John McCain: Media-Approved Liberal

[Pale Rider]

John McCain: Media-Approved Liberal



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Posted: January 16, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Andrew Longman

There are only two reasons John McCain is enjoying a resurgence in the polls.
First, the media love him as their third-best liberal Republican, and second he is the only person in the race who gives the appearance of understanding the war on terror.

Both of these are ephemera, but they are news-cycle truths.

First, we had the pro-abortion, pro-gay, socialist "Republican" the New York media had picked to foist on America's Christians. When that didn't work, the media quickly shifted to the Mormon high priest, to try to force him down Dr. Dobson's throat. The media have sneered and leered and hoped, but they've now relegated Romney to the next-time file.

Who does that leave?

The neo-pagan press prides themselves on being able to "create anybody" as a viable candidate … whether they can or not. The press is aware that their power to foist on the Christians isn't infinite, but they believe that with dedication and division, strife and denunciation, they can fracture the evangelical right and someday destroy it. So they keep trying. Having successfully ginned-up McCain in 2000, where he almost beat the openly evangelical George W. Bush, they have gone to the Straight Talk Express as their fallback plan, and they are delighted to see it's working.

One problem.

McCain is a huge liberal.

A must read the rest article here... (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59706)

[Pale Rider]

C'mon you McLame lovers... defend your liberal... :cool:

[Psychoblues]

Answering yourself again, pr? After only 6 minutes without a response you get all squirrelly? Talk to your nurse. There is medication that will relax you and make you feel more "normal".

[Pale Rider]

Answering yourself again, pr? After only 6 minutes without a response you get all squirrelly? Talk to your nurse. There is medication that will relax you and make you feel more "normal".

And this your defense of McLame? You love him so much, and this is it? A personal attack on me? :lame2:

You need a time out to regroup and sober up. Go to bed skippy.

[Psychoblues]

You silly gose, pr!!!!!!!!!!



And this your defense of McLame? You love him so much, and this is it? A personal attack on me? :lame2:

You need a time out to regroup and sober up. Go to bed skippy.

I made no personal attack, pr, and I have not alerted the admin on anything you have said to me. Seriously cowgirl, you need to get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did your nurse have to say about all this?

John McCain is a United States Hero. You gotta problem with that? Take it up with your "company" commander, OK? Again, what was that Air Force Company in which you were attached?

Skippy? That's what queers call their prespectives. Are you a queer?

[Pale Rider]

You silly gose, pr!!!!!!!!!!

I made no personal attack, pr, and I have not alerted the admin on anything you have said to me. Seriously cowgirl, you need to get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did your nurse have to say about all this?

John McCain is a United States Hero. You gotta problem with that? Take it up with your "company" commander, OK? Again, what was that Air Force Company in which you were attached?

Skippy? That's what queers call their prespectives. Are you a queer?

Gee PR... I didn't make any personal attacks on you... are you a queer? And what company were you in... cowgirl? And I'm not doing anything wrong... like calling you names or anything... what did your nurse say?

Gimme a fuckin' break Pb. You're about as innocent as Jeffery Dahmer, so quit acting like a moron.

Try the 474th Tactical Fighter Wing, Nellis AFB on for size, 1/79 to 10/83. I was a 32697C when I got out. I was a 32677C when I worked on the F-16's. Now what did you do in the AF? Wipe butts at the hospital or clean garbage cans out behind the chow hall?

[Psychoblues]

I'll check it out, sensitive one. In the meantime can you explain the "company" thing? I was in a military "company" when I was in Army ROTC but I was never in a "company" in the Air Force. Surely with all your years of Air Force experience you can answer that simple question, can't you?

[Pale Rider]

I'll check it out, sensitive one. In the meantime can you explain the "company" thing? I was in a military "company" when I was in Army ROTC but I was never in a "company" in the Air Force. Surely with all your years of Air Force experience you can answer that simple question, can't you?

"Squadron"... dipshit... OK. In the AF it's Flight, Squadron, Wing, Command. Now don't nit pick. Let's hear what you did in the AF. Wipe butts at the hospital or scrub toilets in the barracks?

By the way... don't think I don't know what you're doing here either, because I do, and it's going to be evident to everyone else too. Instead of defending McLame being a liberal, you chose to insult me and start a pissing contest instead. Fine... but that means I already won the McLame point then, because you got nothing.

[Psychoblues]

You don't have to worry about me, pr, John McCain is far smarter, braver and has experienced far more as an American citizen than either of us can claim.

I've described my duties in the Air Force and the Air National Guard several times on this board. But, I guess I ain't such a stateside hero as you with all that Nellis experience and all!!!!!! What a ass-smootching you had to do back in the day for Nellis duty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[red states rule]

You don't have to worry about me, pr, John McCain is far smarter, braver and has experienced far more as an American citizen than either of us can claim.

I've described my duties in the Air Force and the Air National Guard several times on this board. But, I guess I ain't such a stateside hero as you with all that Nellis experience and all!!!!!! What a ass-smootching you had to do back in the day for Nellis duty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain is the darling of the liberal media since he is a liberal. Their biased reporting shows they are in love with him until he strays off their approved list of liberal positions on the issues

[Pale Rider]

You don't have to worry about me, pr, John McCain is far smarter, braver and has experienced far more as an American citizen than either of us can claim.

I've described my duties in the Air Force and the Air National Guard several times on this board. But, I guess I ain't such a stateside hero as you with all that Nellis experience and all!!!!!! What a ass-smootching you had to do back in the day for Nellis duty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, all you can come up with is bull shit guessing and diatribe about my service time, which you have absolutely no fucking idea about, and more hot air about McLame. And since you can't bring yourself to mention what it was you did in the AF, I understand. I wouldn't want anyone to know I was states side supply clerk either. By the way, how much boot did you lick to get your first stripe?

Maybe you can come up with more of a defense for McLame after you sober up.

[red states rule]

Again, all you can come up with is bull shit guessing and diatribe about my service time, which you have absolutely no fucking idea about, and more hot air about McLame. You can't even remember what YOU did in the AF, let alone ME.

It's almost disappointing Pb. I thought you'd have more in you than that. But, I guess you lose steam when you drink. Maybe you can come up with more a defense for McLame after you sober up.

PR, I have him running on another thread as well.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=9553&page=58

[Pale Rider]

PR, I have him running on another thread as well.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=9553&page=58

He's drunk tonight/this morning, and been on a real roll, antagonising everyone on the board.

Let him go. That's usually how he gets himself banned. Maybe he will this time too.

[red states rule]

He's drunk tonight/this morning, and been on a real roll, antagonising everyone on the board.

Let him go. That's usually how he gets himself banned. Maybe he will this time too.

