Abu Graib guard indicts Rumsfeld, Bush

[gabosaurus]

In an interview with German magazine Der Stern, Abu Graib guard Lynndie England portrays herself as a "victim" and says that Rumsfeld and Bush knew of and approved the torture portrayed at the camps.

http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/614356.html?nv=ct_cb



The former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, called you and your colleagues the "rotten apples" of the military. Bush claimed to be ashamed of what you did.

Well, back then I thought: How can they say that when it was happening all over Iraq. The same thing is happening in Guantanamo now and other places. We knew that our officers knew about it and our sergeants. We thought if they know then somebody else knows. And I really do still think that Rumsfeld knew what was going on. I mean he had been there while I was there at that prison. And if he was there I know he knew what was going on. How could he have not known? And Bush? He's the headman.

[theHawk]

Yes, it was a grand conspiracy and this little Specialist knew that the Secretary of Defense and the President knew what they were doing in Abu Graib.

It was all ordered from the top down! Thats why the Army itself was investigating abuse at Abu Graib and broke the story to the media. Which was ignored until the pictures came out.

Do you normally swallow loads of crap this big gabby?

[gabosaurus]

If Rumsfeld was there, how could he not know? There are supposedly pictures of Rumsfeld at Abu Graib and Gitmo. The buck always stops at the top.

England is not the only soldier who has said they were "just following orders." Camp commanders have stated that the orders came from "above."

Rumsfeld and his Pentagon buddies are knee deep in this shit. That is why Bush pushed him out. Bush doesn't want the shit stain on him. Too bad, it's there anyway.

[Gunny]

In an interview with German magazine Der Stern, Abu Graib guard Lynndie England portrays herself as a "victim" and says that Rumsfeld and Bush knew of and approved the torture portrayed at the camps.

http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/614356.html?nv=ct_cb

Indictments based on a private's assumptions.:lame2:

[Dilloduck]

Indictments based on a private's assumptions.:lame2:


In an interview with German magazine Der Stern

twice as :lame2:

[Mr. P]

Indictments based on a private's assumptions.:lame2:


twice as :lame2:

Gabby posted it, THREE times as :lame2:

[gabosaurus]

Funny how you will believe a "simple private" on other matters. If it fits your purpose.

[Yurt]

If Rumsfeld was there, how could he not know? There are supposedly pictures of Rumsfeld at Abu Graib and Gitmo. The buck always stops at the top.

England is not the only soldier who has said they were "just following orders." Camp commanders have stated that the orders came from "above."

Rumsfeld and his Pentagon buddies are knee deep in this shit. That is why Bush pushed him out. Bush doesn't want the shit stain on him. Too bad, it's there anyway.

obama didn't know about his intimately close pastor.....

[diuretic]

Hell of a way to run a prison, all that torturing going on and the boss knew nothing eh? Must have all been after hours, yes, that's what it was. :laugh2:

[theHawk]

If Rumsfeld was there, how could he not know? There are supposedly pictures of Rumsfeld at Abu Graib and Gitmo. The buck always stops at the top.

England is not the only soldier who has said they were "just following orders." Camp commanders have stated that the orders came from "above."

Rumsfeld and his Pentagon buddies are knee deep in this shit. That is why Bush pushed him out. Bush doesn't want the shit stain on him. Too bad, it's there anyway.

Are you really that dense? I've been in the military and still work for them today. Whenever a "big-wig" comes through on a tour, the unit always puts on its best face. You think any of these officers have any idea what goes on at any place they tour just by walking through the area and shaking everyone's hands? :poke:


And you have yet to explain why the Army itself broke the story to the public if this was all to be a kept a secret ordered by Bush and Co.

[PostmodernProphet]

says that Rumsfeld and Bush knew of and approved the torture portrayed at the camps

I suspect they talked about it over drafts during Happy Hour......

[5stringJeff]

And I really do still think that Rumsfeld knew what was going on. I mean he had been there while I was there at that prison. And if he was there I know he knew what was going on. How could he have not known? And Bush? He's the headman.

How :lame2: can a journalist be - a private "thinks" Rumsfield and Bush "knew what was going on," and that's news?

[Yurt]

I suspect they talked about it over drafts during Happy Hour......

.......and wrote the plan down on a napkin that some anonymous bartender has secreted away

[Gunny]

Funny how you will believe a "simple private" on other matters. If it fits your purpose.


No, you mean it's funny YOU will believe a simple private on matters if it suits YOUR purpose.

I most certainly am not going to believe on who, unless the US military did a 180 since I retried, is making claims that go against military law and anything I was ever taught or taught to others.

