The Year That Wasn't

[red states rule]

What happened?

This was to be so easy for the Dems this year. Hillary was to stroll to the nomination. Rudy was going to lead Republicans in the fall campaign

Besides, forget holding the election, Dems were to strut into the WH without a strugggle




April 03, 2008
The Year That Wasn't
By Victor Davis Hanson

2008 was supposed to have been an ideal year for the Democratic Party. There's an unpopular, lame-duck Republican president presiding over an iffy economy and an unpopular war. Plus, the Democrats won big in the 2006 elections, and there's no Republican vice president in the race to draw on the power of incumbency.

No wonder that for much of 2007, the polls suggested that the only mystery would be by how much Sen. Hillary Clinton would beat former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the general election.

Indeed, for Democrats not to walk into the presidency in November 2008, the conventional wisdom was that the absolute unthinkable would have to transpire.

And now it almost has.

The Republicans have done something unimaginable in making Sen. John McCain the presumptive nominee. And so have the Democrats in allowing their primary season to drag on.

On the Republican side, McCain, not too long ago, was running far behind in the primaries, and his maverick positions enraged influential conservatives. Yet he proved to be the only Republican candidate who had any chance of capturing moderate and independent voters. And for all their bluster, most die-hard conservatives now seem like they're going to hold their noses and vote Republican.

On the Democratic side, Clinton was stopped cold - but still has yet to be finished off by Obama. Now we can expect months more of infighting. As the Democrats raise tens of millions to destroy themselves, McCain can only sit back and smile.

for the complete article

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/the_year_that_wasnt.html

[retiredman]

yeah.... whatever happened to Rudy? Wasn't he the guy that so-called muscular conservatives were so ga-ga over that they would ignore his totally un-conservative positions? I seem to recall you predicting he was a lock for the nomination?:laugh2:

Oh yeah...and you predicted Hillary would run away with it too....

Seems like your political prognostication record is no better than your english composition skills!

[red states rule]

yeah.... whatever happened to Rudy? Wasn't he the guy that so-called muscular conservatives were so ga-ga over that they would ignore his totally un-conservative positions? I seem to recall you predicting he was a lock for the nomination?:laugh2:

Oh yeah...and you predicted Hillary would run away with it too....

Seems like your political prognostication record is no better than your english composition skills!

Rudy ran a lousy campaign.

You should be more worried about your own party. The war rages on, and the Clintons will stop at nothing to win

Libs like you loved it when the Clintons used the same tactics against Republicans. Now that they are using those same tactics against a black lib - you are pissed

[actsnoblemartin]

funny how i dont hear a peep out of the democrat party for all the smears and hate from the daily hate site


yeah.... whatever happened to Rudy? Wasn't he the guy that so-called muscular conservatives were so ga-ga over that they would ignore his totally un-conservative positions? I seem to recall you predicting he was a lock for the nomination?:laugh2:

Oh yeah...and you predicted Hillary would run away with it too....

Seems like your political prognostication record is no better than your english composition skills!

[actsnoblemartin]

borat: but he is a good white .... not :laugh2:


Rudy ran a lousy campaign.

You should be more worried about your own party. The war rages on, and the Clintons will stop at nothing to win

Libs like you loved it when the Clintons used the same tactics against Republicans. Now that they are using those same tactics against a black lib - you are pissed

[red states rule]

funny how i dont hear a peep out of the democrat party for all the smears and hate from the daily hate site

Why would you?

I do love to see the Eems tactics turned against them by their own

[retiredman]

You should be more worried about your own party.

and YOU should take your own fucking advice!:laugh2:

I , for the record, am not worried about McCain at all.... he's a loser. And I am perfectly confident that whichever democrat wins the nomination will go on to kick McCain's ass.

But really.... why don't you take your own advice and quit harping about Hillary and Obama and worry about the republican party and let democrats nominate whoever the hell we want to?

fucking hypocrite.:laugh2:

[retiredman]

funny how i dont hear a peep out of the democrat party for all the smears and hate from the daily hate site

what daily hate site are you referring to, oh village idiot?

[red states rule]

and YOU should take your own fucking advice!:laugh2:

I , for the record, am not worried about McCain at all.... he's a loser. And I am perfectly confident that whichever democrat wins the nomination will go on to kick McCain's ass.

But really.... why don't you take your own advice and quit harping about Hillary and Obama and worry about the republican party and let democrats nominate whoever the hell we want to?

fucking hypocrite.:laugh2:

Our nominee is set, and all is peaceful

Meanwhile, your party is being ripped to pieces by the Clintons and Operation Chaos

Seems you are a bit testy over the war within your party. Denver will be such a fun place to be this August :lol:

[actsnoblemartin]

i see obama and clinton fighting over who gets to break open the donkey (pinata) for the nomination. I just love it


Our nominee is set, and all is peaceful

Meanwhile, your party is being ripped to pieces by the Clintons and Operation Chaos

Seems you are a bit testy over the war within your party. Denver will be such a fun place to be this August :lol:

[red states rule]

i see obama and clinton fighting over who gets to break open the donkey (pinata) for the nomination. I just love it

Now we know why the symbol of the Dem party is a jackass

It fits Obama, Hillary, and most liberals

[retiredman]

Our nominee is set, and all is peaceful

Meanwhile, your party is being ripped to pieces by the Clintons and Operation Chaos

Seems you are a bit testy over the war within your party. Denver will be such a fun place to be this August :lol:

Operation Chaos is a silly parlor game. Obama is closing in on Hillary in PA and will make it so close that she will gain little if any traction from any "win" there.

I am not testy at all..... I just love catching you in profoundly hypocritical moments.

Your prognostication this year has sucked out loud! I think it is hilarious that the muscular conservative supported the wimpy new york pro-gun control pro-abortion, pro-gay rights philanderer from New York.... and got his ass kicked!

Someone could make a lot of money on here by taking your predictions and voting against them. :laugh2:

[actsnoblemartin]

well, he's not a paid political consultant.. so relax there mainey
Operation Chaos is a silly parlor game. Obama is closing in on Hillary in PA and will make it so close that she will gain little if any traction from any "win" there.

I am not testy at all..... I just love catching you in profoundly hypocritical moments.

Your prognostication this year has sucked out loud! I think it is hilarious that the muscular conservative supported the wimpy new york pro-gun control pro-abortion, pro-gay rights philanderer from New York.... and got his ass kicked!

Someone could make a lot of money on here by taking your predictions and voting against them. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Operation Chaos is a silly parlor game. Obama is closing in on Hillary in PA and will make it so close that she will gain little if any traction from any "win" there.

I am not testy at all..... I just love catching you in profoundly hypocritical moments.

Your prognostication this year has sucked out loud! I think it is hilarious that the muscular conservative supported the wimpy new york pro-gun control pro-abortion, pro-gay rights philanderer from New York.... and got his ass kicked!

Someone could make a lot of money on here by taking your predictions and voting against them. :laugh2:


What you fail to grasp is neither Obama or Hillary will be able to win enough delegates to wrap up the nomination

This fight is going all the way to Denver. The bloodletting will continue, they will continue to dspend tons of money, and cause more hard feelings

Operation Chaos is succeeding much to the libs and liberal medias idsmay

Meanwhile. McCain sits back, raises money, and smiles

I will sit back and enjoy the show

[retiredman]

well, he's not a paid political consultant.. so relax there mainey


when I want advice from the village idiot, I'll wave some gay porn in your face to get your attention.

[red states rule]

when I want advice from the village idiot, I'll wave some gay porn in your face to get your attention.

Ah, the Christian side of MFM shows through again. His mature and adult comments are a joy to read

Maybe one day he will post one

[actsnoblemartin]

more like operation dumbass.

the libs whined like a little girl, about disenfranchisement.. then go do it to themselves.

what part of dont break the rules did florida and michigan not get?

they broke up, too bad


What you fail to grasp is neither Obama or Hillary will be able to win enough delegates to wrap up the nomination

This fight is going all the way to Denver. The bloodletting will continue, they will continue to dspend tons of money, and cause more hard feelings

Operation Chaos is succeeding much to the libs and liberal medias idsmay

Meanwhile. McCain sits back, raises money, and smiles

I will sit back and enjoy the show

[red states rule]

more like operation dumbass.

the libs whined like a little girl, about disenfranchisement.. then go do it to themselves.

what part of dont break the rules did florida and michigan not get?

they broke up, too bad

It is fun to watch the Dems implode after they were so cocky about how easy the election would be for them

[retiredman]

What you fail to grasp is neither Obama or Hillary will be able to win enough delegates to wrap up the nomination

This fight is going all the way to Denver. The bloodletting will continue, they will continue to dspend tons of money, and cause more hard feelings

Operation Chaos is succeeding much to the libs and liberal medias idsmay

Meanwhile. McCain sits back, raises money, and smiles

I will sit back and enjoy the show


another one in a string of pronostications from you?