Hey, if I keep hitting him with facts, he will flip out and get banned

It would be a public service on my part

[red states rule]

Back to the threads topic. I found this gem


Tobacco, Taxes Sunk McCain in 2000 S.C. Primary, Not Dirty Tricks
By Ken Shepherd | January 18, 2008 - 14:39 ET

One of the American mainstream media's favorite John McCain memes is that South Carolina voters rejected the Arizona Republican in 2000 because of a baseless smear campaign about McCain's personal life. That bias is so infectious it's now a global pandemic, just witness this item from the January 18 edition of the London-based Financial Times:

McCain hopes to avoid repeat of 2000

For John McCain, victory in tomorrow's Republican primary in South Carolina would exorcise the ghosts of the bitterest moment in his political career.

It was in South Carolina in 2000 that his first presidential campaign crumbled after a vicious smear campaign by supporters of his opponent, George W. Bush.

A barrage of misinformation was spread through phone calls and leaflets, including claims the Arizona senator had fathered an illegitimate black child and that his wife was a drug addict.

The smears reinforced doubts about Mr McCain among social conservatives and helped deliver Mr Bush a victory that set him on course for the Republican nomination.

The problem, of course is that the smear tactics were not only never proven to be linked to the Bush campaign, they are taken on face value as THE driving factor rather than conservative distaste for the more liberal stances of John McCain when set in contrast to then-Gov. Bush.

For example, McCain ran, to be charitable, gun-shy on income tax cuts compared to then-Gov. Bush's tax cut plans. What's more, McCain actually pushed some tax hikes and demagogic rhetoric about a major industry in South Carolina centered on the state's most profitable cash crop, tobacco

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/01/18/tobacco-taxes-sunk-mccain-2000-s-c-primary-not-dirty-tricks

[Pale Rider]

Back to the threads topic. I found this gem


Tobacco, Taxes Sunk McCain in 2000 S.C. Primary, Not Dirty Tricks
By Ken Shepherd | January 18, 2008 - 14:39 ET

One of the American mainstream media's favorite John McCain memes is that South Carolina voters rejected the Arizona Republican in 2000 because of a baseless smear campaign about McCain's personal life. That bias is so infectious it's now a global pandemic, just witness this item from the January 18 edition of the London-based Financial Times:

McCain hopes to avoid repeat of 2000

For John McCain, victory in tomorrow's Republican primary in South Carolina would exorcise the ghosts of the bitterest moment in his political career.

It was in South Carolina in 2000 that his first presidential campaign crumbled after a vicious smear campaign by supporters of his opponent, George W. Bush.

A barrage of misinformation was spread through phone calls and leaflets, including claims the Arizona senator had fathered an illegitimate black child and that his wife was a drug addict.

The smears reinforced doubts about Mr McCain among social conservatives and helped deliver Mr Bush a victory that set him on course for the Republican nomination.

The problem, of course is that the smear tactics were not only never proven to be linked to the Bush campaign, they are taken on face value as THE driving factor rather than conservative distaste for the more liberal stances of John McCain when set in contrast to then-Gov. Bush.

For example, McCain ran, to be charitable, gun-shy on income tax cuts compared to then-Gov. Bush's tax cut plans. What's more, McCain actually pushed some tax hikes and demagogic rhetoric about a major industry in South Carolina centered on the state's most profitable cash crop, tobacco

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/01/18/tobacco-taxes-sunk-mccain-2000-s-c-primary-not-dirty-tricks

I was already aware of the facts in this article from another one that stated the same thing. In any case, it's a good addition to the thread.

Thanks rsr. :salute:

[PostmodernProphet]

C'mon you McLame lovers... defend your liberal...

Republicans keep voting for him.......

[red states rule]

I was already aware of the facts in this article from another one that stated the same thing. In any case, it's a good addition to the thread.

Thanks rsr. :salute:

You are welcome. It shows how Mccain is a RINO and that is why the liberal media provides him cover from the facts

[Pale Rider]

Republicans keep voting for him.......

I wouldn't call them Republicans... I'd call them RINO's, just like McLame.

[red states rule]

I wouldn't call them Republicans... I'd call them RINO's, just like McLame.

We are all waiting for some straight talk - but then McCain would be running on the Dem side

Oh, he is

Sorry


Waiting for Straight Talk
By George Will

In 2004, one of John McCain's closest associates, John Weaver, spoke to John Kerry about the possibility of McCain running as Kerry's vice presidential running mate. In "No Excuses," Bob Shrum's memoir of his role in numerous presidential campaigns, including Kerry's, Shrum writes that Weaver assured Kerry that "McCain was serious about the possibility of teaming up with him," and Kerry approached McCain. He, however, was more serious about seeking the 2008 Republican nomination.

But was it unreasonable for Kerry to think McCain might be comfortable on a Democratic ticket? Not really.

In ABC's New Hampshire debate, McCain said: "Why shouldn't we be able to reimport drugs from Canada?" A conservative's answer is:

That amounts to importing Canada's price controls, a large step toward a system in which some medicines would be inexpensive but many others -- new pain-relieving, life-extending pharmaceuticals -- would be unavailable. Setting drug prices by government fiat rather than market forces results in huge reductions of funding for research and development of new drugs. McCain's evident aim is to reduce pharmaceutical companies' profits. But if all those profits were subtracted from the nation's health care bill, the pharmaceutical component of that bill would be reduced only from 10 percent to 8 percent -- and innovation would stop, taking a terrible toll in unnecessary suffering and premature death. When McCain explains that trade-off to voters, he will actually have engaged in straight talk.

There are decent, intelligent people who believe that equity or efficiency or both are often served by government setting prices. In America, such people are called Democrats.

Because McCain is a "maverick" -- the media encomium reserved for Republicans who reject important Republican principles -- he would be a conciliatory president. He has indeed worked with Ted Kennedy on immigration reform, with Russ Feingold on restricting political speech (McCain-Feingold) and with Kennedy and John Edwards -- a trial lawyer drawn to an enlargement of opportunities for litigation -- on the "patients' bill of rights."

for the complete article

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/waiting_for_straight_talk.html

[Pale Rider]

You are welcome. It shows how Mccain is a RINO and that is why the liberal media provides him cover from the facts

S.C. was his baby. He spent a lot of time and money there. Now that that's over, he's going to get his ass beat. I know for a fact here in Nevada, RON PAUL has him whooped.

[red states rule]

S.C. was his baby. He spent a lot of time and money there. Now that that's over, he's going to get his ass beat. I know for a fact here in Nevada, RON PAUL has him whooped.

Turn out the lights on McCain. Now he go back to being a bitter old man like Pres Peanut Carter

[Pale Rider]

Turn out the lights on McCain. Now he go back to being a bitter old man like Pres Peanut Carter

Maybe he'll have time to get that ugly ass huge lump cut off his face too.

[red states rule]

Maybe he'll have time to get that ugly ass huge lump cut off his face too.

and get the anger managment therapy he so desperately needs

[Psychoblues]

I earned my first stripe in ROTC although I never could wear it until my last week of Basic. I went to Tech School as an Airman First Class 2 striper. You wouldn't know much about that.


