8 percent in 1982, 7.8 percent in 1992, and 6.3 percent in 2003) is "in a shambles" and "teetering not just on the edge of recession, but potentially worse," why would he want to nearly double the capital-gains-tax rate, which is a tax on savings, investment, and, yes, housing?

In the YouTube moment of the debate, comoderator Charlie Gibson of ABC News asked Obama twice why he wanted to raise capital-gains taxes since such a move would both 1) hit the middle class and 2) produce less government revenue. Obama—who didn't seem to know that middle-class people pay capital-gains taxes, since he had just moments earlier promised not to raise taxes on people making under the $200,000-to-$250,000 range—gave this answer:

Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital-gains tax for purposes of fairness....[And as to higher rates bringing in less revenue], well, that might happen or it might not. It depends on what's happening on Wall Street and how business is going.... ...And if we can stabilize that market and we can get credit flowing again, then I think we'll see stocks do well, and once again I think we can generate the revenue that we need to run this government and hopefully to pay down some of this debt.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/04/17/obama-clinton-debate-in-philadelphia-spawns-weird-economics.html


Given how Barry is wounded, they better be worried

[retiredman]

do you think that last paragraph constitutes a clear answer?:laugh2:



now... tell me what makes you think you would have any idea what democratic superdelegates were thinking?

[red states rule]

do you think that last paragraph constitutes a clear answer?:laugh2:

We are talkiing about Barry, who does not put much weight in backing up his statements

He wants to nearly double the capital gains tax and take the cap off SS wages

Those tax increases will hit nearly all working class folks - the folks Barry says he cares about

His "caring" carries a stiff price

But being a Barry Kool Aide drinker, you ignore his own words, and then lie for him

[retiredman]

We are talkiing about Barry, who does not put much weight in backing up his statements

He wants to nearly double the capital gains tax and take the cap off SS wages

Those tax increases will hit nearly all working class folks - the folks Barry says he cares about

His "caring" carries a stiff price

But being a Barry Kool Aide drinker, you ignore his own words, and then lie for him


I am the one who said his answer was not clear. It isn't.

ANd don't call me a liar. I hate being called a liar.

[red states rule]

I am the one who said his answer was not clear. It isn't.

ANd don't call me a liar. I hate being called a liar.

It is very clear. He is going to screw over most workers with higher taxes

It does not matter if it is Barry raising taxes, his racist pastor, his terrorist friend, or his indited fundraiser - you spin, duck, dodge, and lie to defend your boy

[retiredman]

It is very clear. He is going to screw over most workers with higher taxes

It does not matter if it is Barry raising taxes, his racist pastor, his terrorist friend, or his indited fundraiser - you spin, duck, dodge, and lie to defend your boy
I have asked you many times to not call me a liar. please don't.

[red states rule]

I have asked you many times to not call me a liar. please don't.

Then stop doing it

You can never bring yourself to say anything against your boy, despite looking at his own words

[retiredman]

Then stop doing it

You can never bring yourself to say anything against your boy, despite looking at his own words

I don't ever lie. I have asked you nicely on multiple occasions. I find that really really insulting. stop it. please.

[red states rule]

I don't ever lie. I have asked you nicely on multiple occasions. I find that really really insulting. stop it. please.


Well there is another one

Are you sure you are not supporting Hillary?

So BArry says no tax increases for anyone who makes less then $200,00 - yet then he says he want capital gains and SS tax increases

and you deny he is for them

It is hard to understand your "thought" process

[retiredman]

Well there is another one

Are you sure you are not supporting Hillary?

So BArry says no tax increases for anyone who makes less then $200,00 - yet then he says he want capital gains and SS tax increases

and you deny he is for them

It is hard to understand your "thought" process

I think that Obama is against raising the marginal income tax rates for people who make less than 200K. Is that hard for you to understand?

[red states rule]

I think that Obama is against raising the marginal income tax rates for people who make less than 200K. Is that hard for you to understand?

But he will jack up other taxes to make up for it

and he is against raising the marginal income tax rates for people who make less than $200,000 for now

Like the Dem platform, his positions are subject to change without notice :laugh2:

[retiredman]

But he will jack up other taxes to make up for it

and he is against raising the marginal income tax rates for people who make less than $200,000 for now

Like the Dem platform, his positions are subject to change without notice :laugh2:

those are your opinions. I explained what I thought he meant by his statements regarding folks making less than $200K. I do not lie about him or about anything.

[red states rule]

those are your opinions. I explained what I thought he meant by his statements regarding folks making less than $200K. I do not lie about him or about anything.

You spin for you boy regardless of the facts, and when needed (which is often) you deny the obvious

[retiredman]

You spin for you boy regardless of the facts, and when needed (which is often) you deny the obvious

I do not lie about Obama or anything else, for that matter. I have asked you to refrain from calling me a liar on numerous occasions. stop it.

[red states rule]

I do not lie about Obama or anything else, for that matter. I have asked you to refrain from calling me a liar on numerous occasions. stop it.