This campaign is energizing democrats. Look at the numbers of people who voted in democratic primaries versus the republican primaries. Our country is sick of Bush and McCain is nothing more than a third term of Dubya... America doesn't WANT a guy who will keep us in Iraq for a hundred years...I don't know whether you knew that.

[red states rule]

another one in a string of pronostications from you?

This campaign is energizing democrats. Look at the numbers of people who voted in democratic primaries versus the republican primaries. Our country is sick of Bush and McCain is nothing more than a third term of Dubya... America doesn't WANT a guy who will keep us in Iraq for a hundred years...I don't know whether you knew that.

It is a fact. Show me a link where it proves either Hillary or Obama will be able to win enough delegates by June 3, when the last primary is held

The Dems stupid system of rewarding the loser of the primary with delegates is coming back to haunt them

Hillary wil not drop out until the last possible moment

Which means more fighting and more libs turning on other libs

[retiredman]

IOt is a fact. Show me a link where it proves either Hillary or Obama will be able to win enough delegates by June 3, when the last primary is held

The Dems stupid system of rewarding the loser of the primary with delegates is coming back to haunt them

Hillary wil not drop out until the last possible moment

Which means more fighting and more libs turning on other libs


more prognostication from the Rudy supporter!

Your predictions about what Hillary or Obama or Dean or ANYONE will do have been routinely off mark. Go Rudy!

[red states rule]

more prognostication from the Rudy supporter!

Your predictions about what Hillary or Obama or Dean or ANYONE will do have been routinely off mark. Go Rudy!

Translation - so what if you are correct? I will still have my temper tantrum and ignore those damn pesky facts

[actsnoblemartin]

dogs are too good for him, id call mainey, a snake... evil.


Translation - so what if you are correct? I will still have my temper tantrum and ignore those damn pesky facts

[red states rule]

dogs are too good for him, id call mainey, a snake... evil.

He is just a liberal hack. To him Dems can do nothing wrong, and he wil sing their praises no matter how many facts go against his DNC approved talking points

[retiredman]

Translation - so what if you are correct? I will still have my temper tantrum and ignore those damn pesky facts

of course you are correct that neither candidate will have enough "pledged" delegates prior to the convention. that is not in question. that does not mean that you are right that the matter will go to the floor of the convention unresolved. I believe that the superdelegates will announce their choices well in advance of the convention.

Like I said...your track record on prognostications this election season has been piss poor. I think my party will come out of the convention unified behind a candidate and that candidate will win in November.

[retiredman]

dogs are too good for him, id call mainey, a snake... evil.


oh look...the village halfwit - who is done amusing himself by abusing himself and catching the stuff in his hat - has put down his porn and babbled about something!

how droll!:lol:

[red states rule]

of course you are correct that neither candidate will have enough "pledged" delegates prior to the convention. that is not in question. that does not mean that you are right that the matter will go to the floor of the convention unresolved. I believe that the superdelegates will announce their choices well in advance of the convention.

Like I said...your track record on prognostications this election season has been piss poor. I think my party will come out of the convention unified behind a candidate and that candidate will win in November.

The Super delegates are being courted by the Clintons - and remember Bill is so good at winning people over. At least that is what libs have told us for ten years

What about MI and FL? Are Dems going to screw them over and not have their votes count?

You have enough problems to worry about MM. I am enjoying this way to much

[Classact]

did anyone see Obama on Hardball last evening? Hardball Chris asked the hard questions and then rolled over as Obama scratched his belly... too funny!

Chris asked a follow up saying your Rev. is going to be a problem in the general election and Obama talked twenty minutes about the economy, war, health care and the weather... tooooo funny! Here is another point of view http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WilliamRusher/2008/04/03/the_wright_stuff

[red states rule]

did anyone see Obama on Hardball last evening? Hardball Chris asked the hard questions and then rolled over as Obama scratched his belly... too funny!

Chris asked a follow up saying your Rev. is going to be a problem in the general election and Obama talked twenty minutes about the economy, war, health care and the weather... tooooo funny! Here is another point of view http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WilliamRusher/2008/04/03/the_wright_stuff



Yea, I was waiting for Chris to ask him the really hard question : "When did you realize you were the worlds saviour and decide to run againt the racist right wing hate machine?"

[retiredman]

The Super delegates are being courted by the Clintons - and remember Bill is so good at winning people over. At least that is what libs have told us for ten years

What about MI and FL? Are Dems going to screw them over and not have their votes count?

You have enough problems to worry about MM. I am enjoying this way to much

Bill did a great job on that super delegate from New Mexico that he watched the superbowl with, didn't he?

Again.... one could make a whole lot of money betting against your political predictions, RSR....

and trust me...I ain't worried about a thing. We'll leave Denver with a candidate.... I am pretty sure we'll go TO Denver with a candidate.... and that candidate will win in November because America doesn't want any more Bush clones in the white house. YOur boy has FUCKED your party for 2008...and you STILL swill his koolaid and carry his water!:laugh2:

[Classact]

Bill did a great job on that super delegate from New Mexico that he watched the superbowl with, didn't he?

Again.... one could make a whole lot of money betting against your political predictions, RSR....

and trust me...I ain't worried about a thing. We'll leave Denver with a candidate.... I am pretty sure we'll go TO Denver with a candidate.... and that candidate will win in November because America doesn't want any more Bush clones in the white house. YOur boy has FUCKED your party for 2008...and you STILL swill his koolaid and carry his water!:laugh2:Have you chosen your party's winner yet? Or should I say loser?

[red states rule]

Bill did a great job on that super delegate from New Mexico that he watched the superbowl with, didn't he?

Again.... one could make a whole lot of money betting against your political predictions, RSR....

and trust me...I ain't worried about a thing. We'll leave Denver with a candidate.... I am pretty sure we'll go TO Denver with a candidate.... and that candidate will win in November because America doesn't want any more Bush clones in the white house. YOur boy has FUCKED your party for 2008...and you STILL swill his koolaid and carry his water!:laugh2:

and who was supporting Bill Richardson? :lol:

Keep dreaming happy thoughts MM. The Clintons are more then happy to bust your bubble

As of today the Electoral College map looks pretty damn good for Mccain against both Hillary and Obama

But you do not want to hear about more facts

[retiredman]

and who was supporting Bill Richardson? :lol:

Keep dreaming happy thoughts MM. The Clintons are more then happy to bust your bubble

As of today the Electoral College map looks pretty damn good for Mccain against both Hillary and Obama

But you do not want to hear about more facts


Richardson was always my choice, but I knew from the beginning that he had no chance of being nominated.

And how the electoral map looks today is pretty meaningless, wouldn't you say? Just wait until all that democratic campaign cash can go to attack ads that show McCain admitting that he doesn't understand our economy...or McCain admitting that we will be in Iraq for 100 years...or McCain showing he (like YOU) doesn't understand the difference between a sunni and a shiite, or an arab and a persian. Just wait until the former Hanoi Hilton POWs swiftboat him for signing a confession for the North Vietnamese.... just have him lose his temper once on camera after being nominated. Just wait until election day when all those muscular conservatives like YOU stay home and don't vote for him!

And you really need to understand the difference between your opinions and predictions...and FACTS.

[red states rule]

Richardson was always my choice, but I knew from the beginning that he had no chance of being nominated.

And how the electoral map looks today is pretty meaningless, wouldn't you say? Just wait until all that democratic campaign cash can go to attack ads that show McCain admitting that he doesn't understand our economy...or McCain admitting that we will be in Iraq for 100 years...or McCain showing he (like YOU) doesn't understand the difference between a sunni and a shiite, or an arab and a persian. Just wait until the former Hanoi Hilton POWs swiftboat him for signing a confession for the North Vietnamese.... just have him lose his temper once on camera after being nominated. Just wait until election day when all those muscular conservatives like YOU stay home and don't vote for him!