Then there's the fact there is no evidence to support her claims.

She's trying to shift blame and playing to lefties and Europeans like you because it says "Bush is Bad" y'all will swallow it hook, line and sinker.

[DragonStryk72]

No, you mean it's funny YOU will believe a simple private on matters if it suits YOUR purpose.

I most certainly am not going to believe on who, unless the US military did a 180 since I retried, is making claims that go against military law and anything I was ever taught or taught to others.

Then there's the fact there is no evidence to support her claims.

She's trying to shift blame and playing to lefties and Europeans like you because it says "Bush is Bad" y'all will swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Okay, so then the admin is still guilty of gross negligence, and there is still that whole, "There are no 'black sites..... Oh, you mean those black sites, yeah, well, we need those". Bush has been a shitty president, I say this not as a Democrat, just a flat observation. He has betrayed the ideals of the republic, and of the conservative (It's fraud if you say you sell yourself as a conservative republican, and inflate government more than any admin in history, while reducing the power of the senate, where the power of a republic is based.).

He was either negligent, or willfully ignorant of what was happening, there is no chance, with the need for paperwork, that it never made it to him. Either way, he has cast a stain on the office of the president, and illuminated the reason for the checks and balances that he manipulated in his time. Somehow in the highest levels knew what was happening, if so many at the base knew what was going on, it's just not possible that the shit didn't start rolling from the top of the hill.

[Gunny]

Okay, so then the admin is still guilty of gross negligence, and there is still that whole, "There are no 'black sites..... Oh, you mean those black sites, yeah, well, we need those". Bush has been a shitty president, I say this not as a Democrat, just a flat observation. He has betrayed the ideals of the republic, and of the conservative (It's fraud if you say you sell yourself as a conservative republican, and inflate government more than any admin in history, while reducing the power of the senate, where the power of a republic is based.).

He was either negligent, or willfully ignorant of what was happening, there is no chance, with the need for paperwork, that it never made it to him. Either way, he has cast a stain on the office of the president, and illuminated the reason for the checks and balances that he manipulated in his time. Somehow in the highest levels knew what was happening, if so many at the base knew what was going on, it's just not possible that the shit didn't start rolling from the top of the hill.

In other words, no matter how preposterous the accusation, if one lame accusation doesn't work shit to another?

I'm far from a GWB fan, but saying he has cast a stain on the office of the President of the US is just flat-out grasping for straws in desperation. Your baseless hypothesis that what were clearly the amateurish methods of sadistic, immature and cruel military personnel powertripping on prisoners completely defies any logic and/or common sense.

If their individual and collective unlawful treatment of prisoners casts a stain on the Office of the President of the US, then the opposite must be true, correct? All individual acts of heroism/devotion above and beyond the call of duty directly shine a Heavenly light on the Office of the President, right?

Get some reality in your argument.

[Austin.Texas]

DragonStryk72
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reminds me of a Borowitz' article that I saw today:

Breaking News
McCain Concludes Fact-hiding Mission to Iraq
Mac: ‘Omission Accomplished’

Presumptive G.O.P. nominee John McCain wrapped up his fact-hiding mission to Iraq today, declaring the trip an unqualified success.

“My friends, I came to Iraq to hide the facts about the way the war is going, and in that I have succeeded,” Sen. McCain told reporters. “Omission accomplished.”

Sen. McCain praised his campaign staff for steering clear of visual evidence of recent violence in Baghdad: “Thanks to the hard work of my advance team, the surge has the appearance of working.”

The Arizona senator said that his trip to Iraq was successful in part because he was able to obscure the actual facts with new facts of his own creation.

“It’s a well known fact that Iran is training al-Qaeda,” Sen. McCain said. “And if it wasn’t a well-known fact before, it is now.”

In a speech commemorating the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, President Bush echoed Sen. McCain’s fact-hiding theme.

“As far as the war is concerned, the facts speak for themselves,” Mr. Bush said. “So I won’t mention any of them.”

Mr. Bush acknowledged that the war still presented certain challenges, but concluded on an upbeat note: “Iraq today is in better shape than Bear Stearns.”

Elsewhere, President Bush said that the economy was not in a recession, leading economists to conclude that the economy was in a recession.

Elsewhere, President Bush expressed support for Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, telling reporters, “Just because somebody didn’t get the most votes doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be president.”

Elsewhere, in response to the controversy over the CIA’s waterboarding videotapes, President Bush reaffirmed his Administration’s opposition to videotaping.

http://www.borowitzreport.com/