What else would you call denying what Barry said in a debate?

I know you are a BArry Kool Aide drinker, then you recycle it into bath water - but he said what he said

[retiredman]

What else would you call denying what Barry said in a debate?

I know you are a BArry Kool Aide drinker, then you recycle it into bath water - but he said what he said

deny it? I never denied it. I SAID he gave a much less than clear answer to the capital gains question.

do not call me a liar. I don't lie. Please don't make me ask you again.

[Hobbit]

deny it? I never denied it. I SAID he gave a much less than clear answer to the capital gains question.

do not call me a liar. I don't lie. Please don't make me ask you again.

Oh, THAT line again. You have repeatedly been cornered by your lies, then get belligerent and angry when people call you on it, even when presenting PROOF that what you said was not true, along with proof that you had to know it wasn't true. Barack showed a clear lack of understanding of the capital gains tax, then, when confronted with the truth of the matter, his true self came out. He stated very clearly and concisely that he wanted to raise the capital gains tax to be 'fair.' Then, he realized what kind of crap he'd just stepped in and started bumbling around with his words not because he wasn't being clear, but because he was trying to use that 'articulate' side of himself to stuff the cat back in the bag and scrape the crap off his shoe. It didn't work, so now his acolytes are trying to rephrase the entire quote, despite the fact that his exact statement, right down to tone and body language, are a matter of public record and in no way resemble the picture being painted by the Obamaniacs.

[glockmail]

I think that Obama is against raising the marginal income tax rates for people who make less than 200K. Is that hard for you to understand?Raising taxes on the missle class? Why, I thought only the rich should pay taxes?

[retiredman]

Raising taxes on the missle class? Why, I thought only the rich should pay taxes?


clearly, your answer to my question was "yes".

[glockmail]

clearly, your answer to my question was "yes".
Apparently so.

[red states rule]

Raising taxes on the missle class? Why, I thought only the rich should pay taxes?

MFM is drunk on Kool Aide as usual, and can't admit or face the truth

Barry has a bullseye on every workers wallet, and MFM could not care less

Party trumps truth with him

[retiredman]

MFM is drunk on Kool Aide as usual, and can't admit or face the truth

Barry has a bullseye on every workers wallet, and MFM could not care less

Party trumps truth with him


do you think that people who make more that 200K/year are part of the middle class, RSR?

If so, where does your Walmart salary put YOU?

How's Walmart's healthcare? Wasn't there just a big case about how they dropped some poor girl's coverage after she was hurt in a car accident? Gosh...I sure hope you're covered OK for catastrophic coverage.

[red states rule]

do you think that people who make more that 200K/year are part of the middle class, RSR?

If so, where does your Walmart salary put YOU?

How's Walmart's healthcare? Wasn't there just a big case about how they dropped some poor girl's coverage after she was hurt in a car accident? Gosh...I sure hope you're covered OK for catastrophic coverage.

Well, since you can't lie your way out of your defense of Barry's lie - you now change the subject

A sure sign you have nothing left to offer

Barry was busted on how he will increase taxes nearly every worker

and you were busted tryng to lie for him

[retiredman]

Well, since you can't lie your way out of your defense of Barry's lie - you now change the subject

A sure sign you have nothing left to offer

Barry was busted on how he will increase taxes nearly every worker

and you were busted tryng to lie for him


fuck you baldy. I never lied for him. I said his answer about capital gains was confusing. His statement about not raising marginal income tax rates on people earning less than 200K is on record. We'll have to wait to see what president Obama does when he is in office.... well...some of us will wait....some of us won't.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

fuck you baldy. I never lied for him. I said his answer about capital gains was confusing. His statement about not raising marginal income tax rates on people earning less than 200K is on record. We'll have to wait to see what president Obama does when he is in office.... well...some of us will wait....some of us won't.:laugh2:

You keep racking them up

I never knew a "preacher" could tell so many whoppers in one day

[retiredman]

You keep racking them up

I never knew a "preacher" could tell so many whoppers in one day

where's the lie, baldy?

[Yurt]

where's the lie, baldy?

that you're a preacher, you are liar because you ain't no preacher....howz about them apples "preacher" you call me a liar over and over regarding whether i am a lawyer but you whine like a little sissy when someone calls you a liar....i believe your words were "you fucking pussy"

:laugh2:

[retiredman]

that you're a preacher, you are liar because you ain't no preacher....howz about them apples "preacher" you call me a liar over and over regarding whether i am a lawyer but you whine like a little sissy when someone calls you a liar....i believe your words were "you fucking pussy"

:laugh2:

I have no doubts that you are a lawyer, yurt.... It is just that I grew up in the home of a really great lawyer, so, from my perspective, you are just a cheesy ambulance chasing shyster.

In fact, I have NEVER told a lie on this site or any other. I have never said I was an ordained minister, because I am not...only that I do preach sermons from time to time. That's a fact...just like you are a whiny little shyster wimp ass excuse for an attorney.

AND you are a fucking pussy! :laugh2:

[MtnBiker]

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