And you really need to understand the difference between your opinions and predictions...and FACTS.


So polls you like are good - those you don't you ignore

On yur side, I will wait to see how the voters like higher incomes taxes, higher capital gains taxes, higher gas taxes, higher Social Security taxes, more pork, more social programs , increased Federal spending, government run health care, surrender and appeasement to terrorists, and liberal Judges who make up law from the bench

Obama supporers scream how we will unite the country. He can't unite his own party

[Classact]

So polls you like are good - those you don't you ignore

On yur side, I will wait to see how the voters like higher incomes taxes, higher capital gains taxes, higher gas taxes, higher Social Security taxes, more pork, more social programs , increased Federal spending, government run health care, surrender and appeasement to terrorists, and liberal Judges who make up law from the bench

Obama supporers scream how we will unite the country. He can't unite his own partyObama will not be the nominee... when he goes to WV and tries that same tired lie about how the Democrats will promote clean coal technology someone will shoot him. It will be over the hill with Hillary!

[retiredman]

So polls you like are good - those you don't you ignore

On yur side, I will wait to see how the voters like higher incomes taxes, higher capital gains taxes, higher gas taxes, higher Social Security taxes, more pork, more social programs , increased Federal spending, government run health care, surrender and appeasement to terrorists, and liberal Judges who make up law from the bench

Obama supporers scream how we will unite the country. He can't unite his own party

polls are just polls.... and I realize that you will wait for the voters to listen to the democratic agenda and compare it to the last eight years.... and decide if maybe they want a new direction.

Rasmussen seems to indicate that Americans TRUST democrats on nearly all the key issues, and on most, democrats have a double digit lead.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/issues2/trust_importance_on_issues

how do you explain that table?

[red states rule]

Obama will not be the nominee... when he goes to WV and tries that same tired lie about how the Democrats will promote clean coal technology someone will shoot him. It will be over the hill with Hillary!

I jope Hilary gets it. It will rip the Dem party in half. The black vote will stay home or go with McCain

All I want is for this war to go on, and watch the Clintons walk all over the Dem party

[red states rule]

polls are just polls.... and I realize that you will wait for the voters to listen to the democratic agenda and compare it to the last eight years.... and decide if maybe they want a new direction.

Rasmussen seems to indicate that Americans TRUST democrats on nearly all the key issues, and on most, democrats have a double digit lead.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/issues2/trust_importance_on_issues

how do you explain that table?

Wait until the specifics (something Obama has avoided talking about) come out. I want to see Dems explain how with such a rotten economy, and people suffering so badly - how they can justify stealing more of their money with higher taxes :lol:

[retiredman]

Wait until the specifics (something Obama has avoided talking about) come out. I want to see Dems explain how with such a rotten economy, and people suffering so badly - how they can justify stealing more of their money with higher taxes :lol:


I'll be happy to wait for the campaign debates... and those wonderful ads!

Maybe we could get the Vietnamese to send us over the actual signed confession of John McCain to use in one? And that soundbite about "I really don't understand our economy" will never grow old!

[Classact]

I jope Hilary gets it. It will rip the Dem party in half. The black vote will stay home or go with McCain

All I want is for this war to go on, and watch the Clintons walk all over the Dem partyPayback will be a motherf%$#&*

[red states rule]

I'll be happy to wait for the campaign debates... and those wonderful ads!

Maybe we could get the Vietnamese to send us over the actual signed confession of John McCain to use in one? And that soundbite about "I really don't understand our economy" will never grow old!

Once again, you show your support for vets as you do for those on active duty

That ad will piss off alot of voters and drive them toward Mccain.

Party above all else with you

Unlike libs who claim to be experts on everything, McCain admits he need advisors and libs overplay thier hand

[retiredman]

Once again, you show your support for vets as you do for those on active duty

That ad will piss off alot of voters and drive them toward Mccain.

Party above all else with you

Unlike libs who claim to be experts on everything, McCain admits he need advisors and libs overplay thier hand

Don't even dare talk about support of veterans.... you have no room to criticize anyone. And..Did the swiftboat ads piss off a lot of voters and turn them towards Kerry? But after that, I learned my lesson and will play just as dirty as you all did. OH...and the swiftboating is already gearing up:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

And the economy is the most important issue for the voters...and your party's candidate admits he doesnt understand it.

and the war is the second most important issue...the vast majority of Americans want our troops home within a year...and McCain wants them there for a century.

Rasmussen gives dems big leads in nearly all the important issues. America wants a different party in the white house. sorry.

[Classact]

I'll be happy to wait for the campaign debates... and those wonderful ads!

Maybe we could get the Vietnamese to send us over the actual signed confession of John McCain to use in one? And that soundbite about "I really don't understand our economy" will never grow old!Imagine the ads coming from the right regardless who the dems select. They won't need to play them but a couple times and the news will pick up on them and repeat them 24-7 as the left has to explain.

[red states rule]

Don't even dare talk about support of veterans.... you have no room to criticize anyone. And..Did the swiftboat ads piss off a lot of voters and turn them towards Kerry? But after that, I learned my lesson and will play just as dirty as you all did.

And the economy is the most important issue for the voters...and your party's candidate admits he doesnt understand it.

and the war is the second most important issue...the vast majority of Americans want our troops home within a year...and McCain wants them there for a century.

Rasmussen gives dems big leads in nearly all the important issues. America wants a different party in the white house. sorry.

Oh yea, the Dems support the troops. Those terrorists, cold blooded killers, the rapists, the Nazi's, Pol Pot like guys. Yes, your party shows hiow they feel about the US military. So go ahead and try a stupid trick like McCain selling out. Please do it. It will ensure your party crash and burns not only in the race for President, but it might do damage to Congressional races as well

So how will higher taxes on workers and companies help the economy? At least McCain understands higher taxes will not help - it will hurt

Keep pushing for surrender in Iarq MM. Dems have been on an endless loop on that issue for years anyway

[retiredman]

Oh yea, the Dems support the troops. Those terrorists, cold blooded killers, the rapists, the Nazi's, Pol Pot like guys. Yes, your party shows hiow they feel about the US military. So go ahead and try a stupid trick like McCain selling out. Please do it. It will ensure your party crash and burns not only in the race for President, but it might do damage to Congressional races as well

So how will higher taxes on workers and companies help the economy? At least McCain understands higher taxes will not help - it will hurt

Keep pushing for surrender in Iarq MM. Dems have been on an endless loop on that issue for years anyway


answer my question: Did the swiftboat ads cause Americans to turn away from Bush and vote for Kerry??

and once again. Nobody wants to surrender in Iraq. And who would we be surrendering to? If we turned our military encampments and equipment over to the legitimate government of Iraq and left their country to them, who would that be surrendering to?

You never seem to be able to answer that question...just like you never seem to be able to explain how Iran is supposedly backing Al Qaeda or how Al Qaeda will supposedly rule Iraq against the will of the shiite majority and use the oil revenues to run a big AQ training camp..... none of those hairbrained assertions of yours holds water and you know it!

[red states rule]

answer my question: Did the swiftboat ads cause Americans to turn away from Bush and vote for Kerry??

and once again. Nobody wants to surrender in Iraq. And who would we be surrendering to? If we turned our military encampments and equipment over to the legitimate government of Iraq and left their country to them, who would that be surrendering to?

You never seem to be able to answer that question...just like you never seem to be able to explain how Iran is supposedly backing Al Qaeda or how Al Qaeda will supposedly rule Iraq against the will of the shiite majority and use the oil revenues to run a big AQ training camp..... none of those hairbrained assertions of yours holds water and you know it!

Kerry turned the voters against Kerry. He was caught is so many lies about his service, and the classic "I voted for the $87 billion beofre I voted against it"

The picture of him at NASA (I think it was NASA) crawling thriugh a tunnel in an outfit that made him look like a human sprem did wonders

It is surrender. By telling the terrorists when the troops will be pulled, teling the enemy we will leave. is surrender

Iran is looking on in glee at the prospect of appeasement loving libs winning. They will get all they want, and more from the Dems

[retiredman]

Kerry turned the voters against Kerry. He was caught is so many lies about his service, and the classic "I voted for the $87 billion beofre I voted against it"

The picture of him at NASA (I think it was NASA) crawling thriugh a tunnel in an outfit that made him look like a human sprem did wonders

It is surrender. By telling the terrorists when the troops will be pulled, teling the enemy we will leave. is surrender

Iran is looking on in glee at the prospect of appeasement loving libs winning. They will get all they want, and more from the Dems


It is not surrender. Did Britain surrender Palestine in 1948?

and when will you ever explain or retract your goofy Al Qaeda is in cahoots with Iran bullshit?

