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Kathianne
02-17-2008, 12:11 AM
Personally I think this should be a required college course, but this is better than nothing:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/02/019803.php



February 15, 2008
Oasis

We devote a fair amount of attention to reporting on depressing developments at college campuses, especially those with which we have connections and/or personal familiarity. Examples include the Stanford law faculty trying to discourage students from interviewing with military recruiters; the administration at William & Mary removing a cross from a college chapel; and the various power plays of the Dartmouth administration and trustees designed in part to allow the college to continue unchecked its leftward drift.

It's a real pleasure, then, to report that George Mason Law School, under the leadership of its dean, Dan Polsby, will require first-year law students to take a course titled The Founders’ Constitution. This course “will require students to read a large number of important original legal sources familiar to the founding generation, ranging from Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights to the Federalist (and Anti-Federalist) Papers, along with constitutional debates at the Philadelphia Convention and in the First Congress.” As Ed Whelan notes, while "those who have not suffered the detriment of a modern legal education" might assume that courses in constitutional law require students to immerse themselves in study of the founding materials, this is not the case. Rather, "so-called constitutional law has come to be thought to be synonymous with the last few decades of Supreme Court decisionmaking."

But Dean Polsby explains: “Judges come and go, along with elected officials, but the Constitution endures. It is essential that future lawyers have a fundamental understanding of this central governing document.” Or, as one George Mason faculty member told me: “We just thought that law students should study the Constitution before they study [Justice] Brennan.”

UPDATE: I should have added that the faculty for The Founders' Constitution includes the brilliant Jeremy Rabkin. Professor Rabkin joined the George Mason law faculty last year after 27 years at Cornell where he established himself as, among other things, a leading authority on international law and a powerful voice for national sovereignty. The study of our written constitution and its origins probably bears some relationship to the case for preserving our sovereignty.

actsnoblemartin
02-17-2008, 12:19 AM
another great post, from one of my favorite posters on the board, and i agree, students need a good grasp, a well round education on our history


Personally I think this should be a required college course, but this is better than nothing:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/02/019803.php

pegwinn
02-17-2008, 12:54 AM
Is this a private college I wonder?

The indoctrinistas are gonna get ma'ad.

Good find Kath.

Kathianne
02-17-2008, 12:57 AM
Is this a private college I wonder?

The indoctrinistas are gonna get ma'ad.

Good find Kath.

George Mason is private I believe, but pretty good law school (http://www.law.gmu.edu/currnews/usnews2004.html).

avatar4321
02-17-2008, 01:54 AM
an excellent. idea. wish i could have taken the course. I was also under the false impression that the Constitutional law class would be more like that, but its just case law. That class sounds much more interesting.

Abbey Marie
02-17-2008, 11:35 AM
Kathianne, that is AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME!!!!! My God, when I think of the liberal-slanted Con Law course I took my first year, and compare it with this, I could cry. I would like to enroll just to take the course.

Do you have any further info handy on the William & Mary cross removal from a chapel? Right now, W&M is first on my daughter's college list.

(Tried to rep you- I'll catch you later)

pegwinn
02-17-2008, 12:11 PM
George Mason is private I believe, but pretty good law school (http://www.law.gmu.edu/currnews/usnews2004.html).

IF it is private, sans fed funds, there is a good chance it is better than a publically funded school.

Kathianne
02-17-2008, 12:38 PM
IF it is private, sans fed funds, there is a good chance it is better than a publically funded school.

Of course it probably does receive some government funding, at least regarding loans and Pell. I believe though at the college level, schools have a right to set Gen Ed requirements.

Hobbit
02-17-2008, 01:15 PM
That's my sister's alma mater. I had never heard of it when she first enrolled, but I feel better about her decision every time I see ANOTHER GM professor quoted in a good column.

Abbey Marie
02-17-2008, 01:44 PM
Found the William & Mary story. The cross was removed, then restored under pressure, particularly by alumni threatening to withhold millions in donations.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Chapel+cross+returns+at+College+of+William+%26+Mar y-a0162511084

Kathianne
02-17-2008, 01:52 PM
Found the William & Mary story. The cross was removed, then restored under pressure, particularly by alumni threatening to withhold millions in donations.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Chapel+cross+returns+at+College+of+William+%26+Mar y-a0162511084

I meant to look for that and forgot! Sorry. Did you see that the President resigned recently, when he was notified he would not be offered a contract for the coming year?

http://www.wm.edu/news/?id=8672

Abbey Marie
02-17-2008, 02:09 PM
I meant to look for that and forgot! Sorry. Did you see that the President resigned recently, when he was notified he would not be offered a contract for the coming year?

http://www.wm.edu/news/?id=8672

Fascinating read; thanks Kathianne. The Prez championed a "Sex Workers Art Show" on campus, but banned the display of a cross in a chapel. Very cool that he was essentially forced out. I worry about my daughter's spiritual and moral development over the upcoming four college years, wherever she goes. Thank goodness we have brought her up as we have.

Kathianne
02-17-2008, 02:17 PM
Fascinating read; thanks Kathianne. The Prez championed a "Sex Workers Art Show" on campus, but banned the display of a cross in a chapel. Very cool that he was essentially forced out. I worry about my daughter's spiritual and moral development over the upcoming four college years, wherever she goes. Thank goodness we have brought her up as we have.

I am strongly of the belief that you've taught the values you are able to by the time they are 16 or so. If they've learned their lessons, they won't go far wrong, I think it may be harder for parents to reconcile this with an only). It's not unusual for later high school/college for kids to argue differently with their parents, most are back to the parents' point of view, by the time they are married. :laugh2:

Hugh Lincoln
02-17-2008, 04:13 PM
They will be charged with promoting "hate speech" by the Southern Poverty Law Center.