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LiberalNation
02-24-2007, 06:04 PM
Cool.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070224/ap_on_re_us/gay_rights;_ylt=AvjXM6rf96jPytVAKPcA6YJvzwcF

NEW YORK - Anti-gay bias has flared up in Hollywood and pro basketball recently, and soon the topic will be thrust dramatically into a new forum — a reshaped Congress likely to pass the first major federal gay-rights bills.

Wary conservative leaders, as well as gay-rights advocates, share a belief that at least two measures will win approval this year: a hate-crimes bill that would cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias, and a measure that would outlaw workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Also on the table — although with more doubtful prospects — will be a measure to be introduced Wednesday seeking repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that bans openly gay and lesbian Americans from serving in the military.

All three measures surfaced in previous sessions of Congress, at times winning significant bipartisan backing but always falling short of final passage. This year, with Democrats now in control and many Republicans likely to join in support, the hate-crimes and workplace bills are widely expected to prevail.

"With liberals in control, there's a good possibility they'll both pass," said Matt Barber, a policy director with the conservative group Concerned Women for America. "They're both dangerous to freedom of conscience, to religious liberties, to free speech."

If approved by Congress, the bills would head to the White House. Activists on both the left and right are unsure whether President Bush would sign or veto them.

For gay-rights leaders — whose efforts to legalize same-sex marriage have been rebuffed by many states — the congressional votes are keenly anticipated after years of lobbying.

"This is a major step in our struggle," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign. "I know there's a lot of despair on the other side."

The workplace bill — titled the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, or ENDA — is the subject of behind-the-scenes negotiations. The bill that emerges is expected to expand on earlier versions to cover not only sexual orientation but also gender identity, thus extending protections to transgender employees. Churches and small businesses would be exempt.

For many Americans, ENDA's provisions would be familiar. More than 85 percent of the Fortune 500 companies include sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policies, as do 17 states and many local governments.

And publicly, there is increasingly little tolerance for overt anti-gay bias. The National Basketball Association swiftly repudiated retired all-star Tim Hardaway after he spoke this month of hating gays, while TV actor Isaiah Washington apologized and sought counseling after using a gay slur in reference to a fellow actor on "Grey's Anatomy."

Advocacy groups also say there have been huge strides in regard to protections for transgender people — with nine states, scores of major corporations and more than 70 colleges and universities now banning discrimination based on gender identity.

California's ban, in effect since 2003, has not triggered a flood of litigation, but it has prompted employers to proactively improve their policies for dealing with transgender employees, said Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

In past years, some congressional supporters of gay rights warned that ENDA's prospects would be crippled by including protections for gender identity. This year may be different.

Rep. Barney Frank (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., said the version he is helping draft will indeed cover transgender employees, while offering some allowances to employers so they can enforce dress codes and minimize controversies over bathroom use.

"With the proper amendments, I think we can get it," said Frank, one of two openly gay members of Congress.

Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, contended that gay-rights groups exaggerated the extent of anti-gay bias as part of a broader push to achieve their political goals.

"I'm sure there's probably a case here and there," Perkins said. "But I've seen more discrimination of people of religious faith than I've seen of gay people in the work force."

ENDA was first introduced in the 1994, and came within one vote of Senate passage in 1996, while the hate-crimes bill has passed in the House and Senate in separate years only to falter before final passage at the behest of GOP conservatives.

The hate-crimes measure would expand existing federal provisions to include acts of violence against gays and lesbians. Opponents contend it would be an ominous first step toward criminalizing criticism of homosexuality.

"It's taking us to the point where anyone who opposes the sexual behavior of homosexuals will be silenced," Perkins said.

According to the FBI, about 14 percent of the 7,163 hate crimes reported in 2005 targeted gays or lesbians — a slightly lower percentage than the two prior years. Some activists, such as Riki Wilchins of the Gender Public Advocacy Coalition, say there has been an increase of workplace complaints filed by male employees, gay and straight, contending they were harassed by fellow male workers who perceived them as effeminate.