Again, all you can come up with is bull shit guessing and diatribe about my service time, which you have absolutely no fucking idea about, and more hot air about McLame. And since you can't bring yourself to mention what it was you did in the AF, I understand. I wouldn't want anyone to know I was states side supply clerk either. By the way, how much boot did you lick to get your first stripe?

Maybe you can come up with more of a defense for McLame after you sober up.

My guess continues that you are a stateside wonder with little or no understanding of anything military outside Nevada. I also wonder how your service ended in 1983 but you continue to relate your service in your ridiculous avatar as ending in 1987.

But, what do I know? As far as I know your brother told you about "companies" and you did the internet thing and realized the Air Force does it a little differently. I'm still not convinced that you know the difference.

My service was wordwide including Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama and Gulf War I including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. I was also stationed in Germany, England, Japan, and I have been on every American Military installation in South Korea and flown over North Korea several times. But, why am I telling you this stuff? None of it profits me a single cent at this stage of my life. I'm glad you enjoyed your kush gig at Nellis.

[Pale Rider]

and get the anger managment therapy he so desperately needs

Seriously, I think from here on out, you're going to see the bottom fall out of his run. It's over. S.C. was his biggest hurrah. Now he has to face the rest of the country, and most people that do NOT like his liberal ass.

[red states rule]

Seriously, I think from here on out, you're going to see the bottom fall out of his run. It's over. S.C. was his biggest hurrah. Now he has to face the rest of the country, and most people that do NOT like his liberal ass.

Mccain's 15 minutes of fame is over

Now he may offer his services to Hilary and Obama - and get more glowing coverage from the NY Times and Chris Matthews

[Psychoblues]

No worries, pr. John will earn the nomination but he will never be the President.



Seriously, I think from here on out, you're going to see the bottom fall out of his run. It's over. S.C. was his biggest hurrah. Now he has to face the rest of the country, and most people that do NOT like his liberal ass.

It's a shame, too!!!!!! He has more than paid the price, know what I mean?

[red states rule]

No worries, pr. John will earn the nomination but he will never be the President.




It's a shame, too!!!!!! He has more than paid the price, know what I mean?

Given your track record PB - do not try earning your living as a bookie

Then you will need Hillary or Obama as President to get your handouts via taxes from those who are working

[Pale Rider]

I earned my first stripe in ROTC although I never could wear it until my last week of Basic. I went to Tech School as an Airman First Class 2 striper. You wouldn't know much about that.



My guess continues that you are a stateside wonder with little or no understanding of anything military outside Nevada. I also wonder how your service ended in 1983 but you continue to relate your service in your ridiculous avatar as ending in 1987.

But, what do I know? As far as I know your brother told you about "companies" and you did the internet thing and realized the Air Force does it a little differently. I'm still not convinced that you know the difference.

My service was wordwide including Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama and Gulf War I including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. I was also stationed in Germany, England, Japan, and I have been on every American Military installation in South Korea and flown over North Korea several times. But, why am I telling you this stuff? None of it profits me a single cent at this stage of my life. I'm glad you enjoyed your kush gig at Nellis.


Well I guess you're just not very bright are you? I was stationed at Nellis AFB from '79 to '83, but that was not the end of my time in the AF. You do realize people get orders to go to different places in the military right? Kind of like you did? Or do you think you were the only one? Anyway.... I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Get a clue Einstein.

I was sent with 474th TFW to Beirut, Lebanon, 9/83, on a classified support mission. We spent three months there flying intimidation sorties which was just long enough for me to get hit with shrapnel from an RPG in the right lung. I have two very nice little scares and one very large scare where they cut my lung open to get the shrapnel out. I received a Purple Heart for my wounds. I finished my time in the Air Force at MacDill AFB with the 61st Tactical Fighter Training Wing as a Master Sergeant.

Now that I've brought you up to date on that, maybe you can try and convince me your glory boy McLame isn't a liberal.

[Pale Rider]

No worries, pr. John will earn the nomination but he will never be the President.

It's a shame, too!!!!!! He has more than paid the price, know what I mean?

Well you're correct about that, even if McLame did get the nominee, which he won't, he'd never get elected. Too many conservatives, like me, would vote third party. And there you'd have it. Hillary in the White House.

[red states rule]

Well you're correct about that, even if McLame did get the nominee, which he won't, he'd never get elected. Too many conservatives, like me, would vote third party. And there you'd have it. Hillary in the White House.

Which is why libs like PB and the liberal media are cheering on McCain. They have no problem leading him to slaughter - and McCain is too dumb to see it

[Pale Rider]

Which is why libs like PB and the liberal media are cheering on McCain. They have no problem leading him to slaughter - and McCain is too dumb to see it

That is exactly, 101%, correct. The liberal media knows McLame can't win on the Republican ticket, which would lead to a liberal in the White House. Most people can see this rsr, but there's those that just listen to the music and keep drinking the cool aide.... DUH! Fucking sheep.

[PostmodernProphet]

Well you're correct about that, even if McLame did get the nominee, which he won't, he'd never get elected. Too many conservatives, like me, would vote third party. And there you'd have it. Hillary in the White House.

sweet....so it's either your way or Hillary.....

[red states rule]

That is exactly, 101%, correct. The liberal media knows McLame can't win on the Republican ticket, which would lead to a liberal in the White House. Most people can see this rsr, but there's those that just listen to the music and keep drinking the cool aide.... DUH! Fucking sheep.

PR, they do not drink the Kool Aide, they use it for bath water

[red states rule]

and the liberal media is showing their bias toward McCain and against Mitt


Pundits Play Up McCain Win, Play Down Romney Win
By Tim Graham | January 20, 2008 - 07:41 ET

The Republicans had two contests for delegates on Saturday, but many pundits played the game of playing up the hotly contested race, and playing down the "little-contested" race, even though they equally count at convention time. In this case, it also means playing up media favorite John McCain and playing down media un-favorite Mitt Romney. Here's AP reporter Tom Raum:

Among Republicans, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney cruised to victory in the little-contested GOP Nevada caucuses.

But McCain's victory in South Carolina could shake up the GOP contest and give him political grasp. McCain won in New Hampshire but placed second to Romney in Michigan.

This kind of punditry, assuming McCain's victory is the one with the "grasp," ignores the actual delegate count. According to CNN on Sunday morning, Romney has 72, McCain has 38, and Huckabee has 29.

PS: On Fox News Saturday night, William Kristol (a leading McCain booster in 2000) claimed McCain's chances at the nomination now were "better than 50-50," while Romney's were "about one in four."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/01/20/pundits-play-mccain-win-play-down-romney-win

[Pale Rider]

and the liberal media is showing their bias toward McCain and against Mitt


Pundits Play Up McCain Win, Play Down Romney Win
By Tim Graham | January 20, 2008 - 07:41 ET

This kind of punditry, assuming McCain's victory is the one with the "grasp," ignores the actual delegate count. According to CNN on Sunday morning, Romney has 72, McCain has 38, and Huckabee has 29.

