Name one accomplishment by Hillary or Obama?

[Little-Acorn]

TV News shows have been covering the tight race between Hillary and Obama, and several have gotten groups of supporters for the various candidates on screen to ask them why they support their candidate. The supporters usually reply that Hillary has more experience, or that Obama will provide fresh new direction, etc. etc.

When Fox News does such interviews, Sean Hannity always comes on at the end, and asks the supporters to name one accomplishment their candidate has successfully done.

Every time he has done this, at least in the shows I've caught, the supporters draw a complete blank. It's truly comical to watch. Even the people who like Hillary or Obama, cannot come up with a single real reason for doing so, other than "He is inspiring" or "She offers universal health care" - both simply examples of rhetoric and promises from politicians. A few try to change the subject to other candidates, but not one has yet named an actual accomplishment of their own favored candidate.

Would anyone here like to try answering the question?

What have either Hillary or Obama accomplished in their careers?

[avatar4321]

They managed to win Senate seats in extremely liberal states against opponents that were never competitive.

[manu1959]

i saw this last night....i liked the lady that "passed" on national television....:laugh2:

[Little-Acorn]

I've heard Hannity ask the question several nights running, of different Democrat groups. You could almost hear crickets chipring in the silence, each time after he asked.

It was weird.

[hjmick]

They managed to win Senate seats in extremely liberal states against opponents that were never competitive.

Oh come on...Alan Keyes is always competitive!

[April15]

Neither is a republican!

[glockmail]

Neither is a republican! You failed to answer too! :lol:

[Immanuel]

They managed to win Senate seats in extremely liberal states against opponents that were never competitive.

That in itself is an accomplishment. They scared off the competition in one way or another and they won their seats. Got to give them credit for that.

Immie

[April15]

You failed to answer too! :lol:Why is that some kind of failure to be a republican. I wouldn't be a republican if they were talibans finest! Sorry they are, opps.

[glockmail]

Why is that some kind of failure to be a republican. I wouldn't be a republican if they were talibans finest! Sorry they are, opps.
2nd try, you failed again! :lol:

[avatar4321]

Why is that some kind of failure to be a republican. I wouldn't be a republican if they were talibans finest! Sorry they are, opps.

You realize registering for a political party over another doesnt qualify anyone for anything other than voting in the primary don't you?

Seriously, why dont you even attempt to answer the question? Are your candidates that weak?

[Microcosmos]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota

Referring to Obama:

"Given that he's one of the most junior members of the Senate, his successful efforts to secure additional funding for veterans' medical care and energy development in Illinois are no small feats. But considering that he's one of the most famous politicians in America, the accomplishments are fairly mundane."

[Little-Acorn]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota

Referring to Obama:

"Given that he's one of the most junior members of the Senate, his successful efforts to secure additional funding for veterans' medical care and energy development in Illinois are no small feats. But considering that he's one of the most famous politicians in America, the accomplishments are fairly mundane."

In other words, Obama was good at pulling in pork.

OK, one "accomplishment".

:clap:

[theHawk]

TV News shows have been covering the tight race between Hillary and Obama, and several have gotten groups of supporters for the various candidates on screen to ask them why they support their candidate. The supporters usually reply that Hillary has more experience, or that Obama will provide fresh new direction, etc. etc.

When Fox News does such interviews, Sean Hannity always comes on at the end, and asks the supporters to name one accomplishment their candidate has successfully done.

Every time he has done this, at least in the shows I've caught, the supporters draw a complete blank. It's truly comical to watch. Even the people who like Hillary or Obama, cannot come up with a single real reason for doing so, other than "He is inspiring" or "She offers universal health care" - both simply examples of rhetoric and promises from politicians. A few try to change the subject to other candidates, but not one has yet named an actual accomplishment of their own favored candidate.

Would anyone here like to try answering the question?

What have either Hillary or Obama accomplished in their careers?

Hey, Obama is really good at talking. And he is going to be a Uniter! Pay no attention to his short Senate record, step in line and follow him like a good lemming. :laugh2:

[Kathianne]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota

Referring to Obama:

"Given that he's one of the most junior members of the Senate, his successful efforts to secure additional funding for veterans' medical care and energy development in Illinois are no small feats. But considering that he's one of the most famous politicians in America, the accomplishments are fairly mundane."