Assuming ENDA and the hate-crimes bill win approval, but not by veto-proof margins, Bush would face a politically sensitive decision of how to respond.

"Does he want to use one of his first vetoes to deny basic job protection to people?" asked Dave Noble, public policy director for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Mat Staver of the conservative legal group Liberty Counsel worried that Bush would not veto the bills, perhaps as a gesture of respect for Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Cheney.

However, Matt Barber of Concerned Women for America held out hope that Bush would block the measures. "Hopefully," Barber said, "the president will show that the veto pen is mightier than the politically correct sword."

stephanie
02-24-2007, 06:29 PM
Well........alrighty..

This of course is THE MOST important thing that us in the United States has to worry about...

People taunted me because I'm short...I wonder if we can get a bill making that a hate crime...

Good grief...

:poke:

LiberalNation
02-24-2007, 06:30 PM
Well you could try.

stephanie
02-24-2007, 06:34 PM
Nah...I'm not into trying to bully people into accepting something they don't want to..

:lame2:

Mr. P
02-24-2007, 06:37 PM
Well........alrighty..

This of course is THE MOST important thing that us in the United States has to worry about...

People taunted me because I'm short...I wonder if we can get a bill making that a hate crime...

Good grief...

:poke:

Just thinking the same thing..If you don't like or approve of me I'm going to get the Gov. to make that a crime! Geeezzzzzzzz.

darin
02-24-2007, 06:44 PM
I'll never reconcile Homophiles asking for special rights in the name of fairness.

stephanie
02-24-2007, 06:47 PM
Just thinking the same thing..If you don't like or approve of me I'm going to get the Gov. to make that a crime! Geeezzzzzzzz.

No shit....They get this one passed and you will start to see a lot more idiotic hate crime bills passed...

But the idiots who support this evidently don't care if OUR RIGHTS are being taken away from us...

As long as the 4% of the gays in this country can get this bill passed so they can force the 95% of the American people who don't accept their lifestyle.......as normal..

Fuck that...

avatar4321
02-24-2007, 08:49 PM
The President better veto this unconstitutional garbage...

Yurt
02-24-2007, 09:30 PM
They should not have special rights, just the same legal rights. IMHO.

5stringJeff
02-24-2007, 09:53 PM
Wary conservative leaders, as well as gay-rights advocates, share a belief that at least two measures will win approval this year: a hate-crimes bill that would cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias, and a measure that would outlaw workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation.


Both bills are bad. Hate crimes bills in general are horrible, because they punish people for having the "wrong" beliefs. When people kill or assault others, regardless of whether it's for money, random, or driven by prejudice, they ought to be punished under the existing laws for murder, assault, etc.

The workplace discrimination law is also bad, because it infringes on people's right to hire those they want. For example, let's say I run a small business, and I want a customer service rep. My business is known in the community as being a Christian run business. Now, let's say an openly gay person applies. Should I be forced to hire him/her, even though I find their lifestyle immoral and I believe that my business may suffer if I do hire him/her? Under this law, I'd have to, and that's wrong.

Yurt
02-24-2007, 09:56 PM
Both bills are bad. Hate crimes bills in general are horrible, because they punish people for having the "wrong" beliefs. When people kill or assault others, regardless of whether it's for money, random, or driven by prejudice, they ought to be punished under the existing laws for murder, assault, etc.

The workplace discrimination law is also bad, because it infringes on people's right to hire those they want. For example, let's say I run a small business, and I want a customer service rep. My business is known in the community as being a Christian run business. Now, let's say an openly gay person applies. Should I be forced to hire him/her, even though I find their lifestyle immoral and I believe that my business may suffer if I do hire him/her? Under this law, I'd have to, and that's wrong.

No way should that be allowed. That is a special right, not an equal right. As a white male I, in the current sway of politics, have very little rights.