And when will you explain who, exactly, we would be "surrendering" to if we gave our encampments to the legitimate government of the country?

[red states rule]

It is not surrender. Did Britain surrender Palestine in 1948?

and when will you ever explain or retract your goofy Al Qaeda is in cahoots with Iran bullshit?

And when will you explain who, exactly, we would be "surrendering" to if we gave our encampments to the legitimate government of the country?

Been all through that in the war thread. You keep running around in a circle, and wonder why you keep ending up where you started

[retiredman]

Been all through that in the war thread. You keep running around in a circle, and wonder why you keep ending up where you started

because you refuse to answer questions or stand behind your own assertions.

you make goofy statements all the time - if Joe Lieberman were standing next to you, he'd be spending all day whispering in YOUR ear and getting you to retract them - and you NEVER are willing to defend them.

[red states rule]

because you refuse to answer questions or stand behind your own assertions.

you make goofy statements all the time - if Joe Lieberman were standing next to you, he'd be spending all day whispering in YOUR ear and getting you to retract them - and you NEVER are willing to defend them.

Trying to derail yet another thread MFM?

I understand you can't expalin the Dem platform and how it will imporve things -so you have to try and change the subject

[retiredman]

Trying to derail yet another thread MFM?

I understand you can't expalin the Dem platform and how it will imporve things -so you have to try and change the subject


I believe in the democratic platform. Why would I if I didn't think it would improve things?

I merely point out that you NEVER back up what you say.

[red states rule]

I believe in the democratic platform. Why would I if I didn't think it would improve things?

I merely point out that you NEVER back up what you say.

So how will higher traxes on workers and companies - when the economy is so bad (at least that uis what you guys keep telling us) will improve the economy?

[retiredman]

So how will higher traxes on workers and companies - when the economy is so bad (at least that uis what you guys keep telling us) will improve the economy?

are you suggesting that taxes are never good for the economy? are you suggesting that burgeoning national debt from the war in Iraq and the bridges to nowhere can just go unpaid for? Is that the fiscal responsibility of a muscular conservative?

and we won't pass new taxes on workers...and we will give tax BREAKS tro companies that create jobs HERE and not outsource them.

[red states rule]

are you suggesting that taxes are never good for the economy? are you suggesting that burgeoning national debt from the war in Iraq and the bridges to nowhere can just go unpaid for? Is that the fiscal responsibility of a muscular conservative?

Taxes are not good for the economy. They decrease economic activity, they do not create incentives for investment and risk taking, and they do not inspire companies to expand and hire people

There is less money in the pockets of workers to spend, and less money for companies to hire, invest, and expand

Again, how will higher taxes on worker and companies revive the economy MM. If the economy is the top issue for you guys, how will Dems tax America into prosperity?

[retiredman]

Taxes are not good for the economy. They decrease economic activity, they do not create incentives for investment and risk taking, and they do not inspire companies to expand and hire people

There is less money in the pockets of workers to spend, and less money for companies to hire, invest, and expand

Again, how will higher taxes on worker and companies revive the economy MM. If the economy is the top issue for you guys, how will Dems tax America into prosperity?

we won't pass new taxes on workers and we will give tax BREAKS to companies that create jobs here. Making rich folks pay a few percentage points more in taxes won't hurt the economy... when they WERE paying those few percentage points more during the Clinton years, the economy was booming and tons of new jobs were being created.

Again... the country trusts democrats on the economy...and most of the other key issues... and they are tired of the republicans who have driven the foreign policy into a ditch and the economy into a ditch as well.

Sorry. it must suck to be a republican these days!:laugh2:

[red states rule]

we won't pass new taxes on workers and we will give tax BREAKS to companies that create jobs here. Making rich folks pay a few percentage points more in taxes won't hurt the economy... when they WERE paying those few percentage points more during the Clinton years, the economy was booming and tons of new jobs were being created.

Again... the country trusts democrats on the economy...and most of the other key issues... and they are tired of the republicans who have driven the foreign policy into a ditch and the economy into a ditch as well.

Sorry. it must suck to be a republican these days!:laugh2:

So "rich folks" are not workers? Contractors, self employed people, small business owners who file a 1040 and now "rich folks"

The Bush tax cuts have INCREASED income to the goverment to RECORD LEVELS. So now Dems want to fuck that up with raising taxes

Not only do Dems want to jack up income tax rates, they want to jack up the SS tax rate, capital gains tax rate, higher corporate tax rate, and even a gas tax increase

On top of that $800 billion in new government spending
Yes, that will help economic growth MFM

[retiredman]

So "rich folks" are not workers? Contractors, self employed people, small business owners who file a 1040 and now "rich folks"

The Bush tax cuts have INCREASED income to the goverment to RECORD LEVELS. So now Dems want to fuck that up with raising taxes

Not only do Dems want to jack up income tax rates, they want to jack up the SS tax rate, capital gains tax rate, higher corporate tax rate, and even a gas tax increase

On top of that $800 billion in new government spending
Yes, that will help economic growth MFM


are you denying the economic prosperity of the Clinton years?

and I realize that you don't think that the democrats will be good for the economy.... but I do...and so do a vast majority of Americans.

sorry...sucks to be you.

[red states rule]

are you denying the economic prosperity of the Clinton years?

and I realize that you don't think that the democrats will be good for the economy.... but I do...and so do a vast majority of Americans.

sorry...sucks to be you.

The economy was in recession when Pres Bush took over

Also, the Republcian takeover in 1994 led to lower government spending, which caused the economy to take off

If higher taxes are so damn good MFM, why not take them back to the good ol economic days of Peanut Carter where the top rate was 70%?

[retiredman]

The economy was in recession when Pres Bush took over

Also, the Republcian takeover in 1994 led to lower government spending, which caused the economy to take off

If higher taxes are so damn good MFM, why not take them back to the good ol economic days of Peanut Carter where the top rate was 70%?


You assume some overly simplistic linear relationship between taxes and the health of the economy that does not exist. But RSR and "overly simplistic" go together like cake and ice cream.

and typical republican bullshit.... when it is a democrat it the white house, the good news is always because of the republicans in congress, or the business cycle, and the bad news is because of the democrats...

when a republican is in the white house, the good news is always because of the republican in the white house and the bad news is always because of the business cycle or the democrats in congress! :laugh2::laugh2:

[red states rule]

You assume some overly simplistic linear relationship between taxes and the health of the economy that does not exist. But RSR and "overly simplistic" go together like cake and ice cream.

and typical republican bullshit.... when it is a democrat it the white house, the good news is always because of the republicans in congress, or the business cycle, and the bad news is because of the democrats...

when a republican is in the white house, the good news is always because of the republican in the white house and the bad news is always because of the business cycle or the democrats in congress! :laugh2::laugh2:

I knew you would duck those facts

Still waiting for you to educate all of us on how the Dems can tax Amercia into prosperity

As you always say - I'll wait

[retiredman]

I knew you would duck those facts

Still waiting for you to educate all of us on how the Dems can tax Amercia into prosperity

As you always say - I'll wait

I already did. Return to Clinton tax policies will generate more tax revenues and not hurt the economy. Give tax breaks to companies that create jobs and penalize those who send jobs overseas. give subsidies to alternative energy industries that will create jobs and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

America understands that Bush&Co have fucked our economy and screwed up the war. You guys are on your way out!

and I am still waiting in the other thread for you to explain yourself. Any chance of that happening this year?

[red states rule]

I already did. Return to Clinton tax policies will generate more tax revenues and not hurt the economy. Give tax breaks to companies that create jobs and penalize those who send jobs overseas. give subsidies to alternative energy industries that will create jobs and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

America understands that Bush&Co have fucked our economy and screwed up the war. You guys are on your way out!

and I am still waiting in the other thread for you to explain yourself. Any chance of that happening this year?

When yu increase taxes you reduce revenues. There is no incentive to wrok harded, exannd your company, or to hire people

So you want more government regulation on business who try to flee higher taxes and those who find cheaper ways to do operate their business

Why not drill for the oil we have within the US? One oil find out west will increase our domstic supply by a factor of 10. Plus we have oil in Alaska, and in the Gulf

Again, lower taxes increases revenue. For the last 5 years revenue to DC has gone up by double digits.