PS: On Fox News Saturday night, William Kristol (a leading McCain booster in 2000) claimed McCain's chances at the nomination now were "better than 50-50," while Romney's were "about one in four."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/01/20/pundits-play-mccain-win-play-down-romney-win

What in the hell is that mutton head kristol talking about? I mean isn't more delegates better? Oh wait... kristol is riding the McLame bologna pony. Freagin' jack ass.

[red states rule]

What in the hell is that mutton head kristol talking about? I mean isn't more delegates better? Oh wait... kristol is riding the McLame bologna pony. Freagin' jack ass.

Kinda defeats the liberal talking point how Fox news is a right wing network eh?

[Pale Rider]

Kinda defeats the liberal talking point how Fox news is a right wing network eh?

I've been having my doubts about Fox News lately. If you listen to the news long enough like I do all day, which includes sometimes long periods of Fox, you'll hear some pretty liberal crap once and awhile. Fair and balanced just may be getting replaced with fair and little liberal balanced. And just to add, I don't hear a lot of conservative coming from there either. These news people are all in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. Take what ever all of them say no matter what channel you're listening to or watching with a grain of salt.

[red states rule]

I've been having my doubts about Fox News lately. If you listen to the news long enough like I do all day, which includes sometimes long periods of Fox, you'll hear some pretty liberal crap once and awhile. Fair and balanced just may be getting replaced with fair and little liberal balanced. And just to add, I don't hear a lot of conservative coming from there either. These news people are all in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. Take what ever all of them say no matter what channel you're listening to or watching with a grain of salt.

This morning Fox has had on Bob Beckel, Ellen Rattner, and a couple other female libs (I can't remember their names)

Now it is time for the Sunday shows where the libs outnumber the conservatives (if they have any conservatives at all) on the panel by a 3 to 1, or a 4 to 1 ratio

[Pale Rider]

This morning Fox has had on Bob Beckel, Ellen Rattner, and a couple other female libs (I can't remember their names)

Now it is time for the Sunday shows where the libs outnumber the conservatives (if they have any conservatives at all) on the panel by a 3 to 1, or a 4 to 1 ratio

Yup... I'll be damned... just listening to fox news and what's on? Well nothing else but billy mclame mouth piece kristol puking out his mclame has an advantage line of crap. That's it... fuck that channel... changing it now. I got sick and tired of hannity being a pathetic mouth piece for giuliani, now it's kristol being a pathetic mouth piece for mclame. What the fuck does fox news think they're doing. Trying to get a liberal in the White House? FUCK! How exasperating.

[red states rule]

Yup... I'll be damned... just listening to fox news and what's on? Well nothing else but billy mclame mouth piece kristol puking out his mclame has an advantage line of crap. That's it... fuck that channel... changing it now. I got sick and tired of hannity being a pathetic mouth piece for giuliani, now it's kristol being a pathetic mouth piece for mclame. What the fuck does fox news think they're doing. Trying to get a liberal in the White House? FUCK! How exasperating.

So far, only Meet The Press has had conservatives on their panel.

Now Face the Nation is having Pretty Boy Edwards on. He got his ass kicked and should drop out - and he is getting this airtime?

I would not say Sean is a mouthpiece for Rudy. He has had all the candidates on his show, and as far as I know, has not endorsed anyone

[Pale Rider]

So far, only Meet The Press has had conservatives on their panel.

Now Face the Nation is having Pretty Boy Edwards on. He got his ass kicked and should drop out - and he is getting this airtime?

I would not say Sean is a mouthpiece for Rudy. He has had all the candidates on his show, and as far as I know, has not endorsed anyone

He's not as bad now as he was. But on his radio show, I swear, every other word was giuliani, guiliani, giuliani. It was pathetic.

[red states rule]

He's not as bad now as he was. But on his radio show, I swear, every other word was giuliani, guiliani, giuliani. It was pathetic.

I do not get to hear his entire show - ony about 40 minutes while I am at lunch.

During that time, I have never heard him endorse anyone. He has had all the candidates on, and allowed them to answer his questions

Like me, Sean has questiond Rudy's campaign since he has put all his hopes on FL

Again, we have a different opinion here.

[Pale Rider]

I do not get to hear his entire show - ony about 40 minutes while I am at lunch.

During that time, I have never heard him endorse anyone. He has had all the candidates on, and allowed them to answer his questions

Like me, Sean has questiond Rudy's campaign since he has put all his hopes on FL

Again, we have a different opinion here.

Well take my word for it. I've listened to Hannity's total show many, many times. I finally got so sick of listening to him regurgitate "giuliani," I quit listening. That's a fact brother. And I'm not exaggerating or picking on Sean. I still like him.

[red states rule]

Well take my word for it. I've listened to Hannity's total show many, many times. I finally got so sick of listening to him regurgitate "giuliani," I quit listening. That's a fact brother. And I'm not exaggerating or picking on Sean. I still like him.

I was (and still am) a fan of Rudy's. But I can't figure out what the hell he is doing by skipping all these primaries and banking on one state

True, FL has early voting - and people are voting right now

But Rudy is taking a huge gamble, and may blow it big time

Perhaps Sean is like me in this regard

[Pale Rider]

I was (and still am) a fan of Rudy's. But I can't figure out what the hell he is doing by skipping all these primaries and banking on one state

True, FL has early voting - and people are voting right now

But Rudy is taking a huge gamble, and may blow it big time

Perhaps Sean is like me in this regard

McCain certainly is the liberal MSM poster child. They just can't put his face on the tube enough. He's an angel. He's a God. You Republicans MUST elect him... we say so.

[red states rule]

McCain certainly is the liberal MSM poster child. They just can't put his face on the tube enough. He's an angel. He's a God. You Republicans MUST elect him... we say so.

You are so right PR

Bozell Column: McCain, Again a Media Darling
By Brent Bozell | January 22, 2008 - 18:51 ET
Every four years, the media try to offer the Republican electorate advice on what the GOP should do to achieve victory. Buyer beware: those eager to accept the media’s conventional "wisdom" ought to recognize that these are blueprints for Republican domination of Washington only if it’s a domination by the party’s liberal wing. Currently, the simmering stew of conventional "wisdom" suggests that Sen. John McCain is going to emerge as the obvious front-runner for 2008 because his is the winning message for Republicans.

All the recurring media love for McCain – he’s the only candidate who can go on Fox News and call journalists "Trotskyites" and the liberals all laugh – should remind conservatives why they distrusted him in 2000. His victory in the South Carolina primary warmed the hearts of liberal journalists everywhere. To represent the media giddiness, see Jill Zuckman in the Chicago Tribune. It was "a healthy dose of poetic justice as he beat his Republican rivals and vanquished the ghosts of his 2000 defeat under a barrage of scurrilous smears."

for the complete article

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2008/01/22/bozell-column-mccain-again-media-darling

[Pale Rider]

The MSM strategy is simple... prop up mclame to the best of their ability and try and get him the Republican nomination, KNOWING FULL WELL that "conservatives" hate his stinking guts. That pretty much splits the Republican vote down the middle which will ensure a liberal in the White House.

