Jeb Bush amused by ‘irony’ of Florida Democrat delegate dilemma

[stephanie]

Former governor outlines ‘21st century conservative’ agenda
By JAMES A. SMITH SR.
Executive Editor
Published March 17, 2008

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Former Gov. Jeb Bush muses over John McCain’s electoral prospects and other hot political topics in an exclusive interview with Florida Baptist Witness March 14 at his Miami office.

MIAMI (FBW) – Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush could barely contain his amusement at the Democrat Party’s Florida and Michigan delegate dilemma in its tightly contested presidential race, saying it’s “ironic beyond belief” that the party which accused him and other Republicans of suppressing the vote in the 2000 Florida presidential election re-count now “got themselves in a hole” of “their own doing.”

“My thoughts are filled with irony that every vote should count,” Bush said with a broad smile. “I mean this brings back memories of hyperbole and anger, mock anger …. It was a political circus for several years running, people trying to stoke the anger of a group of voters.”

Bush made his comments in an exclusive March 14 interview with Florida Baptist Witness at his modest office in Miami.

Bush confirmed he has not given any other news media interviews – although he has been “asked to do a lot of them” – in order to allow his successor Gov. Charlie Crist to “create his own path.” As former governor it’s “important” for him to “get out of the way,” as well as to “let go,” he said.

While he said “I don’t enjoy being a pundit” and dislikes “punditry,” Bush offered comments about the Democrat Party’s delegate quandary; John McCain’s need to “solidify” the GOP base and his prospects for victory in November; and outlined a “21st century conservative philosophy.”

Bush agreed to the Witness interview because the primary topic was expanded gambling in Florida. His concerns about expanded gambling will be covered in a forthcoming Witness story.

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Concerning Sen. John McCain’s prospects for victory in November, Bush said the presumptive Republican nominee has an “excellent chance,” based on several assumptions – that he “solidify his base,” that he “offer a 21st century version of conservatism,” and that he “compare and contrast” with “civility” his ideological differences with the Democrat nominee.

“He needs to explain to people what it would be like with a President Obama or President Clinton,” Bush said.

McCain can rally conservatives to him if he “works hard to reach out, irrespective of the first results or the second results” and because “his record is one of a conservative on most issues.”

Bush said he likes McCain because “he doesn’t appear to be timid,” which will allow him to offer conservative solutions to “what appear to be intractable problems.”

A new version of conservatism is necessary, according to Bush, because “we can’t be nostalgic about the good old days. The world is changing. The changes are disruptive. People are anxious and they will default to the bigger government solutions unless the presidential candidate and other Republican leaders advocate a 21st century version of conservative thinking with substantive policies, even if they’re provocative.”

read the rest..
http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/8546.article

[manu1959]

“My thoughts are filled with irony that every vote should count,” Bush said with a broad smile. “I mean this brings back memories of hyperbole and anger, mock anger …. It was a political circus for several years running, people trying to stoke the anger of a group of voters.”

ever notice the dems usually end up guilty of what they accuse others of......

one voice one vote...we won the popular vote.....electoral college is a sham.....disenfranchised voters......

the chickens have cooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmme home to roost......

[Gunny]

“My thoughts are filled with irony that every vote should count,” Bush said with a broad smile. “I mean this brings back memories of hyperbole and anger, mock anger …. It was a political circus for several years running, people trying to stoke the anger of a group of voters.”

ever notice the dems usually end up guilty of what they accuse others of......

one voice one vote...we won the popular vote.....electoral college is a sham.....disenfranchised voters......

the chickens have cooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmme home to roost......

No, there are some trying to argue that it's Crist's and the State of Florida's fault (with a straight face).:laugh2:

[April15]

The florida dems are screwed up! Plain and simple.

[truthmatters]

It was the republicans who have a majority in FL that forced the move up in the primary.

When the dems in the FL legislature tried to move it back with legislation the Rs blocked it.

Facts are stubborn things

[CockySOB]

It was the republicans who have a majority in FL that forced the move up in the primary.

When the dems in the FL legislature tried to move it back with legislation the Rs blocked it.

Facts are stubborn things

Yup, especially facts like this: truthmatters is a delusional dumbass.