[retiredman]

When yu increase taxes you reduce revenues. There is no incentive to wrok harded, exannd your company, or to hire people

So you want more government regulation on business who try to flee higher taxes and those who find cheaper ways to do operate their business

Why not drill for the oil we have within the US? One oil find out west will increase our domstic supply by a factor of 10. Plus we have oil in Alaska, and in the Gulf

Again, lower taxes increases revenue. For the last 5 years revenue to DC has gone up by double digits.


again...for you to claim a simplistic linear relationship between taxes and economic health is ridiculous. If under the Clinton administration's tax rates, there was no incentive to hire people, could you perhaps explain to me why our economy created so damned many jobs during those years?:laugh2:

again...people trust democrats on the economy and they don't trust you guys. That must bug the shit right out of you, doesn't it?

[red states rule]

again...for you to claim a simplistic linear relationship between taxes and economic health is ridiculous. If under the Clinton administration's tax rates, there was no incentive to hire people, could you perhaps explain to me why our economy created so damned many jobs during those years?:laugh2:

again...people trust democrats on the economy and they don't trust you guys. That must bug the shit right out of you, doesn't it?

The economy was not in recession as Clinton claimed when he took office. Republcians took over 2 years later and psending was cut

Welfare reform where people were forced to get a job

So far you have not shown where $2 trillion in new taxes is going to help the economy

Nor have you shown where more government interference on how a company runs it's company is helpful

Or why we should not drill for the oil we have within our own borders

I'll wait

[retiredman]

The economy was not in recession as Clinton claimed when he took office. Republcians took over 2 years later and psending was cut

Welfare reform where people were forced to get a job

So far you have not shown where $2 trillion in new taxes is going to help the economy

Nor have you shown where more government interference on how a company runs it's company is helpful

Or why we should not drill for the oil we have within our own borders

I'll wait

Again...funny spin...all the good stuff during clinton was because of the business cycle and republicans...all the bad stuff during Bush was because of the business cycle and democrats.

ANd clearly, taxes will help to varying degrees based upon where they are spent....if they are spent fixing health care or education or creating new jobs in alternative energy industries, or giving breaks to companies that create jobs here, the results will be positive. If they are spent flushing money (and blood) down the toilet in Iraq or by building bridges to nowhere, then tax revenues are NOT that helpful.

[red states rule]

Again...funny spin...all the good stuff during clinton was because of the business cycle and republicans...all the bad stuff during Bush was because of the business cycle and democrats.

ANd clearly, taxes will help to varying degrees based upon where they are spent....if they are spent fixing health care or education or creating new jobs in alternative energy industries, or giving breaks to companies that create jobs here, the results will be positive. If they are spent flushing money (and blood) down the toilet in Iraq or by building bridges to nowhere, then tax revenues are NOT that helpful.

Thanks for fessing up that you are for tax and spend liberalism, and redistribution of wealth

[Yurt]

what daily hate site are you referring to, oh village idiot?

way to keep up insulting someone's intelligence....my deal with you is off, as i told you it would be if you, as you so elequently stated....deserve it

cry baby hypocrite

[retiredman]

way to keep up insulting someone's intelligence....my deal with you is off, as i told you it would be if you, as you so elequently stated....deserve it

cry baby hypocrite


hmmm... when did actsnoblemartin hire a shyster mouthpiece??

[Yurt]

hmmm... when did actsnoblemartin hire a shyster mouthpiece??

ok, now you are going to bring in people professions....you started this, not me...

i consider your talk with me total BS. as such, i now question the veracity of many things you say, such as being a preacher.

your loss

[red states rule]

ok, now you are going to bring in people professions....you started this, not me...

i consider your talk with me total BS. as such, i now question the veracity of many things you say, such as being a preacher.

your loss

If his "sermons" are anything like his posts he is a white version of Rev Wright

[retiredman]

ok, now you are going to bring in people professions....you started this, not me...

i consider your talk with me total BS. as such, i now question the veracity of many things you say, such as being a preacher.

your loss

started WHAT? Who broke our deal? You or me?

[retiredman]

If his "sermons" are anything like his posts he is a white version of Rev Wright

why say, "if", RSR....there is my latest one from this past sunday posted on the blog.

when will YOU be posting anything on the blog?

Oh yeah... I remember now... the blog has to be your OWN writing, so that would pretty much leave you out, wouldn't it?

[red states rule]

why say, "if", RSR....there is my latest one from this past sunday posted on the blog.

when will YOU be posting anything on the blog?

Oh yeah... I remember now... the blog has to be your OWN writing, so that would pretty much leave you out, wouldn't it?

Still waiting for your economic lesson on how tax and spend liberalism will make America prosper

[retiredman]

Still waiting for your economic lesson on how tax and spend liberalism will make America prosper

I already gave it to you.

and DO check out the blog....let me know what you think.

[red states rule]

I already gave it to you.

and DO check out the blog....let me know what you think.

You gave bumber sticker slogans, other then that it was like reading an Obama speech

[Yurt]

started WHAT? Who broke our deal? You or me?

since you asked...

you complained about me insulting your intelligence after i asked you stop the jewish (veiled) insults everytime you addressed me... you then whined about me insulting your intelligence because "it offends me." i told you that you "deserve" it as you insult other's intelligence...we spoke, and we were going to cut back on the insults...i told you however, that if you deserve it...e.g., if you insult someone's intelligence, making you the hypocrite i said you were, then deal off...

as i said, your loss...i no longer believe the validity of you being a preacher, thus your preaching words have less effect for me...

[hjmick]

Calling someone a "shyster" might be considered libellous.

[retiredman]

since you asked...

you complained about me insulting your intelligence after i asked you stop the jewish (veiled) insults everytime you addressed me... you then whined about me insulting your intelligence because "it offends me." i told you that you "deserve" it as you insult other's intelligence...we spoke, and we were going to cut back on the insults...i told you however, that if you deserve it...e.g., if you insult someone's intelligence, making you the hypocrite i said you were, then deal off...

as i said, your loss...i no longer believe the validity of you being a preacher, thus your preaching words have less effect for me...

I certainly misconstrued our agreement as pertaining only to one another. I had no idea that you were planning on being the guardian protector of everyone else here at DP. But then, I guess you need to continually hone your sleazy ambulance chasing advocacy talents. My mistake.:laugh2:

And don't kid anyone, you were never effected by any of my words so this pronouncement of yours is really without actual merit.

[red states rule]

Calling someone a "shyster" might be considered libellous.

Libellous describes most of his posts

[Yurt]

I certainly misconstrued our agreement as pertaining only to one another. I had no idea that you were planning on being the guardian protector of everyone else here at DP. But then, I guess you need to continually hone your sleazy ambulance chasing advocacy talents. My mistake.:laugh2:

And don't kid anyone, you were never effected by any of my words so this pronouncement of yours is really without actual merit.

i told you that i would honor it, but if you "deserved it" by insulting other people, then the deal was off...remember this whole thing came about because i called you on the fact that you whined like a baby when i teased you but you had no problem doing to others.

continue insulting me over my career, it just proves to everyone what type of person you are. too bad you though your words were meaningless...remember you asked about St. Thomas, well i went back and more closely read your sermon... your loss

libel: shyster would unlikely be considered libel, too common and too much opinion...if he gets more personal, libel is possible. i don't come to this board though to engage in the practice of law, i come to have fun and debate.

[red states rule]

i told you that i would honor it, but if you "deserved it" by insulting other people, then the deal was off...remember this whole thing came about because i called you on the fact that you whined like a baby when i teased you but you had no problem doing to others.

continue insulting me over my career, it just proves to everyone what type of person you are. too bad you though your words were meaningless...remember you asked about St. Thomas, well i went back and more closely read your sermon... your loss

libel: shyster would unlikely be considered libel, too common and too much opinion...if he gets more personal, libel is possible. i don't come to this board though to engage in the practice of law, i come to have fun and debate.

