Officers agree the Military is in trouble

[truthmatters]

http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/officers-agree-the-military-is-in-trouble/

There are limmits to even our great military machine.

[avatar4321]

Let's see if i understand this. Some officers are saying the military is in trouble.

Maybe I'm naive. but wouldnt it be the responsibility of the officers to make sure the military wasnt in trouble? I'm not a military person. But I do understand leadership a little. If the people in charge aren't creating suitable results, isnt it good to get different people in charge?

Can a military person help out here?

[Gaffer]

First is the source. The NYT. The most unAmerican major news organization in the country. Their sources are the Center for a New American Security and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, through its Foreign Policy magazine.

There is no data on what questions were asked or how many. Nor how they got 3400 responses. No ranks of the officers are mentioned. Not even a verification of service. The military does not and is not allowed to make political opinions. So how did they get get answers like this from so many people?

This is TM's bread and butter. Another left wing attempt to bash the military. A little digging will show that its all bullshit full of lies and twisted truths. If TM posts it you can bet it is not factual.

[nevadamedic]

First is the source. The NYT. The most unAmerican major news organization in the country. Their sources are the Center for a New American Security and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, through its Foreign Policy magazine.

There is no data on what questions were asked or how many. Nor how they got 3400 responses. No ranks of the officers are mentioned. Not even a verification of service. The military does not and is not allowed to make political opinions. So how did they get get answers like this from so many people?

This is TM's bread and butter. Another left wing attempt to bash the military. A little digging will show that its all bullshit full of lies and twisted truths. If TM posts it you can bet it is not factual.

She thinks that what ever she reads that is bashing our country is the gods honest truth, no matter what the source. Granted most of her news sources are DU, Code Stink's website and MoveOn.org

[truthmatters]

I have never posted anything from those sites.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4198

The study was not done by the NYTs.

You will ignore any facts you dont like wont you?

[Dilloduck]

I have never posted anything from those sites.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4198

The study was not done by the NYTs.

You will ignore any facts you dont like wont you?

Have Martin show you his mirror.

[Gaffer]

I have never posted anything from those sites.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4198

The study was not done by the NYTs.

You will ignore any facts you dont like wont you?

The sites I listed were the ones the NYT listed as their sources. You really need to read more than the headline before posting.

[Yurt]

I have never posted anything from those sites.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4198

The study was not done by the NYTs.

You will ignore any facts you dont like wont you?

those are opinions, not facts :poke:


Sixty percent say the U.S. military is weaker today than it was five
years ago

assuming this "source" is true, are you saying the other 40 percent are liars?

[bullypulpit]

those are opinions, not facts :poke:



assuming this "source" is true, are you saying the other 40 percent are liars?

I should think that the opinions of current and retired command officers should carry significantly more weight than those of laymen in this particular arena...Don't you?

[bullypulpit]

those are opinions, not facts :poke:



assuming this "source" is true, are you saying the other 40 percent are liars?

I should think that the opinions, based upon the facts on the ground, of current and retired command officers should carry significantly more weight than those of laymen in this particular arena...Don't you?

Lying...? No. Expressing an opinion. Were any of that 40% active, or were they retired? The study doesn't really say. Perhaps you should actually READ the study. The links provided at the end of the piece provide some eye-opening reading as well. But I'm not so sure you rather not just continue to stumble ahead with your eyes closed.

[manu1959]

http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/officers-agree-the-military-is-in-trouble/

There are limmits to even our great military machine.

and yet the dem controled congress does nothing and continues to fund them....

[Yurt]

I should think that the opinions, based upon the facts on the ground, of current and retired command officers should carry significantly more weight than those of laymen in this particular arena...Don't you?

Lying...? No. Expressing an opinion. Were any of that 40% active, or were they retired? The study doesn't really say. Perhaps you should actually READ the study. The links provided at the end of the piece provide some eye-opening reading as well. But I'm not so sure you rather not just continue to stumble ahead with your eyes closed.

yet you do not question the 60% with the same intensity :poke:

[manu1959]

yet you do not question the 60% with the same intensity :poke:

seems the popular vote says......the military is fine......