Not hard to figure out.

[red states rule]

Here is what McCAin siad on Meet the Press

It is very telling. Watch the video when you hit the link


McCain: I'd Sign Amnesty Bill, But 'They' Want Borders Secured First
By Mark Finkelstein | January 27, 2008 - 18:55 ET
Takeaway exchange from John McCain's Meet The Press appearance today.


TIM RUSSERT: If the Senate passed your bill, S-1433, the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill, would you as president sign it?

JOHN MCCAIN: Yeah, but the lesson is that it isn't going to come, it isn't going to come. The lesson is they want the borders secured first.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/01/27/mccain-id-sign-amnesty-bill-they-want-borders-secured-first

[Pale Rider]

Here is what McCAin siad on Meet the Press

It is very telling. Watch the video when you hit the link


McCain: I'd Sign Amnesty Bill, But 'They' Want Borders Secured First
By Mark Finkelstein | January 27, 2008 - 18:55 ET
Takeaway exchange from John McCain's Meet The Press appearance today.


TIM RUSSERT: If the Senate passed your bill, S-1433, the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill, would you as president sign it?

JOHN MCCAIN: Yeah, but the lesson is that it isn't going to come, it isn't going to come. The lesson is they want the borders secured first.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/01/27/mccain-id-sign-amnesty-bill-they-want-borders-secured-first

Hopefully this one issue alone will sink mccain, seeing as how many Americans won't vote for an open border sell out like this piece of traitor.

[red states rule]

Hopefully this one issue alone will sink mccain, seeing as how many Americans won't vote for an open border sell out like this piece of traitor.

His arrogance is showing - much like Lindsey Graham who called those against amnesty "loud people"

[Pale Rider]

His arrogance is showing - much like Lindsey Graham who called those against amnesty "loud people"

It certainly showed tonight, along with his rather bad temper. Twice he got loud groans from the audience who was sick his crap as he and Romney got into it.

He hurt himself tonight. People did NOT like what they saw. And what they saw was an at times babbling old man with a temper like a rattle snake who did NOT give straight forward answers.

[Pale Rider]

The new mccain campaign plants should have some fun reading these threads... won't hold my breath for a reply though.

[Pale Rider]

Here ya go wrl.... I'm real curious why you ignored all these threads about mclame being a liberal.... not one word.... cat got your tongue?

[actsnoblemartin]

you make him sounds like that ceral kix, liberal tested, conservative approved :laugh2:



John McCain: Media-Approved Liberal



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Posted: January 16, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Andrew Longman

There are only two reasons John McCain is enjoying a resurgence in the polls.
First, the media love him as their third-best liberal Republican, and second he is the only person in the race who gives the appearance of understanding the war on terror.

Both of these are ephemera, but they are news-cycle truths.

First, we had the pro-abortion, pro-gay, socialist "Republican" the New York media had picked to foist on America's Christians. When that didn't work, the media quickly shifted to the Mormon high priest, to try to force him down Dr. Dobson's throat. The media have sneered and leered and hoped, but they've now relegated Romney to the next-time file.

Who does that leave?

The neo-pagan press prides themselves on being able to "create anybody" as a viable candidate … whether they can or not. The press is aware that their power to foist on the Christians isn't infinite, but they believe that with dedication and division, strife and denunciation, they can fracture the evangelical right and someday destroy it. So they keep trying. Having successfully ginned-up McCain in 2000, where he almost beat the openly evangelical George W. Bush, they have gone to the Straight Talk Express as their fallback plan, and they are delighted to see it's working.

One problem.

McCain is a huge liberal.

A must read the rest article here... (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59706)

[Pale Rider]

you make him sounds like that ceral kix, liberal tested, conservative approved :laugh2:

Here... I'll fix that for ya anm.... :salute:


you make him sounds like that ceral kix, MEDIA tested, LIBERAL approved :laugh2:

[The Reverend]

C'mon you McLame lovers... defend your liberal... :cool:

Sure no problem.

Lets start with this

Of course, the McCain-Feingold bill, also known as "No Incumbent Left Behind," sought to crush the free speech rights of a diversity of organizations. McCain calls Right to Life chapters "special interests" that need to be controlled and stripped of influence in Congress. I think he is accurate in this: Keeping babies alive is especially interesting to most people. But not only has McCain been hostile to Right to Life groups, he tried to have the pro-life plank in the Republican Platform rewritten to include exceptions.First that is a load of BS. McCain-Feingold has restriced no ones rights to free speech. The pro-life movement (with McCain’s enthusiastic support) has made substantial progress in the last seven years, changing minds and hearts and driving abortion rates to their lowest point in 29 years—unimpeded by McCain-Feingold.
Fact is that not one conservative in office has called for the recall of this useless bill.

Moving on

McCain's been pro-amnesty for illegal aliens his whole career, authoring the Senate's latest amnesty clap-trap. The McCain-Feingold mess criminalizes the speech of small organizations 60 days before elections.Another load of BS. That bill was not amnesty. It WAS a way however to get new and better immigration laws passed. Do you really think that a bill will get passed by the Democrats that says to deport all illegals?


He's voted for multiple gun-control laws in the Senate, voted for affirmative action quotas, and in 2002 the media was buzzing with speculation that McCain was about to bolt the GOP because he was so far left of center.This is actually humorous. Not to mention a complete and utter lie
Here is his voting record on gun control

Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)


Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain.htm

As for him being "SO FAR LEFT"
http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s020_070.gif



So what else you got?

[manu1959]

C'mon you McLame lovers... defend your liberal... :cool:

i will say this ... you need not worry about mccain as you will have plenty to complain about when ohillary :

leaves noncombat troops in iraq and moves all the combat troops to afgan
initiates socialized healthcare
raises taxes
increases spending
penalizes corporations
restricts gun ownership
legalizes gay marriage
maintains abortion rights
appoints liberal judges
gives all the illegals amnesty

[Pale Rider]

i will say this ... you need not worry about mccain as you will have plenty to complain about when ohillary :

leaves noncombat troops in iraq and moves all the combat troops to afgan
initiates socialized healthcare
raises taxes
increases spending
penalizes corporations
restricts gun ownership
legalizes gay marriage
maintains abortion rights
appoints liberal judges
gives all the illegals amnesty - so does juan mccain.

I don't like any of them pard. I will concede mccain is better than hitlery or hussein, but he's not my cup of tea either. I'll be voting independent this year.

[Pale Rider]

Sure no problem.

Lets start with this
First that is a load of BS. McCain-Feingold has restriced no ones rights to free speech. The pro-life movement (with McCain’s enthusiastic support) has made substantial progress in the last seven years, changing minds and hearts and driving abortion rates to their lowest point in 29 years—unimpeded by McCain-Feingold.
Fact is that not one conservative in office has called for the recall of this useless bill.