What you say (libs)? Ever seen an ONLY womens club? I have, lots of them.

Gunny
02-25-2007, 09:45 AM
Cool.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070224/ap_on_re_us/gay_rights;_ylt=AvjXM6rf96jPytVAKPcA6YJvzwcF

NEW YORK - Anti-gay bias has flared up in Hollywood and pro basketball recently, and soon the topic will be thrust dramatically into a new forum — a reshaped Congress likely to pass the first major federal gay-rights bills.

Wary conservative leaders, as well as gay-rights advocates, share a belief that at least two measures will win approval this year: a hate-crimes bill that would cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias, and a measure that would outlaw workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Also on the table — although with more doubtful prospects — will be a measure to be introduced Wednesday seeking repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that bans openly gay and lesbian Americans from serving in the military.

All three measures surfaced in previous sessions of Congress, at times winning significant bipartisan backing but always falling short of final passage. This year, with Democrats now in control and many Republicans likely to join in support, the hate-crimes and workplace bills are widely expected to prevail.

"With liberals in control, there's a good possibility they'll both pass," said Matt Barber, a policy director with the conservative group Concerned Women for America. "They're both dangerous to freedom of conscience, to religious liberties, to free speech."

If approved by Congress, the bills would head to the White House. Activists on both the left and right are unsure whether President Bush would sign or veto them.

For gay-rights leaders — whose efforts to legalize same-sex marriage have been rebuffed by many states — the congressional votes are keenly anticipated after years of lobbying.

"This is a major step in our struggle," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign. "I know there's a lot of despair on the other side."

The workplace bill — titled the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, or ENDA — is the subject of behind-the-scenes negotiations. The bill that emerges is expected to expand on earlier versions to cover not only sexual orientation but also gender identity, thus extending protections to transgender employees. Churches and small businesses would be exempt.

For many Americans, ENDA's provisions would be familiar. More than 85 percent of the Fortune 500 companies include sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policies, as do 17 states and many local governments.

And publicly, there is increasingly little tolerance for overt anti-gay bias. The National Basketball Association swiftly repudiated retired all-star Tim Hardaway after he spoke this month of hating gays, while TV actor Isaiah Washington apologized and sought counseling after using a gay slur in reference to a fellow actor on "Grey's Anatomy."

Advocacy groups also say there have been huge strides in regard to protections for transgender people — with nine states, scores of major corporations and more than 70 colleges and universities now banning discrimination based on gender identity.

California's ban, in effect since 2003, has not triggered a flood of litigation, but it has prompted employers to proactively improve their policies for dealing with transgender employees, said Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

In past years, some congressional supporters of gay rights warned that ENDA's prospects would be crippled by including protections for gender identity. This year may be different.

Rep. Barney Frank (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., said the version he is helping draft will indeed cover transgender employees, while offering some allowances to employers so they can enforce dress codes and minimize controversies over bathroom use.

"With the proper amendments, I think we can get it," said Frank, one of two openly gay members of Congress.

Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, contended that gay-rights groups exaggerated the extent of anti-gay bias as part of a broader push to achieve their political goals.

"I'm sure there's probably a case here and there," Perkins said. "But I've seen more discrimination of people of religious faith than I've seen of gay people in the work force."

ENDA was first introduced in the 1994, and came within one vote of Senate passage in 1996, while the hate-crimes bill has passed in the House and Senate in separate years only to falter before final passage at the behest of GOP conservatives.

The hate-crimes measure would expand existing federal provisions to include acts of violence against gays and lesbians. Opponents contend it would be an ominous first step toward criminalizing criticism of homosexuality.

"It's taking us to the point where anyone who opposes the sexual behavior of homosexuals will be silenced," Perkins said.