Grand slam home run Yurt

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[retiredman]

i told you that i would honor it, but if you "deserved it" by insulting other people, then the deal was off...remember this whole thing came about because i called you on the fact that you whined like a baby when i teased you but you had no problem doing to others.

continue insulting me over my career, it just proves to everyone what type of person you are. too bad you though your words were meaningless...remember you asked about St. Thomas, well i went back and more closely read your sermon... your loss

libel: shyster would unlikely be considered libel, too common and too much opinion...if he gets more personal, libel is possible. i don't come to this board though to engage in the practice of law, i come to have fun and debate.
1. again...I had no idea that you had assumed the mantle of public defender for everyone on here. Interesting that I have never seen you defend ME against any attacks by others? What's up with that, COUNSELOR?
2. "Reading" words and being "effected by" words are two entirely different things, counselor.
3. you may or may not be a shyster, but you certainly have your adoring fans among the mouth breathers on here as witnessed by the previous post. congratulations, counselor.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

1. again...I had no idea that you had assumed the mantle of public defender for everyone on here. Interesting that I have never seen you defend ME against any attacks by others? What's up with that, COUNSELOR?
2. "Reading" words and being "effected by" words are two entirely different things, counselor.
3. you may or may not be a shyster, but you certainly have your adoring fans among the mouth breathers on here as witnessed by the previous post. congratulations, counselor.:laugh2:

When Yurt is right - he's right

[retiredman]

When Yurt is right - he's right


and you just adore him, don't you? :laugh2:

[red states rule]

and you just adore him, don't you? :laugh2:

I like him

He is not an obnoxous and pompous jackass like you are

He skunked your ass pretty good

[actsnoblemartin]

you have always been a cheap shot artist.

You have never met yurt, and for you to degrade him simply for being a lawyer, when youve never seen or heard anything related to how he practices law is low class, however by your behavior it is more then fair to form an opinion about what kind of preacher you are, a white wright.

Your a no class bum


I certainly misconstrued our agreement as pertaining only to one another. I had no idea that you were planning on being the guardian protector of everyone else here at DP. But then, I guess you need to continually hone your sleazy ambulance chasing advocacy talents. My mistake.:laugh2:

And don't kid anyone, you were never effected by any of my words so this pronouncement of yours is really without actual merit.

[actsnoblemartin]

Yurt is a man of Character, integrity and class. Something you know nothing about, based on your behavior on this board.


and you just adore him, don't you? :laugh2:

[actsnoblemartin]

i would say whiny lil baby

:lol:


Libellous describes most of his posts

[red states rule]

you have always been a cheap shot artist.

You have never met yurt, and for you to degrade him simply for being a lawyer, when youve never seen or heard anything related to how he practices law is low class, however by your behavior it is more then fair to form an opinion about what kind of preacher you are, a white wright.

Your a no class bum

Yurt has totally humilated him, so MFM reacts the only way he can

What else could you expect from him?

[actsnoblemartin]

you mean besides being a little bitch?... nothing


Yurt has totally humilated him, so MFM reacts the only way he can

What else could you expect from him?

[red states rule]

you mean besides being a little bitch?... nothing

You have a firm grasp on the obvious Martin

[actsnoblemartin]

he is about as useless as a muslim without a bomb belt


You have a firm grasp on the obvious Martin

[Yurt]

1. again...I had no idea that you had assumed the mantle of public defender for everyone on here. Interesting that I have never seen you defend ME against any attacks by others? What's up with that, COUNSELOR?2. "Reading" words and being "effected by" words are two entirely different things, counselor.
3. you may or may not be a shyster, but you certainly have your adoring fans among the mouth breathers on here as witnessed by the previous post. congratulations, counselor.:laugh2:


YURT i think MFM has made it clear that he does believe in God and God first, i don't think it is up to us to question someone's faith in God


MFM thank you Yurt.

did you read my Sunday Sermon?

you're just making your hole bigger...:poke:

[red states rule]

you're just making your hole bigger...:poke:

The one is his head? Or the other hole where his brain fell out?

[actsnoblemartin]

I simply thought he talked out of his arse, hee haw hee haw


The one is his head? Or the other hole where his brain fell out?

[retiredman]

you're just making your hole bigger...:poke:
my mistake counselor. YOU did come to my aid on one occasion.

[Yurt]

my mistake counselor. YOU did come to my aid on one occasion.

:dance:

[DragonStryk72]

Frankly, I'm sick of the fight between Obama and Hilary, it has been nothing but divise, and most the party realizes it. Jesus, Obamas is still ahead after everything, and yet, you still have Clinton people saying, "Oh well, he would make an excellent running mate for Hilary" to treat like a punk kid.

Obama meanwhile, going up against clinton, has had to cowboy up, becasue she really will just kick you right in the balls, but now, they're both just screwing themselves, they're not evening spending against McCain, or even treating one another with any sense of decorum. I still remember the debates where John Edwards got forgotten about, so that Hilary and Obama could take extra swipes at each other. It was brawl outside of a Jerry Springer show.

It reflects poorly on the party, and will drive voters away from them. This was supposed to be an absolutely surety for them, and they are pissing it down the toilet cause they can't leave the playground brawl.

[red states rule]

Frankly, I'm sick of the fight between Obama and Hilary, it has been nothing but divise, and most the party realizes it. Jesus, Obamas is still ahead after everything, and yet, you still have Clinton people saying, "Oh well, he would make an excellent running mate for Hilary" to treat like a punk kid.

Obama meanwhile, going up against clinton, has had to cowboy up, becasue she really will just kick you right in the balls, but now, they're both just screwing themselves, they're not evening spending against McCain, or even treating one another with any sense of decorum. I still remember the debates where John Edwards got forgotten about, so that Hilary and Obama could take extra swipes at each other. It was brawl outside of a Jerry Springer show.

It reflects poorly on the party, and will drive voters away from them. This was supposed to be an absolutely surety for them, and they are pissing it down the toilet cause they can't leave the playground brawl.

I find it funny Dems loved the Clintons when they were using these same tactics were used against Republicans

Hillary is going after the pledged delegates, and will close Obama's popular vote lead

I do hope the fight goes all the way to Denver. It will be fun to watch on TV as the Dems implode on live TV

[DragonStryk72]

I find it funny Dems loved the Clintons when they were using these same tactics were used against Republicans

Hillary is going after the pledged delegates, and will close Obama's popular vote lead

I do hope the fight goes all the way to Denver. It will be fun to watch on TV as the Dems implode on live TV

In the end, I don't think the superdelegates are going to side with Clinton, she's gotten too ruthless with tactics, and will be too divise to keep the Dem majority secure. If Obama loses, he won't take the VP alongside Clinton, she done too many dirty tactics, and the Dems will lose a large amount of the minority vote in the process.

[red states rule]

In the end, I don't think the superdelegates are going to side with Clinton, she's gotten too ruthless with tactics, and will be too divise to keep the Dem majority secure. If Obama loses, he won't take the VP alongside Clinton, she done too many dirty tactics, and the Dems will lose a large amount of the minority vote in the process.

Well, I can only hope the Clinton machine uses every low blow, rabbit punch, cheap shot, and strong arm tactic to take the nomination

In the meantime, both Hillary and Obama are spending tons of money, and blooding each other up. Their supporters are going after each other, and top Dems are at each others throat

The longer it goes on, the better

[Yurt]

In the end, I don't think the superdelegates are going to side with Clinton, she's gotten too ruthless with tactics, and will be too divise to keep the Dem majority secure. If Obama loses, he won't take the VP alongside Clinton, she done too many dirty tactics, and the Dems will lose a large amount of the minority vote in the process.

in this particular election? what exactly has she done that is so much worse than bambam?

[red states rule]

in this particular election? what exactly has she done that is so much worse than bambam?

She was involved with a pastor from his church of 20+ years who was a known race-baiter. Then made excuses to avoid taking reponsibility

Oops, wrong liberal

[DragonStryk72]

She was involved with a pastor from his church of 20+ years who was a known race-baiter. Then made excuses to avoid taking reponsibility

Oops, wrong liberal

Well, she has 35 years of experience, you know, except she's only been a senator for a term and a half, with no prior office held.

She's also been under fire from the airport in Bosnia, you know, except for that part where they had a presentation ready for her that included a little girl reading a poem.

Oh, and btw, even though she publically help support NAFTA, she didn't support it (behind-the-scenes), and is only liable for Bill's good decisions while in office.

Oh, and then there was that jackass "3 am" ad, yeah, that was the height of running a campaign with dignity.

I'm not saying Obama has made up for lost time, but he was definitely not the initial agressor in this fight.