Moving on
Another load of BS. That bill was not amnesty. It WAS a way however to get new and better immigration laws passed. Do you really think that a bill will get passed by the Democrats that says to deport all illegals?

This is actually humorous. Not to mention a complete and utter lie
Here is his voting record on gun control

Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)


Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain.htm


Rev... you've been drinking some serious loads of mccain kool aide. I do believe you were sent here to "influence" pedal for mccain by his campaign. No problem. It's a free country and this is an open board to all. But mccain feingold was the worst blow to free speech this country has seen since it's inception. No amount of you calling it BS is going to change that.

Second, yes, mccain kennedy was amnesty. Under this bill ALL illegal aliens would have been able to stay in this country FOREVER! Get it? FOREVER! Now I don't know what you call that, but I call it AMNESTY.

Couple that with the fact that at one point mccain thought very seriously of switching over to the democrat party, how he thinks of himself as a maverick, and how he prides himself for sticking it to his party, and how for the most part has been the most hated republican senator in recent history, and you can have the sons a bitch. I wouldn't vote for the fucker on my death bed.

I'll write in Duncan Hunter, or Tom Tancredo, or maybe even Ron Paul when I vote this November. You know... for a "true" conservative.

[stephanie]

As I said......look at his Acu.....in the last few yrs........down to 65%

He has went from Conservative......to a almost a damn liberal since he lost in 2000........

He's a bitter old hateful man, that want's to shove conservatism down our throats, cause we didn't vote for him in 2000

He has stabbed us Republican conservatives all in the back....and if you support him........I hope you pull that knife out as you vote for him...........:cheers2:

[PostmodernProphet]

As I said......look at his Acu.....in the last few yrs........down to 65%

He has went from Conservative......to a almost a damn liberal since he lost in 2000........

Steph.....the ACU rating on Obama is an 8......65 is NOT "almost a damn liberal"......it's to the conservative side of moderate.......

[The Reverend]

Rev... you've been drinking some serious loads of mccain kool aide. I do believe you were sent here to "influence" pedal for mccain by his campaign. No problem. It's a free country and this is an open board to all. But mccain feingold was the worst blow to free speech this country has seen since it's inception. No amount of you calling it BS is going to change that.

Second, yes, mccain kennedy was amnesty. Under this bill ALL illegal aliens would have been able to stay in this country FOREVER! Get it? FOREVER! Now I don't know what you call that, but I call it AMNESTY.

Couple that with the fact that at one point mccain thought very seriously of switching over to the democrat party, how he thinks of himself as a maverick, and how he prides himself for sticking it to his party, and how for the most part has been the most hated republican senator in recent history, and you can have the sons a bitch. I wouldn't vote for the fucker on my death bed.

I'll write in Duncan Hunter, or Tom Tancredo, or maybe even Ron Paul when I vote this November. You know... for a "true" conservative.
Don't like looking at the facts do you?
Just who's free speech has McCain Feingold suppressed?
Secondly you are wrong about the immigration bill. They would not be able to stay here for ever, NOWHERE in the bill says that. But I'll give you a chance to prove that, Show me where in the immigration bill is says that illegals get to stay here forever.
And if you say the Z visa you would be wrong

The Z visa comes with a fine of $5,000 per person, and the individual must return to their home country to legally be admitted into the United States.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/visa_z.html

Also just when did McCain think of switching parties?

AS for Ron Paul, that is a completely diffetent story, he is not worthy of being president.

As I said......look at his Acu.....in the last few yrs........down to 65%

He has went from Conservative......to a almost a damn liberal since he lost in 2000........

He's a bitter old hateful man, that want's to shove conservatism down our throats, cause we didn't vote for him in 2000

He has stabbed us Republican conservatives all in the back....and if you support him........I hope you pull that knife out as you vote for him...........:cheers2:
Actually his rating in 2005 was 80% it only dropped when the Democrats took control as did nearly everyone elses ratings.

So let me get this straight if a quarterback that has been great all his life suddenlt has a bad season then he is no longer a great quaterback? All his pasts accomplishments are thus null and void?

Funny that Nancy Reagan and Michael Reagan BOTH support McCain.


In 1976 the Ford vs. Reagan campaign for the Republican presidential nomination got so heated it looked as if my father and Jerry Ford would never again talk to one another.

When it was over and Ford had won, what did Ronald Reagan do? He simply went all-out to help Ford win his re-election, as did I and as did my sister Maureen. My dad simply followed his rule of backing the Republican candidate no matter who he was.

Assuming that John McCain will be the Republican nominee, you can bet my father would be itching to get out on the campaign trail working to elect him even if he disagreed with him on a number of issues.

Unlike my father, a lot of conservatives stayed home in 1976, and we got four years of Jimmy Carter, whose main legacy was to drive the Shah of Iran from power and create the Islamic Republic of Iran with a bunch of wild-eyed mullahs running the show. He also gave us 20 percent inflation and long, long lines at the gas pumps. And don't forget 440 days of Americans held hostage by the mullahs.

By staying home those conservatives made possible the future election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

We are still suffering from the legacy of James Earl Carter, thanks to the conservatives who refused to follow Ronald Reagan's example and instead sulked at home while the nation was being handed over to the worst president in American history.

We were still in the middle of the Cold War in those days, and by staying home conservatives risked losing that war by allowing an incompetent leader to become commander in chief.

Four years later Ronald Reagan took over, the hostages were immediately released, and he went on to win the Cold War. Now we have another world-wide war going on with a hidden enemy sworn to kill us all, and the policy of the Democrats running for the presidency is to throw up their hands and withdraw from the battlefield, leaving it to the enemy -- and our fate in the hands of Osama bin Laden.

Is that what the let's-stay-home-on-election-day conservatives want? Do they want the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama, as their president? Do they want the pseudo-Marist Barack Obama -- who reportedly has a photo of the murderous Castroite thug Che Guevara hanging in his Houston, Texas campaign headquarters -- hanging that photo in the Oval Office?

Do they want Hillary Clinton, the duplicitous former first lady, back in the White House enjoying all those furnishings she and her husband tried to swipe from the mansion?

Do they want a Democrat spending even more money that the government doesn't have on scores of programs right out of Karl Marx's playbook?

That's exactly what they'll get if they sit out the election and stay home on Election Day. That's called biting off your nose to spite your face. Or even more to the point, political suicide.

Let me say this. There has been plenty of battling in the primaries, and I've been in the middle of the battle, but until now haven't committed myself to any candidate, waiting until we had a nominee.

That's over.

If John McCain is the nominee of the party, this Reagan will happily campaign with him. The alternative is unthinkable to anyone who loves this nation.
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MichaelReagan/2008/02/14/ronald_reagan_would_back_mccain?page=full&comments=true

[Pale Rider]

Don't like looking at the facts do you?
Just who's free speech has McCain Feingold suppressed?
Well Rev... lets get off the mccain kool aide for a minute and be real OK... we're not going to blindly listen to your mccain lies and soap boxing, we're going to look at the FACTS for a change, as you say I don't like, but are rudely mistaken. So bend over, grab your ears and give a quick tug to pull your head out for minute, we're looking at the REAL facts now...


