Ultimate Fights Expand to Include Kids

[Pale Rider]

I'm sorry... but this is just freagin' stupid...



Ultimate Fights Expand to Include Kids



Mar 27 08:53 AM US/Eastern
By MARCUS KABEL
Associated Press Writer

CARTHAGE, Mo. (AP) - Ultimate fighting was once the sole domain of burly men who beat each other bloody in anything-goes brawls on pay-per-view TV.
But the sport often derided as "human cockfighting" is branching out.

The bare-knuckle fights are now attracting competitors as young as 6 whose parents treat the sport as casually as wrestling, Little League or soccer.

The changes were evident on a recent evening in southwest Missouri, where a team of several young boys and one girl grappled on gym mats in a converted garage.

Two members of the group called the "Garage Boys Fight Crew" touched their thin martial-arts gloves in a flash of sportsmanship before beginning a relentless exchange of sucker punches, body blows and swift kicks.

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[theHawk]

Yes, heaven forbid we teach children to stand up and fight for themselves. They should be brought up completely pacified to fit in with the nation of pussies this country has become.

[JohnDoe]

Yes, heaven forbid we teach children to stand up and fight for themselves. They should be brought up completely pacified to fit in with the nation of pussies this country has become.


As opposed to teaching them to be extremely aggressive and tear eachother apart, no holds barred basically, breaking childhood bones in the process, leaving possible long term negative affects? Really?

:poke:

jd

[Hagbard Celine]

Yes, heaven forbid we teach children to stand up and fight for themselves. They should be brought up completely pacified to fit in with the nation of pussies this country has become.

Then put them in karate class. It's abusive for parents to let their kids participate in this. I'd even go so far as to say that partaking in this level of violence could screw up their mental development. Not to mention the heightened risk of injury.

[Mr. P]

This is just plain SICK!

[theHawk]

As opposed to teaching them to be extremely aggressive and tear eachother apart, no holds barred basically, breaking childhood bones in the process, leaving possible long term negative affects? Really?

:poke:

jd


Its not "no holds barred" and I doubt instructors would allow the kids to "tear each other up" like the pros do in real matches. Its a sport that combines kickboxing and wrestling. You guys are overreacting.



We're not training them for dog fighting," said Bloomer, a 34-year- old construction contractor. "As a parent, I'd much rather have my kids here learning how to defend themselves and getting positive reinforcement than out on the streets."

Bloomer said the sport has evolved since the no-holds-barred days by adding weight classes to better match opponents and banning moves such as strikes to the back of the neck and head, groin kicking and head butting.


Most kids like to play around by fighting/wrestling with each other. Trying to ban that is as stupid as prohibition of alcohol. At elast this way its controlled as a sport with adults as instructors.

[theHawk]

Then put them in karate class. It's abusive for parents to let their kids participate in this. I'd even go so far as to say that partaking in this level of violence could screw up their mental development. Not to mention the heightened risk of injury.

Have any proof to back those statements up?

Have any proof that the sport is a more "heightened risk of injury" compared to boxing or football?

Or that it will "screw up their mental development"?

[Mr. P]

Its not "no holds barred" and I doubt instructors would allow the kids to "tear each other up" like the pros do in real matches. Its a sport that combines kickboxing and wrestling. You guys are overreacting.




Most kids like to play around by fighting/wrestling with each other. Trying to ban that is as stupid as prohibition of alcohol. At elast this way its controlled as a sport with adults as instructors.

Missouri appears to be the only state in the nation that explicitly allows the youth fights. In many states, it is a misdemeanor for children to participate.
Who's overreacting? It's a no brainer, it's sick.

Dog fights and cock fights are controlled by adults too. Adult control makes it no less irresponsible.

[Hagbard Celine]

Have any proof to back those statements up?

Have any proof that the sport is a more "heightened risk of injury" compared to boxing or football?

Or that it will "screw up their mental development"?

Hell yes there's proof that engaging in violence on a regular basis breeds erratic behavior and that fighting increases the risk of injury. Is your post a joke?

[Pale Rider]

Yes, heaven forbid we teach children to stand up and fight for themselves. They should be brought up completely pacified to fit in with the nation of pussies this country has become.

Teaching children to no holds barred beat the living shit out of each other has no positive effects what so ever. What kind of a world do you want to live in anyway? This is the most brutal sport on the planet, and should be barred for adults as well. It's senseless. Yeah what a great day when you teach your little kid to beat other kids to a bloody pulp. You've really made a great contribution to the world and to him. What a warped outlook on life.

Standing up and fighting for what's right has absolutely NOTHING to do with beating someone else bloody for sport.

[theHawk]

Teaching children to no holds barred beat the living shit out of each other has no positive effects what so ever. What kind of a world do you want to live in anyway? This is the most brutal sport on the planet, and should be barred for adults as well. It's senseless. Yeah what a great day when you teach your little kid to beat other kids to a bloody pulp. You've really made a great contribution to the world and to him. What a warped outlook on life.

Standing up and fighting for what's right has absolutely NOTHING to do with beating someone else bloody for sport.

If you bothered reading my post or the article, the understanding is that its not letting "kids beat each other to a pulp". UF is just a combination of kickboxing and wrestling. There is something wrong with that?


No blood was shed. And both competitors wore protective gear.

[theHawk]

Hell yes there's proof that engaging in violence on a regular basis breeds erratic behavior and that fighting increases the risk of injury. Is your post a joke?

Is yours a joke? You failed to answer my questions....

[Hagbard Celine]

Is yours a joke? You failed to answer my questions....

You're a moron.

[theHawk]

You're a moron.

Haggy, can you even provide any proof that kids doing martial arts or wrestling do harm to their "mental growth" or cause more injury than the kids doing little league football? These kids aren't doing "ulitimate fighting" like what we see on TV, its a kiddie version that is no more harmful than karate or judo.

[Pale Rider]

If you bothered reading my post or the article, the understanding is that its not letting "kids beat each other to a pulp". UF is just a combination of kickboxing and wrestling. There is something wrong with that?

"If I bothered reading the article?" Yes... I'm in the habit of posting things I don't read... :uhoh:


But the bout reflected the decidedly younger face of ultimate fighting. The trend alarms medical experts and sports officials who worry that young bodies can't withstand the pounding.

It's brutal... and parents getting their kids into this are making excuses. It's also AGAINST THE LAW in many states. Wonder why...

[theHawk]

So should they ban karate, judo, and boxing?

[Monkeybone]

So should they ban karate, judo, and boxing?

also footbal, soccer and wrestling.

[hjmick]

Be careful what you suggest, they have banned dodgeball in many schools.

[theHawk]

also footbal, soccer and wrestling.

Nanny-state, here we come! :laugh2:

[Mr. P]

So should they ban karate, judo, and boxing?


also footbal, soccer and wrestling.

Nope...cus these are not "sports" or programs that promote the destruction of another individual..(Football could be questioned) but...the rest are sport or self defense programs.

Why is it called "Extreme"?

[theHawk]

Why is it called "Extreme"?

Probably because people overreact to it.

[Monkeybone]

Nope...cus these are not "sports" or programs that promote the destruction of another individual..(Football could be questioned) but...the rest are sport or self defense programs.

Why is it called "Extreme"?

it's X-TREME!!!...like that.

and i can see your point. i can see both points of this argument. this is the kind where i am sorta on the fence. should youngs kids be learning this? no..no points. allow older ones to? sure..why not? like in the article, teach them how to fight should the need arise (until they get hit without a head gaurd or the fighting gloves on) and the discipline of atleast stopping.

in a ways, it would be just like Karate class

[Hagbard Celine]

it's X-TREME!!!...like that.

and i can see your point. i can see both points of this argument. this is the kind where i am sorta on the fence. should youngs kids be learning this? no..no points. allow older ones to? sure..why not? like in the article, teach them how to fight should the need arise (until they get hit without a head gaurd or the fighting gloves on) and the discipline of atleast stopping.

in a ways, it would be just like Karate class

Except that karate and judo have a philosophy behind them of non-violence. Real Martial Arts are only supposed to used as self defense or in the defense of another. It's all about zen and mastering your body and mind. X-Treme Cage Fighting is nothing but a glorification of violence and teaching children to behave this way isn't healthy.

[Pale Rider]

Except that karate and judo have a philosophy behind them of non-violence. Real Martial Arts are only supposed to used as self defense or in the defense of another. It's all about zen and mastering your body and mind. X-Treme Cage Fighting is nothing but a glorification of violence and teaching children to behave this way isn't healthy.

By golly Hag, you made that point rather matter of factly. :clap:

[theHawk]

X-Treme Cage Fighting is nothing but a glorification of violence and teaching children to behave this way isn't healthy.

If thats what it is then I'd object to it. But UF has really been tamed down to just being another martial art.

[Monkeybone]

Be careful what you suggest, they have banned dodgeball in many schools.

that's because Dodgeball is a sport seperation, degredation, and humilation. a time for the stronger to pick on the weak and frail.

[Monkeybone]

Except that karate and judo have a philosophy behind them of non-violence. Real Martial Arts are only supposed to used as self defense or in the defense of another. It's all about zen and mastering your body and mind. X-Treme Cage Fighting is nothing but a glorification of violence and teaching children to behave this way isn't healthy.

and i totally agree with ya there Hag. i was just talking about the affects on the body part.

but's it isn't like they are using these kids like in a dog fight. they are teaching the rules and everything, just not letting go at it.

[Mr. P]

it's X-TREME!!!...like that.

and i can see your point. i can see both points of this argument. this is the kind where i am sorta on the fence. should youngs kids be learning this? no..no points. allow older ones to? sure..why not? like in the article, teach them how to fight should the need arise (until they get hit without a head gaurd or the fighting gloves on) and the discipline of atleast stopping.

in a ways, it would be just like Karate class

That shows ya what I know about it. Honestly, I just saw this last week for the first time on late at night. It was adult men, but I was appalled it even goes on! Ok, lets assume it's a sport....

Now....we have Pro ball, baseball, football bassetball, and little league, pee wee league..etc to teach kids how to play ball, be fair, be part of a team and so forth. All good IMO. Is this X-TREME stuff what we really want to teach our youth to emulate, how to beat the shit outta someone else, with that being the goal? I don't see this as another marshal art at all, or a sport..it's pure violence, plain an simple.

[Abbey Marie]

it's X-TREME!!!...like that.

and i can see your point. i can see both points of this argument. this is the kind where i am sorta on the fence. should youngs kids be learning this? no..no points. allow older ones to? sure..why not? like in the article, teach them how to fight should the need arise (until they get hit without a head gaurd or the fighting gloves on) and the discipline of atleast stopping.

in a ways, it would be just like Karate class

Sorry, MB, but this sounds nothing like Karate class. Hag's description of the difference between the two is spot on.

And what in god's name is a little girl doing fighting in there?

[Monkeybone]

understandable to all of the replies. and i ain't saying that they are exactly the same.does everyone follow those 'non-violent' philosophy? no they don't.

martial arts teaches discipline. so does this.
It looks violent until you realize this teaches discipline. One of the first rules they learn is that this is not for aggressive behavior outside (the ring)," said Larry Swinehart, a Joplin police officer and father of two boys and the lone girl in the garage group. they don't let them go at it until one falls over. they are learning control.

not like their parents are just putting them in the garage and letting them go at it. they are being taught and coached.
The 11 boys and one girl on the team range from 6 to 14 years old and are trained by Rudy Lindsey, a youth wrestling coach and a professional mixed martial arts heavyweight.

and it is nothing compared to UF and the others. these kids are protected, just like in karate or judo (which also doesn't have protection all of the time)
the children wear protective headgear, shin guards, groin protection and martial-arts gloves.

and again, it's not like the readl UF in that the rounds are shorter and they restriced when their oppenent is on the ground
They fight quick, two-minute bouts. Rules also prohibit any elbow blows and blows to the head when an opponent is on the ground.

this isn't anything like the "bare knuckled cage fighting on level with cock/dog fighting" that the title makes it out to be. am i agreeing with it? not really. would i let my kid (if i had one) do it? not till he was atleast in highschool.

but am i calling it sick and saying that it is a horrible thing? no. it is another sport. it is monitored closely. better than having the kids sit around watching TV or playing video games and doing nothing. atleast they are moving around.

and with the girl in it...i don't know. that is just plain weird. i remember when a girl was part of this wrestling program that i was in....jsut....awkward. get the match over fast. wrong....

[JohnDoe]

What gets the crowd going though? What gets the chanting and the praise?

Even if it does have some safety measures built in, making this less on the edge of being barbaric, it reminds me of the extreme games/sports of the gladiator days, with the Romans in the crowd getting louder and more excited as the sport or game became more vicious, barbaric, and extreme.

I don't see it as a SPORT at all....there is no need to support an extreme "fight" as this and i see no benefit for children that could not be gotten from other much less extreme games or sports.

What is the "fun" in this sport or game or fight?

jd

[Mr. P]

... better than having the kids sit around watching TV or playing video games and doing nothing. atleast they are moving around.

....
I just happen to see a segment this morning on this... a proponent (adult) said the exact same thing. Sorry, but getting kids off the coach is no justification for them trying to beat the piss outta each other.

This is sick shit and should be TOTALLY rejected by any responsible society.

[Monkeybone]

I just happen to see a segment this morning on this... a proponent (adult) said the exact same thing. Sorry, but getting kids off the coach is no justification for them trying to beat the piss outta each other.

This is sick shit and should be TOTALLY rejected by any responsible society.

understandable. not saying that it is justification. that sorta just came out, probably cuz i am bored at work and sitting around. this is why i said an age limit. if kids wanna do this, why should we stop them? but at the same time, with these kids, how do we know they ain't just doing this because daddy wants me to.

[Monkeybone]

What gets the crowd going though? What gets the chanting and the praise?

Even if it does have some safety measures built in, making this less on the edge of being barbaric, it reminds me of the extreme games/sports of the gladiator days, with the Romans in the crowd getting louder and more excited as the sport or game became more vicious, barbaric, and extreme.

I don't see it as a SPORT at all....there is no need to support an extreme "fight" as this and i see no benefit for children that could not be gotten from other much less extreme games or sports.

What is the "fun" in this sport or game or fight?

jd

in that light JD, we should stop kids form boxing and play Rugby as well. i am not a watcher of the UF and other fighting shows. i have watched them, but just kinda like meh. in a ways, it isn't just the beating of the other. it is in the technique and statagy that i kinda liked about it. but in that light you also have they ppl that just love the poundings more than anything else.

[JohnDoe]

I suppose you are right and their is a technique or a strategy to beat the socks off your opponent with this game as well.... But I am also certain even more viciously bloody and brutal games could be created also... that also will have a strategy and technical moves that can be admired, but this does not give reason to allow them...

I am not saying that this gaming is one of them, just that a game having a technique or a strategy to the win of it, or a winner, doesn't necessarily give credence to the game...like I mentioned, gladiator games would not be appropriate for today.

I guess I would have to weigh the benefits to the negatives.... What are we teaching our youth via these games?

I don't see boxing or wrestling in the same manner....I see them as mild, and a sport....that sometimes is too much for me to take...especially the professional adult boxing matches, i have to turn the channel! :)

[gabosaurus]

I view "ultimate fighting" as obscene and pornographic. Placing kids in the action should be classified as kiddie porn.

[Abbey Marie]

I view "ultimate fighting" as obscene and pornographic. Placing kids in the action should be classified as kiddie porn.

I think you are inside my head. Gab. That's the way I see it, too.

[DragonStryk72]

that's because Dodgeball is a sport seperation, degredation, and humilation. a time for the stronger to pick on the weak and frail.

just make sure to pick the bigger kids for your team

[DragonStryk72]

Okay, first off, having been in karate tournaments previously:

1. hits are for contact ONLY, not for causing pain, and there are trained referees (multiple), plus multiple first aid crews on the floor during the bout. this isn't kids just wailing on each other, you are barred from, and this is not a complete list: illegal contact to the knees, throat, groin, or head.

2. You are trained for months if not years before you ever touch that mat, in how to throw a punch and kick for contact, not for the purpose of causing pain. There is a difference, and these kids are going to get seriously injured trying to play full-bore like that.

3. You are taught a code of conduct by the dojo, ensuring that you fully understand that there is a right way and a wrong way to fight.