An enlightening article, thanks for posting.


...Obama has a remarkable ability to convince you that his positions are motivated purely by principles, not tactical considerations. This skill is so subtle and impressive, it resembles Luke Skywalker's mastery of the Force. It's a powerful tool for a Democratic Party that often emanates calculation rather than conviction. "I don't think in ideological terms. I never have," Obama said, continuing on the healthcare theme. "Everybody who supports single-payer healthcare says, 'Look at all this money we would be saving from insurance and paperwork.' That represents 1 million, 2 million, 3 million jobs of people who are working at Blue Cross Blue Shield or Kaiser or other places. What are we doing with them? Where are we employing them?"

Shifting back to how he sees himself in the Senate, Obama seemed to amend his previous statement about what kind of leadership progressives can expect from him. "I am agnostic in terms of the models that solve these problems," he said. "If the only way to solve a problem is structural, institutional change, then I will be for structural, institutional change. If I think we can achieve those same goals within the existing institutions, then I am going to try to do that, because I think it's going to be easier to do and less disruptive and less costly and less painful.... I think everybody in this country should have basic healthcare. And what I'm trying to figure out is how to get from here to there." He went on to tell me about his support for other structural changes such as public financing of elections, forcing broadcasters to offer free airtime for candidates, adding strong labor protections to trade pacts and major efforts to create a more just tax system.

Obama is telling the truth--he's not opposed to structural changes at all. However, he appears to be interested in fighting only for those changes that fit within the existing boundaries of what's considered mainstream in Washington, instead of using his platform to redefine those boundaries. This posture comes even as polls consistently show that Washington's definition of mainstream is divorced from the rest of the country's (for example, politicians' refusal to debate the war even as polls show that Americans want the troops home).

Obama's deference to these boundaries was hammered home to me when our discussion touched on the late Senator Paul Wellstone. Obama said the progressive champion was "magnificent." He also gently but dismissively labeled Wellstone as merely a "gadfly," in a tone laced with contempt for the senator who, for instance, almost single-handedly prevented passage of the bankruptcy bill for years over the objections of both parties. This clarified Obama's support for the Hamilton Project, an organization formed by Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and other Wall Street Democrats to fight back against growing populist outrage within the party. And I understood why Beltway publications and think tanks have heaped praise on Obama and want him to run for President. It's because he has shown a rare ability to mix charisma and deference to the establishment.

Barack Obama makes a convincing case that he is not overly motivated by political machinations. Many have accused him of Hillary Clinton-style positioning for a potential presidential run. But that kind of calculation does not appear to be in play, at least not right now--and Obama chafes when anyone implies the opposite. "You should always assume that when I cast a vote or make a statement it is because it is what I believe in," he said. "The thing that bothers me is the assumption that if I make a judgment that's different from yours, then it must mean I am less progressive or my goals are different, meaning I must be not really committed to helping people but rather I am trying to triangulate or drift toward the DLC [Democratic Leadership Council]."

Still, there's no question that his passions are confined by intense caution. Joan Claybrook, president of the consumer watchdog group Public Citizen, tells the story of how, after Obama voted for the class-action bill, he attended a meeting of public-interest groups. "We were worried about what his vote indicated about him for the future," she said. "And he told us, 'Sometimes you have to trim your sails.' And I asked myself, Trim your sails for what? You just got elected by a wide margin--what are you trimming your sails for?" ....

[red states rule]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota

Referring to Obama:

"Given that he's one of the most junior members of the Senate, his successful efforts to secure additional funding for veterans' medical care and energy development in Illinois are no small feats. But considering that he's one of the most famous politicians in America, the accomplishments are fairly mundane."