McCain-Feingold, the latest and scariest step down that slope, makes it a felony for corporations, nonprofit advocacy groups and labor unions to run ads that criticize--or even name or show--members of Congress within 60 days of a federal election, when such quintessentially political speech might actually persuade voters. It forbids political parties from soliciting or spending "soft money" contributions to publicize the principles and ideas they stand for. Amending the already baffling campaign-finance rules from the 1970s, McCain-Feingold's dizzying do's and don'ts, its detailed and onerous reporting requirements of funding sources--which require a dense 300-page book to lay out--have made running for office, contributing to a candidate or cause, or advocating without an attorney at hand unwise and potentially ruinous.

Not for nothing has Justice Clarence Thomas denounced McCain-Feingold's "unprecedented restrictions" as an "assault on the free exchange of ideas."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007867

Now THAT Rev, is an attack on the constitution of the United States of America and free speech, and your RINO did it, in a full and deliberate effort in concert with the LIBERALS!


Secondly you are wrong about the immigration bill. They would not be able to stay here for ever, NOWHERE in the bill says that. But I'll give you a chance to prove that, Show me where in the immigration bill is says that illegals get to stay here forever.
Again Rev, we're not going to drink anymore mccain kool aide, we're going to just stick to the facts for a change. Something you haven't been doing... now, on to the facts...


1 Sen. McCain Champions Illegal Aliens & Business Lobbyists Over American Working Families• Nearly every time there is a choice, Sen. McCain favors business lobbyists’ desires for foreign workers vs. protecting American workers’ wages and jobs. View his voting record at:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/compare.php3?District=AZ&Category=5&Status=Career&VIPID=33

• John McCain’s hopes of giving permanent residency to millions of illegal aliens will saddle American taxpayers with huge costs. A 2007 Heritage Foundation study found that a household headed by the typical high-school-drop-out illegal alien costs taxpayers a net of about $20,000 for every year allowed to stay in this country.

• McCain has taken the pro-amnesty position in nearly two dozen votes and co-sponsorships. View the long list at:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgradescategory.php3?District=AZ&Category=4&Status=Career&VIPID=33

• For six years after the 9/11 attacks, McCain held our border security as a hostage to his desires for amnesty. He was willing to work to secure our borders and try to prevent illegal immigration ONLY if it was tied to providing permanent residency for illegal aliens already here. Our borders are still sieves.

For the last 2 years, John McCain & Ted Kennedy were the key leaders trying to ram a path to citizenship for millions of illegal aliens through Congress.

• Sen. McCain claims it is not amnesty to give illegal aliens U.S. citizenship if they have to pay a fine and learn English. Whatever he chooses to call it, allowing illegal aliens to keep the very things they broke the law to obtain – U.S. residency and an American job – is an incredibly generous reward for violating the rule of law.

• After his leadership for amnesties caused his Presidential
campaign to collapse last spring, McCain said he “got the message” from the voters and no longer pushes rewarding illegal aliens ahead of everything else. He says he wants to secure our borders first. But he only promises to make 2 million of the 12-20 million illegal aliens go home.

McCain has the worst Republican platform for ending future illegal immigration

http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html
Prepared by www.NumbersUSA.com and www.CongressGrades.org


Also just when did McCain think of switching parties?
Now you've been real good at spitting out that "you're wrong" line Rev, but the fact of the matter is, it is you who has been wrong on every occassion so far, including this last one which I posted a thread on that was readily ignored by you and your mccain campaign twin WRL... please read it before you going accusing someone of being "wrong" again. You're losing credibility fast...

http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=10816


As for Ron Paul, that is a completely diffetent story, he is not worthy of being president.
As for Ron Paul, he's a strict constitutionalist, and supported by more than just me here on this board.

Now you can be as big a cheer leader for mclame as you want Rev, but don't tell me I'm wrong anymore unless you have the goods to back it up. So far, you haven't. I've shot you down.

[The Reverend]

Well Rev... lets get off the mccain kool aide for a minute and be real OK... we're not going to blindly listen to your mccain lies and soap boxing, we're going to look at the FACTS for a change, as you say I don't like, but are rudely mistaken. So bend over, grab your ears and give a quick tug to pull your head out for minute, we're looking at the REAL facts now...You have yet to provide any facts




Now THAT Rev, is an attack on the constitution of the United States of America and free speech, and your RINO did it, in a full and deliberate effort in concert with the LIBERALS!
That so called fact was posted in the WSJ OPINION section.
AGain it was a useless piece of legislation that has done nothing to slow the amount of money coming in.



Again Rev, we're not going to drink anymore mccain kool aide, we're going to just stick to the facts for a change. Something you haven't been doing... now, on to the facts...

You keep using opinion as facts while I actually used the bills text itself. Hmm which is more accurate the actual bill or someones opinion on the bill. Sorry try again.




Now you've been real good at spitting out that "you're wrong" line Rev, but the fact of the matter is, it is you who has been wrong on every occassion so far, including this last one which I posted a thread on that was readily ignored by you and your mccain campaign twin WRL... please read it before you going accusing someone of being "wrong" again. You're losing credibility fast...

http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=10816
I just haven't made it to that thread yet. You post so many lies about McCain that one gets tired or proving you wrong.
As for credibility, at least I have some to lose.


As for Ron Paul, he's a strict constitutionalist, and supported by more than just me here on this board.

Now you can be as big a cheer leader for mclame as you want Rev, but don't tell me I'm wrong anymore unless you have the goods to back it up. So far, you haven't. I've shot you down.
Ron Paul is a racist, he accepts money for known neo-nazis and KKK members, he allows his works to be published in a publication that is anti-semitic.

You have shot no one down, using someone elses opinion does not constitute as fact. I have used his actual record, and actual facts. I have backed it up and proved you wrong several times.

[82Marine89]

You have yet to provide any facts

You gave non-answers when I provided you with facts.


That so called fact was posted in the WSJ OPINION section.
AGain it was a useless piece of legislation that has done nothing to slow the amount of money coming in.

That piece of legislation infringed upon my 1st Amendment rights.


You keep using opinion as facts while I actually used the bills text itself. Hmm which is more accurate the actual bill or someones opinion on the bill. Sorry try again.

So you disregard the opinion of the WSJ? Their opinion is based on facts.


I just haven't made it to that thread yet. You post so many lies about McCain that one gets tired or proving you wrong.
As for credibility, at least I have some to lose.

You're a party hack.


Ron Paul is a racist, he accepts money for known neo-nazis and KKK members, he allows his works to be published in a publication that is anti-semitic.

You have shot no one down, using someone elses opinion does not constitute as fact. I have used his actual record, and actual facts. I have backed it up and proved you wrong several times.

Do racists support you guy? Your guy is a racist (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml).

[PostmodernProphet]

Do racists support you guy? Your guy is a racist.