[Yurt]

She was involved with a pastor from his church of 20+ years who was a known race-baiter. Then made excuses to avoid taking reponsibility

Oops, wrong liberal

hard to tell them apart, eh


Well, she has 35 years of experience, you know, except she's only been a senator for a term and a half, with no prior office held.

She's also been under fire from the airport in Bosnia, you know, except for that part where they had a presentation ready for her that included a little girl reading a poem.

Oh, and btw, even though she publically help support NAFTA, she didn't support it (behind-the-scenes), and is only liable for Bill's good decisions while in office.

Oh, and then there was that jackass "3 am" ad, yeah, that was the height of running a campaign with dignity.

I'm not saying Obama has made up for lost time, but he was definitely not the initial agressor in this fight.

what say you to your claim? is this going to be ignore number 2 (for at least me) for you?


in this particular election? what exactly has she done that is so much worse than bambam?

if you're going to make bald statements, shouldn't you stick around to back them up when called on it?

[red states rule]

Well, she has 35 years of experience, you know, except she's only been a senator for a term and a half, with no prior office held.

She's also been under fire from the airport in Bosnia, you know, except for that part where they had a presentation ready for her that included a little girl reading a poem.

Oh, and btw, even though she publically help support NAFTA, she didn't support it (behind-the-scenes), and is only liable for Bill's good decisions while in office.

Oh, and then there was that jackass "3 am" ad, yeah, that was the height of running a campaign with dignity.

I'm not saying Obama has made up for lost time, but he was definitely not the initial agressor in this fight.



Obama has ben caught in many lies recenly. Most related to his racust pastor

But here is one where he did not need to lie, but did so anyway


Obama Overstates Kennedys’ Role in Helping His Father.

Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his “very existence” to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. After Caroline Kennedy endorsed his candidacy in January, Newsweek commentator Jonathan Alter reported that she had been struck by the extraordinary way in which “history replays itself” and by how “two generations of two families — separated by distance, culture and wealth — can intersect in strange and wonderful ways.”

It is a touching story — but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.

Contrary to Obama’s claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama’s father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father’s arrival in the United States. He said the Kennedy involvement in the Kenya student program apparently “started 48 years ago, not 49 years ago as Obama has mistakenly suggested in the past.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29449&only&rss

[DragonStryk72]

in this particular election? what exactly has she done that is so much worse than bambam?

You remember where I stated Obama's making up for lost time? The worst Obama has managed is to have an asshole preacher, which isn't him, and isn't his campaign. Clinton has deliberately and knowingly lied because she thought she wouldn't get snagged by it, and only just lying, but lying poorly because she, much like Obama, has only one term of office under her belt at this point, and she doesn't want anyone to catch that.

[DragonStryk72]

Obama has ben caught in many lies recenly. Most related to his racust pastor

But here is one where he did not need to lie, but did so anyway


Obama Overstates Kennedys’ Role in Helping His Father.

Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his “very existence” to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. After Caroline Kennedy endorsed his candidacy in January, Newsweek commentator Jonathan Alter reported that she had been struck by the extraordinary way in which “history replays itself” and by how “two generations of two families — separated by distance, culture and wealth — can intersect in strange and wonderful ways.”

It is a touching story — but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.

Contrary to Obama’s claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama’s father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father’s arrival in the United States. He said the Kennedy involvement in the Kenya student program apparently “started 48 years ago, not 49 years ago as Obama has mistakenly suggested in the past.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29449&only&rss

right, because Obama couldn't possibly have been told something false, not anywhere in his whole life. It's not the same as "I was under fire the moment we got off the plane". One could be an exaggeration by his father passed on to his son (cause lord knows, a dad in the navy would never get caught tellin' sailor stories to his kid), the other is directly and quickly proven lie with a single look at some video tape (Being read poetry by a little girl, not quite the same as being shot at, which I say from the experiences of having been to a poetry reading, and having been shot at).

I mean shit, when that stuff happened, Obama was what, one year old? I highly doubt he was keeping up on current events, or that he studied it extensively, kind of like why I just accept the tales my dad's tells of his youth.

[red states rule]

Amazing the spin, and excuse people make for Obama

He can lie about anything, and they will cover for him

Sure Obama never heard what Wright said, even thiough he sat in the Chiurch for 20 years

Sure Obama never knew what a racist he was, even though Wright was his advisor and friend

Sure Obama first said Grandma was hassled by a black panhandler in his book, then iin his speech he calls her a racist and a typcial white person, Just a mere detail

Sure Obama can lie about the Kennedy's - someone else told him the story Obama never bothered during his life to verify the story before he repeated it for the recordZ He is too busy running for Preident of th US

Sure Ms Obama can call America ignorant. She was never proud of the US until her hubby started winning elections. She called he white cklassmates white oppressors

Again, details, detaiils, details

[theHawk]

we won't pass new taxes on workers and we will give tax BREAKS to companies that create jobs here.

Oil companies create a lot of jobs right here in America. Yet all I have heard from Dems is that they want to increase taxes on them.

So which is it?

[red states rule]

Oil companies create a lot of jobs right here in America. Yet all I have heard from Dems is that they want to increase taxes on them.

So which is it?

It is billions in new taxes


House OKs $18B in New Taxes on Oil Companies
Wednesday, February 27, 2008

WASHINGTON — The House has approved $18 billion in new taxes on the largest oil companies.

The money collected over 10 years is intended to provide tax breaks for wind, solar and other alternative energy sources and for energy conservation.

The measure passed by the House by a 236-182 vote Wednesday as lawmakers cited record oil prices and rising gasoline costs.

Senate Democratic leaders say they will put the bill on a fast track and try to avoid a Republican filibuster. The White House says the bill unfairly singles out the oil industry. President Bush is expected to veto the legislation if it passes Congress.

Rep Jim McDermott, D-Wash., urged lawmakers to "stop the madness of subsidizing oil companies" when the industry earned $123 billion last year.

"Gas prices have been soaring," added Rep. Richard Neal, D-Mass., noting that across much of the country people are "struggling to pay energy costs that have skyrocketed in a harsh winter."

But Republicans contended the tax provisions would reduce investment in oil and gas development and lead to higher prices.... "This bill singles out one industry," complained Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas.

for the complete article

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333228,00.html

[theHawk]

Amazing the spin, and excuse people make for Obama

He can lie about anything, and they will cover for him

Sure Obama never heard what Wright said, even thiough he sat in the Chiurch for 20 years

Sure Obama never knew what a racist he was, even though Wright was his advisor and friend

Sure Obama first said Grandma was hassled by a black panhandler in his book, then iin his speech he calls her a racist and a typcial white person, Just a mere detail

Sure Obama can lie about the Kennedy's - someone else told him the story Obama never bothered during his life to verify the story before he repeated it for the recordZ He is too busy running for Preident of th US

Sure Ms Obama can call America ignorant. She was never proud of the US until her hubby started winning elections. She called he white cklassmates white oppressors

Again, details, detaiils, details

And thats just scratching the surface of his personality and "superior judgement". Wait until the general election and we get into his ultra liberal voting record, like fighting tooth and nail to prevent a law cracking down on infanticide.

[red states rule]

And thats just scratching the surface of his personality and "superior judgement". Wait until the general election and we get into his ultra liberal voting record, like fighting tooth and nail to prevent a law cracking down on infanticide.

Hillary has a similar resume, but the Obama folks want to throw Hillary under the bus - and make Obaba the driver

The same standards these people hold Republicans to when it comes to racism, check it at the door as they enter the Church of Obama and kneel at his alter

[Yurt]

You remember where I stated Obama's making up for lost time? The worst Obama has managed is to have an asshole preacher, which isn't him, and isn't his campaign. Clinton has deliberately and knowingly lied because she thought she wouldn't get snagged by it, and only just lying, but lying poorly because she, much like Obama, has only one term of office under her belt at this point, and she doesn't want anyone to catch that.

you were talking about them fighting each other....so i asked what exactly has she done that is worse than him with regards to "dirty tactics" that you mentioned

[red states rule]

you were talking about them fighting each other....so i asked what exactly has she done that is worse than him with regards to "dirty tactics" that you mentioned

Try nothing. Hillary and Obama have both played the race card. Both are trying to divide the Dem party. Both will do anything to win

I dio not see where Hillary has been worse then Obama

As far as their policies, they are pretty much the same

[Yurt]

Try nothing. Hillary and Obama have both played the race card. Both are trying to divide the Dem party. Both will do anything to win

I dio not see where Hillary has been worse then Obama

As far as their policies, they are pretty much the same

i agree. both would do this country harm if elected.

[red states rule]

i agree. both would do this country harm if elected.

but the left is all for more socialism and a Karl Marx type government

[retiredman]

i agree. both would do this country harm if elected.
when one of them does get elected in november, will you leave?

[Yurt]

when one of them does get elected in november, will you leave?

already lived overseas for a year...it was great...however, there is nothing like this country on this planet. canada is close, but not the same. since you are considering mexico upon your retirement, let me tell you why i left:

1994 and was coming of "age" 21. i was sick and tired of the "american" "life", i wanted change. i thought this country was immoral, and that technology (the internet just happened when i left in aug 05) was resposnible for rapidly accelerating our decline. so i picked an island in the middle of the pacific ocean....no electricity, running water, nothing, just life and living.

fell in love with with the "simple" lifestyle. funny thing though, the island residents who i thought would be superior to me in terms of morality and thinking, well, they take the cake on human sins -- jealousy, fighting, what not, they are the same as us. and i could not blame "society" or some past wrong (as you so often do) for their faults............their remoteness made such thoughts silly.

we are human and no matter what land/country you go to, you will find yourself.........more humans.

comprende?

[retiredman]

already lived overseas for a year...it was great...however, there is nothing like this country on this planet. canada is close, but not the same. since you are considering mexico upon your retirement, let me tell you why i left:

1994 and was coming of "age" 21. i was sick and tired of the "american" "life", i wanted change. i thought this country was immoral, and that technology (the internet just happened when i left in aug 05) was resposnible for rapidly accelerating our decline. so i picked an island in the middle of the pacific ocean....no electricity, running water, nothing, just life and living.

fell in love with with the "simple" lifestyle. funny thing though, the island residents who i thought would be superior to me in terms of morality and thinking, well, they take the cake on human sins -- jealousy, fighting, what not, they are the same as us. and i could not blame "society" or some past wrong (as you so often do) for their faults............their remoteness made such thoughts silly.

we are human and no matter what land/country you go to, you will find yourself.........more humans.

comprende?


Si. I am leaving America, not because I no longer love her, but because the cost of living, the quality of the healthcare, and the climate are all more to my liking in Mexico.

[red states rule]

[QUOTE=manfrommaine;226735]Si. I am leaving America,



Happy days are here again

[red states rule]

when one of them does get elected in november, will you leave?

Perhaps you should ask the libs who promised they would leave if Pres Bush was elected, why the hell they are still here

[retiredman]

Perhaps you should ask the libs who promised they would leave if Pres Bush was elected, why the hell they are still here


you go ahead. It doesn't bother me that they stayed.

My question is whether or not you republicans will leave when Obama takes the oath?

[red states rule]

you go ahead. It doesn't bother me that they stayed.

My question is whether or not you republicans will leave when Obama takes the oath?

Unlike you libs, we do not act like spoiled little brats when we lose an elections

We do not rant about it being stolen and have a non stop 4 or 8 year temper tanturm

Not surprised you do not hold your fellow moonbats accountable to what they said - or they lied

Runs in the politcal family dosent it MFM?

[retiredman]

Unlike you libs, we do not act like spoiled little brats when we lose an elections

We do not rant about it being stolen and have a non stop 4 or 8 year temper tanturm

Not surprised you do not hold your fellow moonbats accountable to what they said - or they lied

Runs in the politcal family dosent it MFM?

so you will stick around and be part of the solution when Obama is president?

[red states rule]

so you will stick around and be part of the solution when Obama is president?

You are assuming he can get past Clinton Inc, and the voters elect a black racist who has a severe case of Hate Whitey Syndrome

[retiredman]

You are assuming he can get past Clinton Inc, and the voters elect a black racist who has a severe case of Hate Whitey Syndrome

I do. My question is: if he DOES win, are you saying that you will be willing to work with the new democratic administration and try to be part of the solution, or will you be part of the problem?

[red states rule]

I do. My question is: if he DOES win, are you saying that you will be willing to work with the new democratic administration and try to be part of the solution, or will you be part of the problem?

Big IF MFM

I will be as willing to work with them in the same spirit as the Dems have been willing to work with the Bush administration

[retiredman]

Big IF MFM

I will be as willing to work with them in the same spirit as the Dems have been willing to work with the Bush administration

so your claims of being somehow BETTER than democrats are pretty much bullshit, eh?

[red states rule]

so your claims of being somehow BETTER than democrats are pretty much bullshit, eh?

So are you admitting the Dems have done nothing but try to undermne the Bush administration?

Damn, you may be kicked out of your party for telling the truth

[retiredman]

So are you admitting the Dems have done nothing but try to undermne the Bush administration?

Damn, you may be kicked out of your party for telling the truth

I never admitted any such thing. you need to learn how to read for comprehension.

[red states rule]

I never admitted any such thing. you need to learn how to read for comprehension.

True, you never fess up to the truth

I will support a Pres Obama as you, BP. TM. Gabby, and Joe Steele have supported Pres Bush for the last 8 years

Obama will unite the country as well as he has united the Dem party MFM

[retiredman]

True, you never fess up to the truth

I will support a Pres Obama as you, BP. TM. Gabby, and Joe Steele have supported Pres Bush for the last 8 years

Obama will unite the country as well as he has united the Dem party MFM

YOur prognostications about Obama are as worthless - and your record of political prognostication is really bad.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

YOur prognostications about Obama are as worthless - and your record of political prognostication is really bad.:laugh2:

He is not only a tax and spend liberal who hates whitey

[retiredman]

He is not only a tax and spend liberal who hates whitey


does it even MATTER what anyone ever SAYS on here? It seems as if you never even read what I write, but only use my posts as an opportunity to post something else that you want to say.

[red states rule]

does it even MATTER what anyone ever SAYS on here? It seems as if you never even read what I write, but only use my posts as an opportunity to post something else that you want to say.

You ignore the fact he is a racist

You ignore the fact he is a tax and spend liberal

All that matters to you - he is a liberal Dem and that is good enough for you to suport him regardless of the facts and the truth

[Kathianne]

does it even MATTER what anyone ever SAYS on here? It seems as if you never even read what I write, but only use my posts as an opportunity to post something else that you want to say.

You've done the same, so you can't complain.

[red states rule]

You've done the same, so you can't complain.

He has, and he will anyway

[retiredman]

You've done the same, so you can't complain.


I disagree. I always try to have a dialog with RSR.

But I am sure that RSR is glad that you have come to his defense... he certainly needs all the help he can get.

[red states rule]

I disagree. I always try to have a dialog with RSR.

But I am sure that RSR is glad that you have come to his defense... he certainly needs all the help he can get.

Now you have an outbreak of spin, lies, and insults

To ytou that may be a dialog - but to me it is an example of hom libs deabte and how they show their tolerance

[Kathianne]

I disagree. I always try to have a dialog with RSR.

But I am sure that RSR is glad that you have come to his defense... he certainly needs all the help he can get.

Whoops, you forgot something:


It seems as if you never even read what I write, but only use my posts as an opportunity to post something else that you want to say. Yep, you've done it with mine, not going for RSR.

[red states rule]

From the American Thinker. There is a way to save the Dem party



The only way to save the Democratic Party
Jeff Dobbs


The race for the Democratic presidential nomination is a quagmire.

It is a civil war.

It is fratricidal.

It is an act of hara-kiri.

It is a murder-suicide.

No matter which of its two remaining candidates secures the nomination, there appears to be no good end possible for the Democratic Party.

Or is there?

The problem is - over the last eight years the Democratic Party has completely given itself over to unrestrained hatred. Hatred is not something you can just switch on and off. Once you allow yourself to be consumed by it - hatred must find a place to go.

Hatred abhors a vacuum.

Now that George W. Bush is no longer a participant in a presidential election, Democrats have lost the unifying locus of their hatred, and that hatred has found its place in being hurled upon the Democratic Party's own candidates.

The result of this tragic situation leaves the Democratic Party with only one viable option:

Repeal the Twenty-Second Amendment

Democrats everywhere should be working feverishly to ensure that President Bush can be placed on the ballot.

Yes, it has come to this.

The only person who can save the Democratic Party is George W. Bush.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/the_only_way_to_save_the_democ.html