More facts....
1) The Florida legislature exercised their legal authority to set the date and time of the state-funded primary election.
2) The Democrats at the national level (DNC) refused to modify their rules to accommodate the Democrats in Florida.
3) The people in Florida who wanted to vote for a Democrat in the Florida primary and thus be represented (via their delegates) at the national level find themselves disenfranchised by the national Democrat Party.

[truthmatters]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/26/fla_primary_found_in_violation/

This is an article from August 07.


Florida Democrats pleaded for relief, saying they could not stop the effort by the GOP-controlled Florida state Legislature and Republican governor to move up the primary.

While the primary is set to take place Jan. 29, the DNC officials warned Florida Democrats that they would not be allowed to elect delegates that day. Instead, they could hold later caucuses or a mail-in vote to preserve their role in the national nominating convention.

[Dilloduck]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/26/fla_primary_found_in_violation/

This is an article from August 07.


Florida Democrats pleaded for relief, saying they could not stop the effort by the GOP-controlled Florida state Legislature and Republican governor to move up the primary.

While the primary is set to take place Jan. 29, the DNC officials warned Florida Democrats that they would not be allowed to elect delegates that day. Instead, they could hold later caucuses or a mail-in vote to preserve their role in the national nominating convention.

then they should :

hold later caucuses or a mail-in vote to preserve their role in the national nominating convention.

[truthmatters]

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/05/democrats_rethi.html


House Democrats plan to try to amend the elections bill to set the primary for Feb. 5, but House Minority Leader Dan Gelber is not optimistic: "I suspect my (Republican) colleagues will not abide by our request,'' he said, calling it "silly" for the DNC to punish Florida Democrats for something the Republicans control. That argument, of course, is weakened by the fact that Democrats have overwhelingly supported the early primary so far and that the senate bill sponsor is Democrat Jeremy Ring.

The RNC's penalties are less severe, but the FL GOP would still lose half its delegates, something that doesn't worry House Speaker Marco Rubio: "Right now we don't have any delegates. We have people that get invited to a big party where they drop a balloon and people wear funny hats,'' Rubio said. "The truth of the matter is the nominee of either party is going to want to make sure they have not offended the big donors and the big activists in the most important state in the country."


Do you know what this bill was tied to ion the FL legislature? It was tied to all machines having to have paper ballots.
The Dems would have had to vote down paper ballots for all elections to defeat moving up the primary.

[glockmail]

Facts are stubborn things. :lol:

[Dilloduck]

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/05/democrats_rethi.html


House Democrats plan to try to amend the elections bill to set the primary for Feb. 5, but House Minority Leader Dan Gelber is not optimistic: "I suspect my (Republican) colleagues will not abide by our request,'' he said, calling it "silly" for the DNC to punish Florida Democrats for something the Republicans control. That argument, of course, is weakened by the fact that Democrats have overwhelingly supported the early primary so far and that the senate bill sponsor is Democrat Jeremy Ring.

The RNC's penalties are less severe, but the FL GOP would still lose half its delegates, something that doesn't worry House Speaker Marco Rubio: "Right now we don't have any delegates. We have people that get invited to a big party where they drop a balloon and people wear funny hats,'' Rubio said. "The truth of the matter is the nominee of either party is going to want to make sure they have not offended the big donors and the big activists in the most important state in the country."

Is there a point in there that you are trying to make?

[truthmatters]

heres the point, at first the dems were excited about the idea and were going along with it. Then they realized the Dem heads were going to enforce the rules strictly. Then the move got tied to the paper trail for all the machines. In ohter words to vote this down meant they would also vote down a papper trail for all the voting in Florida for years to come. They knew they had to vote for it or they would never get relected or get a paper trail fro voting. Then after it was passed they tried to get the R majority to let them pass a law to move the dem primary to feb 5 to be in the rules of the dem party. The republican majority killed it.

[Dilloduck]

heres the point, at first the dems were excited about the idea and were going along with it. Then they realized the Dem heads were going to enforce the rules strictly. Then the move got tied to the paper trail for all the machines. In ohter words to vote this down meant they would also vote down a papper trail for all the voting in Florida for years to come. They knew they had to vote for it or they would never get relected or get a paper trail fro voting. Then after it was passed they tried to get the R majority to let them pass a law to move the dem primary to feb 5 to be in the rules of the dem party. The republican majority killed it.

