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The Reverend
02-29-2008, 09:51 PM
Six Big Lies About John McCain

LIE #1: John McCain isn’t a loyal Republican.

TRUTH: McCain has been a stalwart Reagan Republican since he first entered politics in 1981.

He has never backed Democratic candidates for president or lesser posts – other than supporting his friend Joe Lieberman in his Independent campaign for US Senate in 2006. Over the years, he has campaigned tirelessly for Republican office-holders in every corner of the country – including vigorous campaigning that helped win elections for his former rival George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004. McCain has earned a lifetime rating of 83 for his Senate voting record from the American Conservative Union; his friend, Fred Thompson, won a very similar lifetime rating of 86 and appropriately dubbed himself “a consistent conservative.” While some of McCain’s harshest critics regularly talk of abandoning the GOP for some third party option (and some did so to back Pat Buchanan’s embarrassing run in 2000), McCain has never abandoned his party. On three crucial items in the Bush agenda – taking the offensive against terrorists, cutting wasteful government spending, and comprehensive immigration reform – no member of Congress has provided more loyal or significant support for the President of the United States and the leader of the Republican Party.

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LIE #2: McCain represents a betrayal and rejection of the Reagan coalition.

TRUTH: McCain is a consistent, passionate Reagan Republican who, like the greatest president of recent years, is unabashedly pro-life, pro-second amendment rights, pro-military, pro-peace through strength, pro-small government, pro-spending cuts, and pro-tax cuts.

Many leaders of the Reagan Revolution – Jack Kemp, Senator Phil Gramm, Senator Dan Coats, General Alexander Haig, George Shultz and many more – proudly back Senator McCain. The conservative Senators who know McCain best – John Kyl, Tom Coburn, Sam Brownback, Lindsey Graham, Trent Lott – support his presidential campaign after working with him in the Senate for years and seeing his commitment to Reaganism. During the six years he served in Congress under President Reagan, McCain supported the administration as one of its most effective “foot soldiers.” Unlike many of his critics, McCain echoes the Reagan approach – not the Buchanan approach – to free trade and immigration reform.

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LIE #3: John McCain organized “The Gang of Fourteen” to Block the Confirmation of Conservative Judges.

TRUTH: John McCain organized “The Gang of Fourteen” to win- not to block -the Confirmation of Conservative Judges, and his efforts succeeded in the Senate.

This group of seven Republicans and Seven Democrats (representing a full 14% of the US Senate, obviously) ultimately broke the logjam that had delayed confirmation of some of the most conservative nominees of President Bush. Because of McCain’s leadership, Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel Alito won Supreme Court confirmation without filibuster from the Democrats. He also secured the previously blocked confirmations of Appellate Judges William Pryor, Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen, and Brett Kavanaugh, previously filibustered by Democrats. At the same time, McCain and his “gang” managed to protect the right to filibuster – an important tool with obvious value now that Republicans find themselves in the minority. McCain has never opposed a Republican nominee for the Supreme Court; unlike some of his prominent fellow Republicans, he actively supported the nomination of Judge Robert Bork. His disagreement with Senate Republican leader Bill Frist on the “Gang of Fourteen” issues involved questions of tactics, not the goal of securing a judiciary that honors the principles of strict construction.

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LIE #4: John McCain supports higher taxes.

TRUTH: John McCain has never voted for an increase in tax rates in 25 years in Congress—never – and clearly and consistently supports cutting and simplifying taxes.

Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform has acknowledged that even though McCain refuses to take the “no new taxes” pledge he has kept that pledge with his voting record, throughout his service in the Senate and the House. Yes, he did vote against Bush tax cuts – but did so because no cuts in spending accompanied the cuts in taxes. Unlike some of his colleagues, he insists that tax cuts and increased revenues won’t be enough to close the deficit – there must be spending cuts as well. It’s increasingly obvious that he’s right: tax cuts without spending cuts won’t shrink the national debt or trim the size of government. He currently supports making all the Bush tax cuts permanent before their schedule expiration in 2010 to allow individuals and businesses to plan their futures without uncertainty. He also backs an immediate cut in the corporate tax rate from 35% (second highest rate in the world) to 20% (one of the lowest in the world) as a means of stimulating the economy and creating jobs. He also backs instituting new rules requiring a super majority – a three-fifths vote of both houses of Congress-- rather than simple majorities, to approve any tax increases. This would make it vastly more difficult for future Congresses (even under Democratic control) to take more money from hard-working Americans.

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LIE #5: McCain is an advocate of “amnesty” and “open borders.”

TRUTH: As Senior Senator from Arizona, McCain has fought for years to tighten border security, stop illegal immigration, increase workplace enforcement and to resist “amnesty” for those who entered the country without authorization.

McCain’s rival for the nomination, Mitt Romney, unequivocally and rightly acknowledged that his opponent’s position in no way amounts to “amnesty” or “open borders.” In the Fox News debate in South Carolina on January 10, Governor Romney declared: “All of us on this stage agree… that we secure the border, we have the fence, and we have enough Border Patrol agents to secure the border; and that we have an employment verification system of some kind….We all agree that anybody who’s committed a crime should be sent home.”

As Romney pointed then out: “The place of difference between us is what we do with the 12 million people who are here illegally.” Romney’s answer? “Those who are here illegally today would be looked at person by person, given a specific time period by which they arrange their affairs, they stay here during that time period. When that time period is over, they go home…”

Alone among Presidential candidates, McCain has shown the courage to stand up against such simplistic sloganeering. No President will ever succeed in driving out all 12 million illegals – the greatest forced migration in all human history. Illegals represent more than 5% of America’s work force and the cost of firing and, ultimately, deporting for forcing out every one of those people would cripple the economy far worse than any recession. The immigration bills McCain supported (along with President Bush and the Senate Republican leadership of Mitch McConnell, Trent Lott and John Kyl) never granted “amnesty” or automatic citizenship for undocumented aliens. Instead, McCain’s idea of immigration reform always emphasized “earned legalization” and assimilation– not automatic privileges – in an effort to separate the immigrants who wanted to begin playing by the rules and to enter the American mainstream, from those who continued to defy those rules and have no long-term stake in the country. It’s not amnesty to charge $6,000 in fines and payment of back taxes, to require background checks and mastery of English, and to demand registry with the government and acknowledgment of wrong-doing before an immigrant received legal status. Before an illegal could become a citizen, the process required at least nine years (and in most cases fourteen) of cooperation, commitment and patience. Moreover, two crucial elements of last year’s immigration bill received almost no attention: under the bill any immigrant who attempted to enter America illegally after the passage of immigration reform would be apprehended, identified, finger-printed and biometrically recorded, and forever banned from receiving legal status to work or live in the United States. Second, the unfinished (and ultimately unsuccessful) compromise bill included a “trigger provision”: no illegal immigrant would receive legal status until after Congress certified that the border had been effectively secured. McCain emphasizes this provision in his current proposals: insisting we secure the border first, before we make arrangements for future guest workers and give a chance to some (but by no means all) current illegal residents to earn legal status in the U.S.

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LIE #6: McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform represents a devastating assault on free speech.

TRUTH: McCain-Feingold was a piece of useless, misguided legislation but it’s done no serious damage to the country, the constitution or the conservative pro-life cause. After nearly seven years on the books, robust and impassioned discussion of political issues and candidates is more vibrant and free-wheeling than ever. The pro-life movement (with McCain’s enthusiastic support) has made substantial progress in the last seven years, changing minds and hearts and driving abortion rates to their lowest point in 29 years—unimpeded by McCain-Feingold. More people are involved in donating to candidates and causes than before the legislation, and there’s been an increase in the broadcast of campaign ads and distribution of political materials, not a reduction. Does any American – particularly those in key primary states – honestly believe we now have a shortage of political ads on TV? Those who say that McCain-Feingold took away free speech make no more sense than leftists who claim that the Patriot Act destroyed civil liberties or crushed dissent: their arguments remain utterly disconnected from the real world experience of every American. Hard-hitting, free wheeling debate is alive and well in the land of the free. McCain favored counterweights to lobbyist influence and the corrupting impact of money in politics because he saw that commercial involvement as a powerful force toward corporate welfare and government expansion—betraying the small government ideals he has always embraced.


Of course, this discussion only begins to scratch the surface when it comes to the smears and distortions against Senator McCain from some of his long-standing foes in the Republican establishment. Fortunately, the Senator himself is getting more opportunity to speak directly to the American people, above the heads of the talk radio hosts who are leading the hysterical charge against him.

On the night of his primary victory in South Carolina, for instance, McCain gave a concise, eloquent summary of his conservative philosophy:

“I seek the nomination of our Party,” he said, “because I am as confident today as I was when I first entered public life as a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution that the principles of the Republican Party – our confidence in the good sense and resourcefulness of free people – are always in America’s best interests. In war and peace, in good times and challenging ones, we have always known that the first responsibility of government is to keep this country safe from its enemies, and the American people free of a heavy-handed government that spends too much of their money, and tries to do for them what they are better able to do for themselves. We want government to do its job, not your job;; to do it better and to do it with less of your money; to defend our nation’s security wisely and effectively, because the cost of our defense is so dear to us; to respect our values because they are the true source of our strength; to enforce the rule of law that is the first defense of freedom; to keep the promises it makes ot us and not make promises it will not keep. We believe government should do only those things we cannot do individually, and then get out of the way so that the most industrious, ingenious, and enterprising people in the world can do what they have always done: build an even greater country than the one they inherited.”

McCain’s critics have every right to prefer other candidates, or to reject his increasingly powerful bid to unite the party and defeat the Democrats in November.

They are wrong, however, to lie about his policies, his principals, his record and his character. Instead of the endless concentration on distorted reasons to dislike McCain, the complainers should concentrate on the basis for admiring the candidates they do support. The Republican Party would benefit from an open, honest debate about the virtues of the various candidates that make them worthy of support, rather than incessant and self-destructive focus on alleged vices of the front-running candidate that make him worthy of contempt.

Again and again in his 25 years in politics, John McCain has risked his career to provide straight talk to the American people. Those who claim to cherish the integrity of the conservative movement owe it to their party and their country to talk straight about all four of the excellent candidates remaining in this race.
http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/bl...e-38e1b2b48388

The Reverend
02-29-2008, 09:56 PM
Some interesting FACTS about McCain

83% lifetime conservative rating by American Conservative Union

NEVER once voted for tax increase.

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
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What do you know McCain and Romney are similar.
But for some reason Romney is Conservative and McCain is not
http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s020_070.gif
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm

Oh and here is Thompson
http://www.ontheissues.org/Fred_Thompson.htm
Not much more conservative.
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Oh SNAP
Reagan AND McCain are the SAME
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Ronald_Reagan.htm

Pale Rider
02-29-2008, 11:13 PM
TRUTH: As Senior Senator from Arizona, McCain has fought for years to tighten border security, stop illegal immigration, increase workplace enforcement and to resist “amnesty” for those who entered the country without authorization.

I don't know who is supposed to buy that shit, but that's about as big of a lie that's ever been told. mcillegal was, is, and hasn't denied yet that he's all about giving ALL the illegal aliens amnesty. He even hired this "mexico first" dick head named juan hernandez to help run his campaign.

So whoever wrote up your list, they're fucking cracked.

juan mcamnesty - "is pro illegal alien."
juan mcamnesty - "is a maverick."
juan mcamnesty - "likes to stick it to his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "is the most hated senator by his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "will never get the conservative vote."
juan mcamnesty - "is a RINO."

The Reverend
02-29-2008, 11:23 PM
I don't know who is supposed to buy that shit, but that's about as big of a lie that's ever been told. mcillegal was, is, and hasn't denied yet that he's all about giving ALL the illegal aliens amnesty. He even hired this "mexico first" dick head named juan hernandez to help run his campaign.

So whoever wrote up your list, they're fucking cracked.

juan mcamnesty - "is pro illegal alien."
juan mcamnesty - "is a maverick."
juan mcamnesty - "likes to stick it to his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "is the most hated senator by his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "will never get the conservative vote."
juan mcamnesty - "is a RINO."
Well lets point out where you are wrong
First McCain did NOT hire juan hernandez, he volunteered and he is not running anything.

Second the bill was not amnesty, check out the definition of amnesty.

Third I am guessing that you consider Reagan conservative and the role model for conservatism. Well Reagan DID give amnesty.

Fourth no McCain is not pro illegals.

Fifth he HAS gotten the conservative vote.

And Sixth repeating Rush Limbaugh makes you a parrot not a free thinker.

BTW it was Medved that wrote that, a way better talk show host and more honest then Rush could ever dream of.


PS If you are the Pale Rider I am thinking of from AWE this is AYFR. If not then that last sentence will make no sense to you.

Pale Rider
02-29-2008, 11:36 PM
Well lets point out where you are wrong
First McCain did NOT hire juan hernandez, he volunteered and he is not running anything.
Well, you can point and opine your crap all you want, but I am NOT wrong. Yes he DID hire mister "mexico first" to run his "reach out" effort to hispanics.


Second the bill was not amnesty, check out the definition of amnesty.
Yes, the bill was amnesty. You have your head up your ass if you think it wasn't. Under this bill ALL illegal aliens NEVER HAD TO LEAVE. They would have been able to stay in this country FOREVER.... and that, son, is AMNESTY.


Third I am guessing that you consider Reagan conservative and the role model for conservatism. Well Reagan DID give amnesty.
Reagan was WRONG.


Fourth no McCain is not pro illegals.
Forth, you're full of shit. His voting record and efforts at numbersusa.com (http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez2008.html) in reference to illegal aliens is "ABYSMUL."


Fifth he HAS gotten the conservative vote.
Fifth, how much bull shit do you intend to try and spread in one post? You going for a record? You have to have been living under a fucking ROCK if you think mccain has gotten the conservative vote. "I" am a conservative, and he sure the FUCK doesn't have my vote, so that blows your little opinion right out of the water.


And Sixth repeating Rush Limbaugh makes you a parrot not a free thinker.
Not a good way to start here cherry. Your sass can get you in a lot of trouble is all you want to do is act like a junior high schooler and call names.


BTW it was Medved that wrote that, a way better talk show host and more honest then Rush could ever dream of.
And I suppose al frankan on air America is your hero?


PS If you are the Pale Rider I am thinking of from AWE this is AYFR. If not then that last sentence will make no sense to you.
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

The Reverend
02-29-2008, 11:57 PM
Well, you can point and opine your crap all you want, but I am NOT wrong. Yes he DID hire mister "mexico first" to run his "reach out" effort to hispanics.
I love it when people are stuck on stupid.
No he did not and you are just spouting talking points that are lies.
Hernandez is an UNPAID VOLUNTEER, and doesn't even have any authority. He is not the outreach anything.



Yes, the bill was amnesty. You have your head up your ass if you think it wasn't. Under this bill ALL illegal aliens NEVER HAD TO LEAVE. They would have been able to stay in this country FOREVER.... and that, son, is AMNESTY.
Again you are WRONG


S.1639 would have created a new class of visa, the "Z visa", that would be given to everyone who was living illegally in the United States on Jan. 1, 2007; this visa would give its holder the legal right to remain in the United States for the rest of their life, and access to a Social Security number. After eight years, the holder of a Z visa would be eligible for a United States Permanent Resident Card (a "green card") if they wanted to have one; they would first have to pay a $2000 fine, and back taxes for some of the period in which they worked. By the normal rules of green cards, five years after that the immigrant could begin the process of becoming a U.S. citizen.

S.1639 would have required such an immigrant to be in their home country when they apply for their green card.

S.1639 would have also ended so-called "chain migration", in which an immigrant who becomes a U.S. citizen can ease the process by which their relatives from outside the country can get green cards. Under the bill, only the spouse and children of a new citizen would be made eligible for green cards.[13]

Another new category of visa, the "Y visa", would have been created, that would let temporary guest workers stay in the country for two years, after which they would have to return home. The original bill set this program at 400,000 people a year. However, its scope was greatly reduced by two amendments passed by the Senate: the first, sponsored by Senator Jeff Bingaman, reduced the number of entrants to 200,000 a year;[14] the second, sponsored by Senator Byron Dorgan, set the program to only run for five years.[15]





Forth, you're full of shit. His voting record and efforts at numbersusa.com (http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez2008.html) in reference to illegal aliens is "ABYSMUL."Got to love those talking point parrot sites.
Sorry I like facts as opposed to fantasy.
The American Conservative Union gave McCain a 83% lifetime conservative rating.



Fifth, how much bull shit do you intend to try and spread in one post? You going for a record? You have to have been living under a fucking ROCK if you think mccain has gotten the conservative vote. "I" am a conservative, and he sure the FUCK doesn't have my vote, so that blows your little opinion right out of the water.
YOU don't represent every conservative. The proof is in the pudding. McCain is WINNING and that is partly because Conservatives vote for him.


Not a good way to start here cherry. Your sass can get you in a lot of trouble is all you want to do is act like a junior high schooler and call names.
Don 't worry I can handle myself.


And I suppose al frankan on air America is your hero?
Sorry Franken is a liberal Rush Limbaugh. I am not a liberal.

Personally I like to think for myself. You ought to try it it's refereshing.


I do listen to Michael Medved on occassion

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 03:28 AM
I love it when people are stuck on stupid.
No he did not and you are just spouting talking points that are lies.
Hernandez is an UNPAID VOLUNTEER, and doesn't even have any authority. He is not the outreach anything.
Sorry chief, but you're really full of shit here. What you're saying is an outright lie, and liars don't last too long here. Not after everybody gets a good look at what you're lying about, and they can easily see. So I have no problem with you beating the RINO mclame drum... feel free. But don't lie son. You'll be branded a liar, and you'll have to live with it for as long as you're here. Now you better wise up and get with it, or liar it is.

juan hernandez is paid outreach director of mcamnesty campaign, the biggest open borders, "mexico first," puss bag there is. (http://newsbusters.org/people/juan-hernandez)


Again you are WRONG
Your opinion, and not worth much I might ad.


Got to love those talking point parrot sites.
Sorry I like facts as opposed to fantasy.
The American Conservative Union gave McCain a 83% lifetime conservative rating.
mclame is the most liberal RINO in history. Your spin isn't going to change that chief.


YOU don't represent every conservative. The proof is in the pudding. McCain is WINNING and that is partly because Conservatives vote for him.
No, I don't... only a few MILLION I guess. Wise up son. mclame is not getting the conservative support he's going to need to win. Hussein is more than likely the next president because of that.


Don 't worry I can handle myself.
Yeah? Where? At recess with the rest of the forth graders?


Sorry Franken is a liberal Rush Limbaugh. I am not a liberal.
OK... so you're not a liberal... you just share the lippy traits of one.


Personally I like to think for myself. You ought to try it it's refereshing.
You're the one that's been drinking the liberal media kool aide about mclame son, not me.


I do listen to Michael Medved on occassion
Fantastic... I'll do hand springs now... :uhoh:

And by the way chief... it's refreshing, not refereshing, and occasion, not occassion.

So far you've impressed no one. Nice job cherry.

WRL
03-01-2008, 04:29 AM
I don't know who is supposed to buy that shit, but that's about as big of a lie that's ever been told. mcillegal was, is, and hasn't denied yet that he's all about giving ALL the illegal aliens amnesty. He even hired this "mexico first" dick head named juan hernandez to help run his campaign.

So whoever wrote up your list, they're fucking cracked.

juan mcamnesty - "is pro illegal alien."
juan mcamnesty - "is a maverick."
juan mcamnesty - "likes to stick it to his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "is the most hated senator by his own party."
juan mcamnesty - "will never get the conservative vote."
juan mcamnesty - "is a RINO."

juan mcamnesty??? this kind of racist rhetoric will only serve to hurt the party, and put Democrats in total control of the Government. As to the rest of your points, as has been stated he has an 83% rating from the American Conservative Union, you know those crazy liberals who host CPAC...

PostmodernProphet
03-01-2008, 05:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend View Post
Sorry Franken is a liberal Rush Limbaugh. I am not a liberal.
Quote Pale: OK... so you're not a liberal... you just share the lippy traits of one.

I like this guy....I started reading his debate with Pale and thought to myself...."I don't remember posting this stuff, but it MUST be me!"

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 09:05 AM
Sorry chief, but you're really full of shit here. What you're saying is an outright lie, and liars don't last too long here. Not after everybody gets a good look at what you're lying about, and they can easily see. So I have no problem with you beating the RINO mclame drum... feel free. But don't lie son. You'll be branded a liar, and you'll have to live with it for as long as you're here. Now you better wise up and get with it, or liar it is.

juan hernandez is paid outreach director of mcamnesty campaign, the biggest open borders, "mexico first," puss bag there is. (http://newsbusters.org/people/juan-hernandez)
Yeah newsbusters is a REAL trustworthy site, very non biased and always looks for the facts.
Are you really that stupid?
McCain's spokes person says he is non-paid.
See fact is that Rush doesn't like McCain because he has no influence over him. And if rush doesn't like something all the Rushbots (like yourself) fall in lockstep.


Your opinion, and not worth much I might ad.
You being wrong is not an opinion it is fact.


mclame is the most liberal RINO in history. Your spin isn't going to change that chief.Lots of accusations on no proof



No, I don't... only a few MILLION I guess. Wise up son. mclame is not getting the conservative support he's going to need to win. Hussein is more than likely the next president because of that.
No only in your Rush brainwashed mind is that true,


Yeah? Where? At recess with the rest of the forth graders?
When you bring a real debate it might be a challange but right now you are just my warm-up


OK... so you're not a liberal... you just share the lippy traits of one.
Typical Rush talk, don't you ever think for yourself?
Sorry but just because people don't believe exactly as you do does not make them liberal.


You're the one that's been drinking the liberal media kool aide about mclame son, not me.
Sorry old man but I actually do research on the candidates myself.



Fantastic... I'll do hand springs now... :uhoh:

And by the way chief... it's refreshing, not refereshing, and occasion, not occassion.

So far you've impressed no one. Nice job cherry.
Oh look another spelling nazi, can't prove me wrong so you attack my spelling. Nice.

Must be nice WANTING Hillary or Obama to be able to pick the next 3 or 4 Justices.

See you cannot prove one bit that McCain is liberal. McCain is just as Conservative as Reagan was.

I like this guy....I started reading his debate with Pale and thought to myself...."I don't remember posting this stuff, but it MUST be me!"

Thank you.

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 09:06 AM
juan mcamnesty??? this kind of racist rhetoric will only serve to hurt the party, and put Democrats in total control of the Government. As to the rest of your points, as has been stated he has an 83% rating from the American Conservative Union, you know those crazy liberals who host CPAC...

Some people don't care for facts. Their policy is that if Rush says it then it must be fact.

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 02:20 PM
juan mcamnesty??? this kind of racist rhetoric will only serve to hurt the party, and put Democrats in total control of the Government. As to the rest of your points, as has been stated he has an 83% rating from the American Conservative Union, you know those crazy liberals who host CPAC...

Before you go calling people racist, maybe you better look into who mcamnesty hired to do his "hispanic outreach" work... prick.

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 02:21 PM
Hired means PAID and he is not PAID, man you are thick

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 02:25 PM
Some people don't care for facts. Their policy is that if Rush says it then it must be fact.

Here's my guess... you're about 22 years old, still living with mommy and daddy in the basement, driving their car, don't have a job, and you buy into everything damn thing you hear on the main stream media. They're the ones who have been doing the biggest song and dance ranting about mccain being the greatest thing to come down the pike since sliced bread, and you regurgitate this dribble with utter precision. Talk about a "bot." Boy, you've got gears in your jaw and transistors in your head. You haven't had an original thought yet in your life. So when that water fall dries up behind your ears and you can finally think for yourself, get back to me.

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 02:28 PM
Hired means PAID and he is not PAID, man you are thick

Fuck... you are a slope headed, mouth breather aren't you. If someone pays me to do something for them, I pretty much take it at that point that I've been "hired to do the job."

Get a fucking clue idiot. Put down the mclame pipe full of magic weed and THINK!

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 02:34 PM
Here's my guess... you're about 22 years old, still living with mommy and daddy in the basement, driving their car, don't have a job, and you buy into everything damn thing you hear on the main stream media. They're the ones who have been doing the biggest song and dance ranting about mccain being the greatest thing to come down the pike since sliced bread, and you regurgitate this dribble with utter precision. Talk about a "bot." Boy, you've got gears in your jaw and transistors in your head. You haven't had an original thought yet in your life. So when that water fall dries up behind your ears and you can finally think for yourself, get back to me.

Just like everything else you are wrong.
I am 33, married with two children. Driving my own car, working in the constructon field (window service manager) Don't listen to the news or "main stream" media, nor do I like Rush. I ACTUALLY looked into the facts and decided from there. It is called r.e.s.e.a.r.c.h. (said it slow so even you could understand it) Try it sometime.

EVERYTHING you say is word for word from Rush. Not even original enough to change it up a bit.

So when you decide to deprogram yourself let me know.

How can one person be so wrong all the time? Wake up junior. Get a brain and think for yourself.

Oh on another note my father is dead but thanks anyway asshole.

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 02:37 PM
Fuck... you are a slope headed, mouth breather aren't you. If someone pays me to do something for them, I pretty much take it at that point that I've been "hired to do the job."

Get a fucking clue idiot. Put down the mclame pipe full of magic weed and THINK!
Man you are retarded
Juan is a volunteer in McCain's campaign Volunteer mean's NOT PAID.
He is NOT getting paid.

You're telling me to think. That's a laugh. You are more brainwashed then I thought.

Alright PROVE that he is getting paid.
Prove that McCain is a liberal.

Prove that you are not a Rushbot.

manu1959
03-01-2008, 02:37 PM
Hired means PAID and he is not PAID, man you are thick

hired means taking a posistion of employement and providing services to an employer......there are lots of ways to be "paid"......but being paid does not include or preclude on from being hired.....

manu1959
03-01-2008, 02:38 PM
Man you are retarded
Juan is a volunteer in McCain's campaign Volunteer mean's NOT PAID.
He is NOT getting paid.

You're telling me to think. That's a laugh. You are more brainwashed then I thought.

Alright PROVE that he is getting paid.
Prove that McCain is a liberal.

Prove that you are not a Rushbot.

is he or is he not working on mccains campaign.....

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 02:43 PM
Man you are retarded
Juan is a volunteer in McCain's campaign Volunteer mean's NOT PAID.
He is NOT getting paid.

You're telling me to think. That's a laugh. You are more brainwashed then I thought.

Alright PROVE that he is getting paid.
Prove that McCain is a liberal.

Prove that you are not a Rushbot.

So you actually want people to believe mcamnesty has changed his stance on illegal aliens? So he gets juan hernandez to work as his "outreach director," and this is how mcamnesty's brother juan thinks....


Dr. Juan Hernandez, McCain Hispanic outreach director: “We must not only have a free flow of goods and services, but also start working for a free flow of people.”

Ooooohh yeeeaaaah.... mcamnesty has SURELY CHANGED HIS MIND.... you gotta be fuckin' retard man. Get a clue.

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 02:45 PM
is he or is he not working on mccains campaign.....

He most assuredly is, and he's one of the most open borders mexicans you'll ever see or hear. He's mister "mexico first."

Here's mcamnesty's man right here....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/2302936756_60ac7f02f3_o.jpg

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 02:54 PM
McCain aide touts 'Mexico first' policy



Skeptics of candidate's immigration stance highlight appointment

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Posted: January 25, 2008
12:45 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Juan Hernandez, center, with President Bush and former Mexican President Vicente Fox
The Hispanic outreach director for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign is a dual American-Mexican citizen known for his "Mexico first" declarations to immigrants in the U.S., WND has confirmed.

Word of the appointment, made in November, spread across the Internet last night, sparking reaction from secure-border activists who charge Juan Hernandez's position in the campaign belies the Republican candidate's attempt to position himself as an advocate of border security.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59890

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 02:59 PM
hired means taking a posistion of employement and providing services to an employer......there are lots of ways to be "paid"......but being paid does not include or preclude on from being hired.....He is a volunteer, volunteers are not hired
A volunteer is someone who works for free serves in a community or for the benefit of natural environment primarily because he chooses to do so.

Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed."


is he or is he not working on mccains campaign.....Sure he is a volunteer working there. Never said he wasn't


So you actually want people to believe mcamnesty has changed his stance on illegal aliens? So he gets juan hernandez to work as his "outreach director," and this is how mcamnesty's brother juan thinks....



Ooooohh yeeeaaaah.... mcamnesty has SURELY CHANGED HIS MIND.... you gotta be fuckin' retard man. Get a clue.
Didn't say he changed his stance, I said you were wrong on his stance.
Still are wrong.

But you go ahead and let Hillary or Obama win in 08'. Hope you like higher taxes, losing in Iraq, liberal justices, universial healthcare, and etc.

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 03:06 PM
He is a volunteer, volunteers are not hired
A volunteer is someone who works for free serves in a community or for the benefit of natural environment primarily because he chooses to do so.

Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as: "A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed."

Sure he is a volunteer working there. Never said he wasn't


Didn't say he changed his stance, I said you were wrong on his stance.
Still are wrong.

But you go ahead and let Hillary or Obama win in 08'. Hope you like higher taxes, losing in Iraq, liberal justices, universial healthcare, and etc.

You've got your head up your ass jerk off. You're kidding yourself, and you're trying to blow the shit up everybody else's pants... ain't workin' chief. mccain is an open borders sell out piece of shit, just like the man he's got working for him "PANDERING" to the illegals and mexicans for their vote.

And don't blame me if hussein or hitlery gets elected. Unlike you, I don't vote for sell outs or RINO's. I vote *FOR* someone, not *AGAINST*. You go ahead and hold your nose or whatever other stupid description you have for selling out your vote, but don't ask me to. I don't sell out my vote.

manu1959
03-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Sure he is a volunteer working there. Never said he wasn't

.

and his boss agreed to let him work there.......and his boss can fire him .......and his boss is.......

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 05:57 PM
You've got your head up your ass jerk off. You're kidding yourself, and you're trying to blow the shit up everybody else's pants... ain't workin' chief. mccain is an open borders sell out piece of shit, just like the man he's got working for him "PANDERING" to the illegals and mexicans for their vote.

And don't blame me if hussein or hitlery gets elected. Unlike you, I don't vote for sell outs or RINO's. I vote *FOR* someone, not *AGAINST*. You go ahead and hold your nose or whatever other stupid description you have for selling out your vote, but don't ask me to. I don't sell out my vote.
It is your fault if you do not vote and Hillary of Obama gets elected. I am voting FOR someone. Not my first choice but since my first choice stepped away then endorsed McCain, and McCain was my second choice I went with it.
You are trying to use one issue to say that McCain is a Liberal and that princess is lying. McCain has a PROVEN conservative record and rating from one of the most conservative groups there is.

and his boss agreed to let him work there.......and his boss can fire him .......and his boss is.......
McCain is his boss, again I NEVER said he wasn't.
I said he was not HIRED or PAID.

manu1959
03-01-2008, 06:01 PM
It is your fault if you do not vote and Hillary of Obama gets elected. I am voting FOR someone. Not my first choice but since my first choice stepped away then endorsed McCain, and McCain was my second choice I went with it.
You are trying to use one issue to say that McCain is a Liberal and that princess is lying. McCain has a PROVEN conservative record and rating from one of the most conservative groups there is.

McCain is his boss, again I NEVER said he wasn't.
I said he was not HIRED or PAID.

if he wasn't hired how did he get to work on the campaign.....and trust me he will get paid.....

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 06:16 PM
if he wasn't hired how did he get to work on the campaign.....and trust me he will get paid.....
Let me say this slowly, campaigns get volunteers all the time to work for them. A volunteer is someone that CHOOSES to help at NO charge.
I volunteer at a soup kitchen and at my church, but I wasn't hired to do so.

Pale Rider
03-01-2008, 06:24 PM
It is your fault if you do not vote and Hillary of Obama gets elected. I am voting FOR someone. Not my first choice but since my first choice stepped away then endorsed McCain, and McCain was my second choice I went with it.
You are trying to use one issue to say that McCain is a Liberal and that princess is lying. McCain has a PROVEN conservative record and rating from one of the most conservative groups there is.

McCain is his boss, again I NEVER said he wasn't.
I said he was not HIRED or PAID.

Sorry slambutt... but if a dem gets elected, it'll be more your fault than mine. I too vote "FOR" someone, and that just is NOT going to be the RINO mclame. I'll either vote independent, libertarian, or write someone in. And if a dem gets in the White House, then the American people are going to get exactly what they deserve, then they can undo it if they're smart four years later.

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 08:12 PM
In other words you are voting AGAINST McCain. Trust me it will be your fault if Hillary of Obama wins.

You have yet to prove McCain a liberal.

The Reverend
03-01-2008, 08:37 PM
Alright Pale it seems that we disagree about McCain. That's fine I can live with that.

Also lets say that I am the one that started this tit for tat. I did so in response to what I thought to believe a very disrepectful and insulting post to me.

So seems we got off to a bad start.

Hmm lets see if we agree on anything

Big government or small government? Me small
Tax cuts or tax hikes? Me Tax cuts
Iraq war winning or losing? Me winning
WoT good or bad? Me Good
Constitution living breathing or not? Me not
Pro-life or pro-abortion? Me pro-life
Patriot act good or bad? Me good
Voted Bush Or Gore or Kerry? Me Bush twice
Should teachers and student be allowed to carry gun to protect themselves? Me yes

Pale Rider
03-02-2008, 01:43 AM
In other words you are voting AGAINST McCain. Trust me it will be your fault if Hillary of Obama wins.
No... it won't. It'll be the peoples fault who voted FOR them, not mine. That little twist that it'll be the fault of someone else is a putrid as the stink on shit pal.


You have yet to prove McCain a liberal.
I don't have to. He's already proven he works just as hard on liberal agendas as he does on conservative. His record. I don't have to prove shit.


Alright Pale it seems that we disagree about McCain. That's fine I can live with that.

Also lets say that I am the one that started this tit for tat. I did so in response to what I thought to believe a very disrepectful and insulting post to me.
And my response was to the arrogant, condescending post of yours. You came to this board with a holier than thou, better than the rest of us, you're going to show us, attitude. Well it doesn't work like that. You have to EARN people's respect. You don't just automatically get it.


So seems we got off to a bad start.

Hmm lets see if we agree on anything

Big government or small government? Me small
Tax cuts or tax hikes? Me Tax cuts
Iraq war winning or losing? Me winning
WoT good or bad? Me Good
Constitution living breathing or not? Me not
Pro-life or pro-abortion? Me pro-life
Patriot act good or bad? Me good
Voted Bush Or Gore or Kerry? Me Bush twice
Should teachers and student be allowed to carry gun to protect themselves? Me yes

Me:

Small government... as small as possible as a matter of fact.
Tax cuts.
Invading Iraq was a major fuck up, as well as how it's been handled. We need to get the fuck otta there.... ASAP! Invading sovereign nations, occupying and nation building is not in our constitution, and something this country ought NOT be doing.
WOT good. Just so long as we maintain a defensive posture. War mongering is not this countries heritage or destiny. mccain is a war monger, and we don't need that.
The Constitution is what this country should live by, and that means what is written in it. We shouldn't dissect it or try and second guess it. It is what it is, and it's not that hard to understand what it says.
Pro life.
Pro Patriot Act.
Voted for bush twice... and regret the hell out of it.
Anyone over eighteen that hasn't been convicted of a violent crime should be allowed to own and carry a firearm, anywhere, anytime.

I'm all for civil debate Rev... that's why I'm here. If you want knock off the sass, no problem. I'm good with that too.

The Reverend
03-02-2008, 07:48 AM
I don't have to. He's already proven he works just as hard on liberal agendas as he does on conservative. His record. I don't have to prove shit.
Sorry but his record prove him to be a conservative.


And my response was to the arrogant, condescending post of yours. You came to this board with a holier than thou, better than the rest of us, you're going to show us, attitude. Well it doesn't work like that. You have to EARN people's respect. You don't just automatically get it.
My post was not meant to be condescending. It was an article written by Michael Medved. And the rest we facts from http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm and the ACU



Me:

Small government... as small as possible as a matter of fact.
Tax cuts.
Invading Iraq was a major fuck up, as well as how it's been handled. We need to get the fuck otta there.... ASAP! Invading sovereign nations, occupying and nation building is not in our constitution, and something this country ought NOT be doing.
WOT good. Just so long as we maintain a defensive posture. War mongering is not this countries heritage or destiny. mccain is a war monger, and we don't need that.
The Constitution is what this country should live by, and that means what is written in it. We shouldn't dissect it or try and second guess it. It is what it is, and it's not that hard to understand what it says.
Pro life.
Pro Patriot Act.
Voted for bush twice... and regret the hell out of it.
Anyone over eighteen that hasn't been convicted of a violent crime should be allowed to own and carry a firearm, anywhere, anytime.

I'm all for civil debate Rev... that's why I'm here. If you want knock off the sass, no problem. I'm good with that too.
Seems we agree on all the above with the exception of leaving Iraq. Sure we shouldn't have went there but sice we did and we broke it it is our duty to fix it. IMO

Civil debate is fine as in uncivil debate either way I will debate and stand my ground

Sir Evil
03-02-2008, 07:58 AM
Sorry chief, but you're really full of shit here. What you're saying is an outright lie, and liars don't last too long here. Not after everybody gets a good look at what you're lying about, and they can easily see. So I have no problem with you beating the RINO mclame drum... feel free. But don't lie son. You'll be branded a liar, and you'll have to live with it for as long as you're here. Now you better wise up and get with it, or liar it is.


Give it a break Mangina, not everyone buys into the shit you spout either. Maybe when you're not quitting because you have been picked on you might consider the replies you give to others, and realize what goes around comes around. :rolleyes:

PostmodernProphet
03-02-2008, 08:41 AM
His record.


83.....yes, his record.....


You came to this board with a holier than thou, better than the rest of us, you're going to show us, attitude.


and if there is anything Pale can't stand, it's competition.......