According to the FBI, about 14 percent of the 7,163 hate crimes reported in 2005 targeted gays or lesbians — a slightly lower percentage than the two prior years. Some activists, such as Riki Wilchins of the Gender Public Advocacy Coalition, say there has been an increase of workplace complaints filed by male employees, gay and straight, contending they were harassed by fellow male workers who perceived them as effeminate.

Assuming ENDA and the hate-crimes bill win approval, but not by veto-proof margins, Bush would face a politically sensitive decision of how to respond.

"Does he want to use one of his first vetoes to deny basic job protection to people?" asked Dave Noble, public policy director for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Mat Staver of the conservative legal group Liberty Counsel worried that Bush would not veto the bills, perhaps as a gesture of respect for Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Vice President Cheney.

However, Matt Barber of Concerned Women for America held out hope that Bush would block the measures. "Hopefully," Barber said, "the president will show that the veto pen is mightier than the politically correct sword."

Gays currently have the same rights as everyone else. By "advances," you mean legislation that discriminates solely toward the aberrant behavior of one group.

I would think given your penchant for chanting the "unConstitutional" line at the drop of a hat, you'd be against this.

But then, that doesn't suit your personal desires, does it?

LiberalNation
02-25-2007, 10:48 AM
But then, that doesn't suit your personal desires, does it?
nope.

avatar4321
02-25-2007, 10:53 AM
Gays currently have the same rights as everyone else. By "advances," you mean legislation that discriminates solely toward the aberrant behavior of one group.

I would think given your penchant for chanting the "unConstitutional" line at the drop of a hat, you'd be against this.

But then, that doesn't suit your personal desires, does it?

I would think that the mere fact that is completely outside Congress's power to legislate, that alone would be enough to get people to cry unconstitutional.

OCA
02-25-2007, 10:56 AM
nope.

So you desire to give queers "special rights" since they are born with every inalienable right as everyone else under the constitution?

Anyway none of this will happen, even the most liberal congressman is not going to go against 70-80% of his own constituency's desire.

Please reference the final tallies of each state that has voted on queer marriage to verify the 70-80% figure.

LiberalNation
02-25-2007, 10:57 AM
I agree it wont happen. You are right about the peoples beliefs.

Gunny
02-25-2007, 10:57 AM
nope.

Yeah, so next time you get on your high-horse squealing "unConstitutional," DO try and remember that it is here for all to see that you are just as selective in regard to its application as anyone else.

What will be unConstitutional is the Federal government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, and passing legislation that discriminates against normal people in favor of an aberrant minority that defines itself by its behavior.

Gunny
02-25-2007, 10:59 AM
I would think that the mere fact that is completely outside Congress's power to legislate, that alone would be enough to get people to cry unconstitutional.

I agree. The Fed has no business with this issue, IMO.

Gunny
02-25-2007, 11:00 AM
So you desire to give queers "special rights" since they are born with every inalienable right as everyone else under the constitution?

Anyway none of this will happen, even the most liberal congressman is not going to go against 70-80% of his own constituency's desire.

Please reference the final tallies of each state that has voted on queer marriage to verify the 70-80% figure.

Hate to be the fly in the ointment, but let me shake up your security a bit ....

You think politicians won't go against 70-80% of their constituencies?

Illegal immigration.

LiberalNation
02-25-2007, 11:04 AM
Yeah, so next time you get on your high-horse squealing "unConstitutional," DO try and remember that it is here for all to see that you are just as selective in regard to its application as anyone else.

What high horse, I don't mind admiting I'm selective and at the same time pointing it out in others.

OCA
02-25-2007, 11:17 AM
Hate to be the fly in the ointment, but let me shake up your security a bit ....

You think politicians won't go against 70-80% of their constituencies?

Illegal immigration.

They realize that the health of the economy is more important than illegals.

Pale Rider
02-25-2007, 01:06 PM
Hate to be the fly in the ointment, but let me shake up your security a bit ....

You think politicians won't go against 70-80% of their constituencies?

Illegal immigration.

You mean illegal "aliens"?