Yes!!!! Hillary's Strategy Creates A Massive Black-Latino Divide

[NATO AIR]

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=269

Glad to see Hillary sowing the seeds of the party's destruction here by creating this massive racial divide between blacks and Latinos.

What you will end up seeing is Obama taking a few states on Feb. 5th (in addition to SC), mostly in the South. Hillary gets the nomination, but the base is so polarized because of her tactics to label Obama as a "black" candidate that you have 70-75% of blacks writing Obama's name in on the ballot in November or voting Republican. Count also a good 10% of the Democratic Party who are furious with her for doing this, as well as another 15% or so who hate the Clintons regardless. You may also get another 5-10% who won't vote for Clinton on the principle of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton being bad for the country.

Ah... the fruits of a GOP realignment in November. Even Romney could probably not screw this up.

How many blacks end up voting for the GOP presidential candidate? It could be a fascinating number and if played right, an enduring realignment for the GOP that benefits them greatly across the board.

[theHawk]

Wishful thinking. It won't effect the black vote in the end, unless Obama ends up running as an independant.

[NATO AIR]

Wishful thinking. It won't effect the black vote in the end, unless Obama ends up running as an independant.

I don't see that. Maybe only 50% of the black vote goes this route, but that's still a hefty hit to her base. People are opening their eyes for once and seeing the Clintons never did **** for them, and now are willing to tear down a black man's candidacy in order to win at any cost. I've heard that repeated over and over on black radio and blogs, how the Clintons went "racial" intentionally and that will not be forgotten.

[Little-Acorn]

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=269
because of her tactics to label Obama as a "black" candidate

What tactics were these, exactly?

I haven't been paying much attention to the Democrats in the race, since their proffered positions are so nearly alike as to be unimportant. Doesn't much matter which socialist you pick to take your resources, punish your business, and restrict your freedom.

I caught Hillary's comment (or was it Bill, same thing) that MLK wasn't the only one who pushed for civil rights in the 60s, it took a President (Johnson) to actually get it into law. Others immediately screamed that she was demeaning King, and a few hysterics tried to pretend her comment was somehow racist, as Democrats often do. Sounds like things went downhill from there. And Hillary and Obama have been sniping at each other ever since, mostly in the You-said-that-No-I-didn't-Yes-you-did mode, just like the pissing contests that regularly occur on this board.

Were any other racial comments made? Or, were any other comments made that people are trying to twist into racial areas? If so, I missed them, being not particularly interested in what Democrats say to each other. But I'd like to get a handle on whether there was any actual racism here, or whether people are simply trying to pin that label on each other when neither is in fact racist.

What is the "racial" controversy over?

[NATO AIR]

What tactics were these, exactly?

I haven't been paying much attention to the Democrats in the race, since their proffered positions are so nearly alike as to be unimportant. Doesn't much matter which socialist you pick to take your resources, punish your business, and restrict your freedom.

I caught Hillary's comment (or was it Bill, same thing) that MLK wasn't the only one who pushed for civil rights in the 60s, it took a President (Johnson) to actually get it into law. Others immediately screamed that she was demeaning King, and a few hysterics tried to pretend her comment was somehow racist, as Democrats often do. Sounds like things went downhill from there. And Hillary and Obama have been sniping at each other ever since, mostly in the You-said-that-No-I-didn't-Yes-you-did mode, just like the pissing contests that regularly occur on this board.

Were any other racial comments made? Or, were any other comments made that people are trying to twist into racial areas? If so, I missed them, being not particularly interested in what Democrats say to each other. But I'd like to get a handle on whether there was any actual racism here, or whether people are simply trying to pin that label on each other when neither is in fact racist.

What is the "racial" controversy over?

Its a brilliant strategy of baiting Obama's supporters.

It started in December when HRC's co-chair made comments about bringing up Obama's drug use, that that would be a big issue with voters in IA & NH and elsewhere.

Some people smelled a rat there. A bit of an outcry, but not much. He did resign though partly because his comments violated a promise HRC had made to Obama about the drug use when he was a teenager (Presumably for no talk about Bill's sex life and family values).

It really blew up with Bill's comments and attitude towards Obama. He started acting condescending towards him, twisting Obama's words while dismissing his views as a fairy tale and complaining about his media coverage. He made it worse because he would come onto black radio and apologize, yet would lie some more and get called out on it by some of his hosts on the air.

Hillary's comments about King & LBJ were quite misconstrued. I honestly think this was the one "oh crap, I didn't mean that" comment of her campaign. Yet the Clintons were already on thin ice with many blacks over Bill's behavior and the comments of her surrogates about Obama's drugs and his lack of "Experience".

The nuclear attack from HRC was Bob Johnson, who is viewed by most in the black community as a vile purveyor of gangsta lyrics and videos on BET, hitting Obama again on the drug use during a speech he made introducing Clinton. He lied and said he was talking about Obama's community activism, and Bill backed him up. Caught lying again, people got even more pissed.

Obama has run a relatively identify free campaign. He hasn't focused on black issues but has tried to overcome that by talking about unity and purpose. I think a lot of it is bunk but it was working. Once Hillary had to pull the woman card with her crying and complaining about men ganging up on her, they knew they'd have to pigeonhole him as the black candidate. Thus they did, with the added benefit of dimming his appeal to Latinos, who historically have not voted for black candidates.

The key is not what Obama says in response to this, its how his supporters respond. Unfortunately, they took the HRC bait over and over again and lit up the airwaves and the internets complaining about Billary bringing race into the campaign. That was music to HRC's ears, because it made Obama out to be a "black candidate".

The problem here is its slash n burn politics, which is fine in a general election but not in a primary.... especially not the Dem primary because they depend on each little group in their alliance (Blacks, gays, Hispanics, poor people, liberals, feminists, etc.) coming together in the general election.

That's not likely to happen for her though. Which essentially is dooming her candidacy for president. If blacks don't come out for her, she's doomed with the kind of negatives she already has with independents and Republicans.

[typomaniac]

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=269

Glad to see Hillary sowing the seeds of the party's destruction here by creating this massive racial divide between blacks and Latinos.

Creating? No. It's always been there.

[Kathianne]

Wishful thinking. It won't effect the black vote in the end, unless Obama ends up running as an independant.

Maybe, but if Hillary wins the nomination, the black vote may well be surpressed. If Obama wins, the Hispanic vote may return to the GOP.

[typomaniac]

Maybe, but if Hillary wins the nomination, the black vote may well be surpressed. If Obama wins, the Hispanic vote may return to the GOP.

The only prayer the GOP has of getting the Hispanics is to nominate someone with an immigration policy like McCain's.

[avatar4321]

The only prayer the GOP has of getting the Hispanics is to nominate someone with an immigration policy like McCain's.

Bullcrap. That would only be the case if we were going for the illegal vote. The hispanics who are here legally are fully in support of border enforcement and no amnesty.

[typomaniac]

Bullcrap. That would only be the case if we were going for the illegal vote. The hispanics who are here legally are fully in support of border enforcement and no amnesty.
Many do, and more who are already here legally just want their extended families with them: paperwork be damned.

[NATO AIR]

Maybe, but if Hillary wins the nomination, the black vote may well be surpressed. If Obama wins, the Hispanic vote may return to the GOP.

Excellent points by Avatar & Kathianne.

Also very astute observation by Typo about the divide being there... I think its getting far worse over this though.

Billary is playing this to a fiddle.....