[MtnBiker]

The government is having a struggle with adminstrating one of its departments? Well we should throw more money at the problem. That is the fix for everything, isn't it?

Truthmatters must be advocating a budget increase for the military.

[truthmatters]

She thinks that what ever she reads that is bashing our country is the gods honest truth, no matter what the source. Granted most of her news sources are DU, Code Stink's website and MoveOn.org


I have never posted anything anywhere from these sites.



http://ivaw.org/index.php

What do you think of these soldiers?

[trobinett]

http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/officers-agree-the-military-is-in-trouble/

There are limmits to even our great military machine.

There are "limits" to everything!

There are even limits to how much BS the NYT should be allowed to spew forth as the truth.

It seems, that ever time I turn around, the NYT has published another story, that lacks in professional diligence.

The article truthmatters uses is just another in a long line of "hit pieces".

I find it amazing, that the left always turns to the NYT to make their point, when ANY one who follows world news knows what kind of mean spirited, and left leaning articles they publish. Not to mention what despicable research they do on their pieces.

[truthmatters]

Heres your problem, the NYTs did not do this study.
Reporting things trobinet doesnt like is not being unfair.






http://ivaw.org/index.php

What do you think of these soldiers?

[AFbombloader]

:salute:

http://ivaw.org/index.php

What do you think of these soldiers?

If you look hard enough you can find anything to suport your views on the internet. You found what you needed to make your point about "unhappy" veterans. Look back in history and you will find the same groups in Vietnam and I'm sure they were around for every war. How many veterans are like me? Not unhappy with the state of the military? Not unhappy with the state of the war? We are ready for anything that comes at us. North Korea....I'm here in South Korea putting missiles and bombs on F-16's.....sound ready to you?

AF

[truthmatters]

70% of all Americans feel the same about this war.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/11/08/poll_opposition_to_iraq_war_at_high/8796/

[Gaffer]

70% of all Americans feel the same about this war.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/11/08/poll_opposition_to_iraq_war_at_high/8796/

According to you 70% of Americans feel that way. The real numbers are not what you say they are.

[truthmatters]

According to you 70% of Americans feel that way. The real numbers are not what you say they are.


http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm




ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 9-12, 2008. N=1,130 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS.

.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

.

Approve Disapprove Unsure

30 69 1
1/9-12/08

[jimnyc]

Sorry, TM, but those 1,000 people, or .00001% of the population, do not speak for me and about 300 million other people.

[manu1959]

70% of all Americans feel the same about this war.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/11/08/poll_opposition_to_iraq_war_at_high/8796/

they asked 1,024 adults ....... 68% feel as you claim (not 70 but thanks for rounding up) .....

the millions of other amercians were not asked ...... hell they didn't even ask the 12 million undocumented workers looking for a better life in this evil country .......

[truthmatters]

You can continue to pretend that the vast majority of Americans think this war is just the greatest thing ever but you are wrong.

It is really sad to see people refuse reality.

[Dilloduck]

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"

The question is bullshit. If I think Bush should nuke the whole place I would have to respond negativley but it sure as hell doesnt mean I dont think we should retreat like you try to infer.

[jimnyc]

You can continue to pretend that the vast majority of Americans think this war is just the greatest thing ever but you are wrong.

It is really sad to see people refuse reality.

And it's sad that you try to use lame polls to speak for 300 million people simply because it states what you want. You can find a stinkin poll to support almost anything you want on the internet these days.

You are just sad.

[truthmatters]

http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=23073316

68 % think pulling out would be a good idea for the economy.

[manu1959]

http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=23073316

68 % think pulling out would be a good idea for the economy.


they asked a 1000 people by phone at home.......so 680 people decide the fate of 300 million.....

[jimnyc]

they asked a 1000 people by phone at home.......so 680 people decide the fate of 300 million.....

And that's all TM needs to know. (or maybe all hell brain can digest in one sitting)

[truthmatters]

It is an indication of what the country is thinking.

You here dont seem to be able to grasp you are in the minority and a vast number of Americans have desided contrary to your stance on this war.

This next election will look much like the 2006 election. Your party will be sent to pasture for the failures to run the country in a way that benifits America.
I know the people on here did not want to hurt America but it has been hurt none the less. I forgive you.

[Dilloduck]

http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=23073316

68 % think pulling out would be a good idea for the economy.

well DUH !!!!!!!

Doesn't mean it's the wise thing to do in the long run .

[truthmatters]

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

some numbers are even worse

[jimnyc]

I forgive you.

Well, I don't forgive you. Your stupidity gives me headaches, anxiety and I believe is responsible for my high cholesterol levels. I smoke more when I read your drivel and spend too much time away from those I care about. My heart races and will likely lead to a coronary some day soon.

You are ruining my entire life!!!

(if you have big boobs, long hair and like to wear skimpy underwear, all is forgiven)

[manu1959]

It is an indication of what the country is thinking.

You here dont seem to be able to grasp you are in the minority and a vast number of Americans have desided contrary to your stance on this war.

This next election will look much like the 2006 election. Your party will be sent to pasture for the failures to run the country in a way that benifits America.
I know the people on here did not want to hurt America but it has been hurt none the less. I forgive you.

it is an indication of what 600 people out of 300,000,000 are thinking.....

you may well be right you may get your chance a dem contrloed congress and pres..... given the last year of inaction by the dem congress and their plumeting approval rating....i can't imagine obama's feel good rallys will work for long....soo 600 people out of 300,000,000 will be asking for his head......hell i can probably find 600 by tomorrow morning.....

[manu1959]

Well, I don't forgive you. Your stupidity gives me headaches, anxiety and I believe is responsible for my high cholesterol levels. I smoke more when I read your drivel and spend too much time away from those I care about. My heart races and will likely lead to a coronary some day soon.

You are ruining my entire life!!!

(if you have big boobs, long hair and like to wear skimpy underwear, all is forgiven)

this is what truth look like in my head.....nws

http://www.page3.com/

[Dilloduck]

this is what truth look like in my head.....nws

http://www.page3.com/

TM is on page 3?????? All is forgiven then. :laugh2:

[manu1959]

TM is on page 3?????? All is forgiven then. :laugh2:

katie from liverpool is TM 4 out of 5 dp posters agree.....

[Dilloduck]

katie from liverpool is TM 4 out of 5 dp posters agree.....

ahhhhhh Katie !!! She aint no Keeley but then again --no one is !! :rock:

[manu1959]

ahhhhhh Katie !!! She aint no Keeley but then again --no one is !! :rock:

seems we have wandered a bit off topic.....i will blame it all on jim's boobie post....he is a bad influence i tell ya....

[Dilloduck]

seems we have wandered a bit off topic.....i will blame it all on jim's boobie post....he is a bad influence i tell ya....

Well he has all the power so the chicks dig him LOL. Besides--every thread TM gets on goes off topic.

[manu1959]

Well he has all the power so the chicks dig him LOL. Besides--every thread TM gets on goes off topic.

it is cuz she looks like katie......hard to focus....on what she is talking about....mush less the color of her eyes....

[Dfresh]

Let's see if i understand this. Some officers are saying the military is in trouble.

Maybe I'm naive. but wouldnt it be the responsibility of the officers to make sure the military wasnt in trouble? I'm not a military person. But I do understand leadership a little. If the people in charge aren't creating suitable results, isnt it good to get different people in charge?

Can a military person help out here?

To answer you question....yes you are naive.

[Dilloduck]

it is cuz she looks like katie......hard to focus....on what she is talking about....mush less the color of her eyes....

I guess she can't post a pic here---probably under some kind of contract with the Sun. :laugh2:

[theHawk]

Its funny how the libs have been claiming that the military is 'on the brink' for the last 3 years.