Who made up the rule telling Florida when they had to hold elections ?

[manu1959]

heres the point, at first the dems were excited about the idea and were going along with it. Then they realized the Dem heads were going to enforce the rules strictly. Then the move got tied to the paper trail for all the machines. In ohter words to vote this down meant they would also vote down a papper trail for all the voting in Florida for years to come. They knew they had to vote for it or they would never get relected or get a paper trail fro voting. Then after it was passed they tried to get the R majority to let them pass a law to move the dem primary to feb 5 to be in the rules of the dem party. The republican majority killed it.

not to worry the dem super dellegates will decide what is best for the voters....

[truthmatters]

Dillo,Both the republican and democratic parties.

[Dilloduck]

Both the republican and democratic parties.

bullshit---the democrats make rules for democrats

[truthmatters]

Who made up the rule telling Florida when they had to hold elections ?

This is what you asked so I answered in full.

Tell me did the republicans punish FL too?

[Dilloduck]

This is what you asked so I answered in full.

Tell me did the republicans punish FL too?

Yes they did---now don't you find it odd that both parties are telling the state what to do if they want to be counted. I can't help it if the democrats decided to slap Fla with a bigger penalty. How stupid is that ? :laugh2:

[truthmatters]

It was the rules they had agreed on well before the situation arose.

Heres a hint the punishment doesn matter because everyone who had any chance in the R party dropped out.

If you were down to the wire it would have been a fight.

[Dilloduck]

It was the rules they had agreed on well before the situation arose.

Heres a hint the punishment doesn matter because everyone who had any chance in the R party dropped out.

If you were down to the wire it would have been a fight.

WHO told the DEMOCRATS in Fla when they had to vote? Hint---it was NOT the Republicans.

[truthmatters]

It was the democratic party which included dems from FL.

The deal is they FL dems tried to comply and were stopped by the Rs in the FL legislature.

Now if they tried but were stopped by the Rs whos at fault?

[Dilloduck]

It was the democratic party which included dems from FL.

The deal is they FL dems tried to comply and were stopped by the Rs in the FL legislature.

Now if they tried but were stopped by the Rs whos at fault?

The stupid shits that made the rules in the first place. DOH

[CockySOB]

It was the democratic party which included dems from FL.

The deal is they FL dems tried to comply and were stopped by the Rs in the FL legislature.

Now if they tried but were stopped by the Rs whos at fault?

Didn't you pay attention to me before?

PUT DOWN THE DAMNED CRACK PIPE!

The NATIONAL DEMOCRATS are the ones who refused to modify their own rules to allow the Florida Democrat voters who had to abide by (first and foremost) the LAWS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. The RULES set forth by the national Democrats for their state party primaries are NOT LEGALLY BINDING.

Say that against, numbskull.

The RULES set forth by the national Democrats for their state party primaries are NOT LEGALLY BINDING.


The national Democrats are the ones who have CHOSEN to disenfranchise the Florida Democrats. PERIOD. And no matter how you try to transfix the blame to the Florida Republicans, it just... ain't... so.

Deal with it.

[truthmatters]

Oh you mean the guys who wrote it into the voting paper trails laws?

[Dilloduck]

Oh you mean the guys who wrote it into the voting paper trails laws?

no---you've been owned again---you need to recognize it when it happens.

[manu1959]

no---you've been owned again---you need to recognize it when it happens.

she is the black knight.......

[CockySOB]

she is the black knight.......

It's just a flesh wound.

[avatar4321]

It was the democratic party which included dems from FL.

The deal is they FL dems tried to comply and were stopped by the Rs in the FL legislature.

Now if they tried but were stopped by the Rs whos at fault?

I am not sure if you've noticed this, but many states have their primaries on different days depending on the party. The state party has control of when their primary is.

[Kathianne]

she is the black knight.......

Coward. 'Tis but a scratch.' LOL!

[Dilloduck]

I am not sure if you've noticed this, but many states have their primaries on different days depending on the party. The state party has control of when their primary is.

Except the DNC decided it doesn't count. :laugh2: