O8 Election could cause a third party

[Classact]

If the Democratic Party ditches Obama for Hillary the Black Caucus could break away from the Democratic Party and affiliate with the far left as described by Rev. Wright and Moveon.org. This would require the Democratic Party to re-identify itself into a more moderate party?

Imagine a general election where we have McCain, Hillary and then in the new party Obama/McKinney with the far left supporting Obama with Hollywood far left backing leaving the Democratic Party short on funds.

Could this happen?

[theHawk]

Its quite possible. We could also see a true conservative party form since so many are displeased with McCain. That could lead us to a four party system. A left-wingnut type lead by the Rev. Wright anti-American types like Obama, a Democratic Party lead by corrupt socialist pigs like Hillary, a Republican Party lead by the erase-our-borders globalist types like Bush/McCain, and a conservative party that actually protects the Constitution.

[MtnBiker]

I doubt it, the black caucuas knows that in itself does not have much political power. The power of the black caucaus come from leverage within the democrat party.

[mundame]

If the Democratic Party ditches Obama for Hillary the Black Caucus could break away from the Democratic Party and affiliate with the far left as described by Rev. Wright and Moveon.org. This would require the Democratic Party to re-identify itself into a more moderate party?

Imagine a general election where we have McCain, Hillary and then in the new party Obama/McKinney with the far left supporting Obama with Hollywood far left backing leaving the Democratic Party short on funds.

Could this happen?

I assumed there would be a third party/independent run in this election and am amazed there hasn't been. I was even wondering something like you are, whether a party could vanish in a realignment like in Lincoln's time when Whigs were replaced by Republicans (which were then highly liberal in modern terms).

I think what has happened is that Obama IS the effective "third party" candidate. He was not expected; as late as this past December Hillary was expected to cruise to an easy win. Obama is the charismatic, new-view candidate like Ross Perot, like Eugene McCarthy. Like McCarthy, he has the excited and passionate attention of youth ------ which may or may not matter; McCarthy didn't win, after all.

All the same, I'd love to see a realignment in which one party (I don't care which) is replaced by Libertarians, which I suspect is the most popular political philosophy in America, but they don't seem to be able to field credible candidates yet.

[PostmodernProphet]

I would expect no new party to succeed that existed on the extremes of either of the existing ones......the only possibility of a successful new party would be the moderates in between, forcing the existing parties outward......

[mundame]

I would expect no new party to succeed that existed on the extremes of either of the existing ones......the only possibility of a successful new party would be the moderates in between, forcing the existing parties outward......

Right, I agree. A Libertarian Party would be faced by a DemGOP party; both still moderate but realigned along a different dimension, the issue of power and size of government.

[PostmodernProphet]

Right, I agree. A Libertarian Party would be faced by a DemGOP party; both still moderate but realigned along a different dimension, the issue of power and size of government.

with apologies to the Libertarians among us, that party will never succeed....if it had a chance it would have shown some progress in the last thirty years..........

[5stringJeff]

with apologies to the Libertarians among us, that party will never succeed....if it had a chance it would have shown some progress in the last thirty years..........

Actually, it has shown progress. It organized libertarians in the country, and has elected members to local offices.

And for everyone complaining about not having a third party, it will never happen if you keep voting for the Dem or GOP candidate.

[Yurt]

Actually, it has shown progress. It organized libertarians in the country, and has elected members to local offices.

And for everyone complaining about not having a third party, it will never happen if you keep voting for the Dem or GOP candidate.

that is true

[Dilloduck]

Actually, it has shown progress. It organized libertarians in the country, and has elected members to local offices.

And for everyone complaining about not having a third party, it will never happen if you keep voting for the Dem or GOP candidate.

I'd like to believe that but we are dependent on our economy and those who control it have subtley presented themselves as our only choices. They own the methods necessary for a viable new party to arise. I don't think we can filibuster our way into change.

[mundame]

Actually, it has shown progress. It organized libertarians in the country, and has elected members to local offices.

And for everyone complaining about not having a third party, it will never happen if you keep voting for the Dem or GOP candidate.


Okay. I'm not voting for McCain or Obama. Someone on another forum said I don't have to stay home, I could go and vote for a third party candidate as a protest. I think that's a good idea and I'll vote Libertarian, if a Hillary vote isn't available.

[MtnBiker]

Actually in the long run a third party is unlikely to happen, rather one of the current parties would collapse and a new party would emerge.

[DragonStryk72]

I assumed there would be a third party/independent run in this election and am amazed there hasn't been. I was even wondering something like you are, whether a party could vanish in a realignment like in Lincoln's time when Whigs were replaced by Republicans (which were then highly liberal in modern terms).

I think what has happened is that Obama IS the effective "third party" candidate. He was not expected; as late as this past December Hillary was expected to cruise to an easy win. Obama is the charismatic, new-view candidate like Ross Perot, like Eugene McCarthy. Like McCarthy, he has the excited and passionate attention of youth ------ which may or may not matter; McCarthy didn't win, after all.

All the same, I'd love to see a realignment in which one party (I don't care which) is replaced by Libertarians, which I suspect is the most popular political philosophy in America, but they don't seem to be able to field credible candidates yet.

Actually there is, a couple of long-time GOP people went over to 3rd parties. one of them, Wayne Root, is running the first truly conservative line I've seen in a while. He's running this year, but everyone in the Dem/Rep groups are busy clawing each others eyes out.

How sad is it that I'm already sick of this election, and it hasn't really started yet?

[DragonStryk72]

with apologies to the Libertarians among us, that party will never succeed....if it had a chance it would have shown some progress in the last thirty years..........

Actually, it has, one of the big problems it has faced previously is simply that most of the Republicans were conservatives, which is now not the case anymore. Alot of the foundation GOP guys are bailing on the party, and they are mainly joining the libertarians and constitution parties. Seriously, check out Wayne Root's site, he actually has a battle plan.l ink is in my sig line

[5stringJeff]

Okay. I'm not voting for McCain or Obama. Someone on another forum said I don't have to stay home, I could go and vote for a third party candidate as a protest. I think that's a good idea and I'll vote Libertarian, if a Hillary vote isn't available.

Hillary and the LP are two drastically different votes. I'd encourage you to vote LP.

[5stringJeff]

Actually in the long run a third party is unlikely to happen, rather one of the current parties would collapse and a new party would emerge.

The way things are going, I'd say the GOP splits. ~30-40% go to the Democrats, the rest join third parties.

[JohnDoe]

I'd like to see 5 parties or more....diversity is the spice of life they say... :)

Honestly though, the realm of ideas presented could be beneficial....the more the merrier! and less power among the elite because they would have to distribute their power among too many groups....

I know, wishful thinking, huh?

Maybe we should go back to voting for president and vice president separate and in the primaries there should be no party limits on candidates to vote for...

we could have a Libertarian president and a Democratic vp if the repub got the second most votes in the presidential?

boy would that make us try to heal the wounds and division among us! well, maybe not, but it would be worth a try........