So he has a record of acomplishment of brining back the pork to his home state

Other then that he has done nothing, except earn the ranking as the most liberal Senator - beating out Ted "hic" Kennedy

If you actually tio lisent to Obama's speechs he tells you nothing on how he is going to keep his promises - all he does is say focus group approved catch phrases

And he kooks the libs in the audience and then reels them in

[Immanuel]

So he has a record of acomplishment of brining back the pork to his home state

Other then that he has done nothing, except earn the ranking as the most liberal Senator - beating out Ted "hic" Kennedy

If you actually tio lisent to Obama's speechs he tells you nothing on how he is going to keep his promises - all he does is say focus group approved catch phrases

And he kooks the libs in the audience and then reels them in

We're you up all night? Have you been drinking this early?

tio - what's that?

lisent ?

kooks ?

Pass around the bottle will ya?

That last sentence didn't make sense, but I'm just teasing you about it.

The real point I wanted to make about your post is when you say that he tells us nothing about how he is going to keep his promises and the focus group approved catch phrases that this is not any different from any other candidate for as far back as I can remember. It seems to be the SOP for any political campaign be it for President or City Dog Catcher. Tell them what they want to hear but don't tell them that you can't and won't do it if you are elected.

Immie

[red states rule]

We're you up all night? Have you been drinking this early?

tio - what's that?

lisent ?

kooks ?

Pass around the bottle will ya?

That last sentence didn't make sense, but I'm just teasing you about it.

The real point I wanted to make about your post is when you say that he tells us nothing about how he is going to keep his promises and the focus group approved catch phrases that this is not any different from any other candidate for as far back as I can remember. It seems to be the SOP for any political campaign be it for President or City Dog Catcher. Tell them what they want to hear but don't tell them that you can't and won't do it if you are elected.

Immie

As he hooks the libs in the audience and then reels them in

I beg to differ, Republican candidates asre always asked how they plan to keep their promises by the liberal media

With Dems, the liberal media sing thier pariases and never, ever ask for specifics

[theHawk]

As he hooks the libs in the audience and then reels them in

I beg to differ, Republican candidates asre always asked how they plan to keep their promises by the liberal media

With Dems, the liberal media sing thier pariases and never, ever ask for specifics

Yea, its pretty scary how he is being treated by the media and how the liberals follow him like sheep. I don't believe the world has seen this charismatic of a speaker since Hitler.

[red states rule]

Yea, its pretty scary how he is being treated by the media and how the liberals follow him like sheep. I don't believe the world has seen this charismatic of a speaker since Hitler.

The liberal media is NOT telling you what he wants to do. Over $2 trillion in new taxes, $850 billion in new spending (and we have 9 months until the election, so keeps the Spend-O-Meter ready to go up)

He wants to reason with terrorists, cut and run from Iraq, amnesty, more handouts to the lazy, and the typical socialist agenda

[gabosaurus]

Name an accomplishment by McCain.

[manu1959]

Name an accomplishment by McCain.

so you don't have any obama clinton accomplishments either huh....

[gabosaurus]

Hillary -- hmm... well, she never dumped Bill. That is certainly an accomplishment!

Obama -- not indebted to special interests, not a member of the Washington back room establishment. Has yet to invade any sovereign countries.

[Gaffer]

Name an accomplishment by McCain.

As usual you can't answer the question. This thread isn't about McCain.

[Dilloduck]

Hillary -- hmm... well, she never dumped Bill. That is certainly an accomplishment!

Obama -- not indebted to special interests, not a member of the Washington back room establishment. Has yet to invade any sovereign countries.

you better check the bucks Obama has spent on super delegates and dont tell me they ain't special interests.

[manu1959]

Hillary -- hmm... well, she never dumped Bill. That is certainly an accomplishment!

Obama -- not indebted to special interests, not a member of the Washington back room establishment. Has yet to invade any sovereign countries.

not dumping a person that cheated on you is considered an acomplishment....

you should read obama's list of major donors....

we can only hope he doesn't get the chance....

[red states rule]

Hillary -- hmm... well, she never dumped Bill. That is certainly an accomplishment!

Obama -- not indebted to special interests, not a member of the Washington back room establishment. Has yet to invade any sovereign countries.

Hillary hung on to Bill becuase she thought he would help her in the campaign - she was wrong

Obama has many ties to special interest. For one, he bought land that expanded his backyard from a mob connected doner

Being a Senator how could be declare war? Hell, he wants to sign the surrender documents to the terrorists on behalf of the US