McCain's a racist?.....have you ever seen his family portrait?....

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/12/27/us/27mccain-450.jpg

[The Reverend]

You gave non-answers when I provided you with facts. when




That piece of legislation infringed upon my 1st Amendment rights.
Really; prove it



So you disregard the opinion of the WSJ? Their opinion is based on facts.
I disregard it when it is not factual



You're a party hack.
Not hardly, I am not a member of any party, plus McCain was my second choice, Romney my first.




Do racists support you guy? Your guy is a racist (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml).
Yeah that really prove him a racist, not hardly. Ron Paul on the other hand has written letters in his name that are racist.

[The Reverend]

What is really funny is that while people are saying that McCain is a liberal, Thompson, and other true conservatives endorse him.

[82Marine89]

when

Really; prove it

I disregard it when it is not factual

Not hardly, I am not a member of any party, plus McCain was my second choice, Romney my first.

Yeah that really prove him a racist, not hardly. Ron Paul on the other hand has written letters in his name that are racist.

To sum it up, you have swallowed Juan McAmnesty's load and enjoyed the taste. So, you will continue to massage his message so that others may follow blindly.

[The Reverend]

To sum it up, you have swallowed Juan McAmnesty's load and enjoyed the taste. So, you will continue to massage his message so that others may follow blindly.

Nope not even close, before I even decided to support McCain I researched him, checked his voting record and looked at the facts. The facts and his voting record prove he is a conservative.



Let me ask a question if Reagan were alive and if he supported McCain would you?

Because Mrs Reagan and Michael Reagan do support McCain (they also say Reagan would have as well).

How to you get around that many many conservative leaders support McCain and say he is conservative?

[82Marine89]

Nope not even close, before I even decided to support McCain I researched him, checked his voting record and looked at the facts. The facts and his voting record prove he is a conservative.

Right along with Campaign Finance reform, his global warming bill, and amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.


Let me ask a question if Reagan were alive and if he supported McCain would you?

No.


Because Mrs Reagan and Michael Reagan do support McCain (they also say Reagan would have as well).

What did they say about Nixon?


How to you get around that many many conservative leaders support McCain and say he is conservative?

They're trying to save a party that is about to go the way of the Whigs.

[82Marine89]

McCain's a racist?.....have you ever seen his family portrait?....



Yup, he's a racist. Notice he doesn't have a gook (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml) kid in the photo.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yup, he's a racist. Notice he doesn't have a gook (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml) kid in the photo.

the funny thing is, I think you are the same person who asked me, apparently with a straight face, what was being misrepresented about McCain.....

[Pale Rider]

You have yet to provide any facts

That statement right there from you pretty much sums up your agenda here rev. There has been volumes upon volumes of mclame mud posted here on this board, the vast majority of which you conveniently IGNORED. You're a liar, spin doctor, and a hack. You just stay submerged in that vat of mclame kool aide OK... I prefer to see the big picture.

[PostmodernProphet]

There has been volumes upon volumes of mclame mud posted here on this board

you got that right....all that's missing is the truth.....

[The Reverend]

That statement right there from you pretty much sums up your agenda here rev. There has been volumes upon volumes of mclame mud posted here on this board, the vast majority of which you conveniently IGNORED. You're a liar, spin doctor, and a hack. You just stay submerged in that vat of mclame kool aide OK... I prefer to see the big picture.

Ther have been volumes and volumes of mud here, to bad it is all not true.
I have ignore nothing.

It is YOU that is the liar and so not have the ability to understand facts. You are the one spinning things here not me. I am posting FACTS you are not.


The only picture you see is the one handed to you by Rush. Leave your fantasy world and join us in reality.

[Pale Rider]

Ther have been volumes and volumes of mud here, to bad it is all not true.
I have ignore nothing.

It is YOU that is the liar and so not have the ability to understand facts. You are the one spinning things here not me. I am posting FACTS you are not.

The only picture you see is the one handed to you by Rush. Leave your fantasy world and join us in reality.

OK... whatever... :talk2hand:

[Pale Rider]

you got that right....all that's missing is the truth.....

PPppphhhtt.... :laugh:..... :lol:......

... and HEEEERRREES your picture PmP....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2116/2093273754_4fb7884b81_o.jpg

[The Reverend]

OK... whatever... :talk2hand:

http://www.kyle-brady.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/stupid.jpg

[Pale Rider]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2237/2319967723_0c2aeb580f_o.jpg

[PostmodernProphet]

be very afraid.....the Pale Rider has discovered image search!

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/judiciary/Police_Website/pics/Child%20Abuse%20corner.jpg

[Pale Rider]

be very afraid.....the Pale Rider has discovered image search

What's that little kindergarten ditty.... PmP and Rev, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.... yeah... fits you two children just perfect.

If you're not here to debate like an adult, why don't you two twits leave.

Also, this is the second post you've stuck your smart asses little nose in just to start shit where you weren't involved. Post reported.

[The Reverend]

What's that little kindergarten ditty.... PmP and Rev, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.... yeah... fits you two children just perfect.

If you're not here to debate like an adult, why don't you two twits leave.

Also, this is the second post you've stuck your smart asses little nose in just to start shit where you weren't involved. Post reported.

You are one to talk about growing up. As I recall YOU were the one that went to childish pics first.

If we don't debate like adults it is because we have to come down to your level so you can understand what we are talking about.


Sounds like you are just a little whiney ass tattle tell. A real tell tell sign you are really a Democrat acting like a Republican.

BTW go ahead and report this post if you want.

[PostmodernProphet]

What's that little kindergarten ditty.

you have to appreciate it when a man sets out to improve himself......using kindergarten quotes is a big step up for you, Pale....are you sure you can handle it?.......

[Pale Rider]

You are one to talk about growing up. As I recall YOU were the one that went to childish pics first.

If we don't debate like adults it is because we have to come down to your level so you can understand what we are talking about.


Sounds like you are just a little whiney ass tattle tell. A real tell tell sign you are really a Democrat acting like a Republican.

BTW go ahead and report this post if you want.


you have to appreciate it when a man sets out to improve himself......using kindergarten quotes is a big step up for you, Pale....are you sure you can handle it?.......

You two are trolls, plain and simple, and you have to get the last word like catty little girls.

You made your friend now Rev... PmP will be waiting for you to give him a call so you can get together, and you can give him that reach around.

[PostmodernProphet]

why don't you two twits leave

not going to happen Pale....I will still be posting here when even the Rep Club has forgotten your name......

[Pale Rider]

not going to happen Pale....I will still be posting here when even the Rep Club has forgotten your name......

Fortunately, you are not the one that will decide that.

[The Reverend]

You two are trolls, plain and simple, and you have to get the last word like catty little girls.

You made your friend now Rev... PmP will be waiting for you to give him a call so you can get together, and you can give him that reach around.
You know when someone is losing a debate when all they do is insult. Very mature I must say.
Can't stand your little secret of being a Democrat hack being exposed can you?

Fortunately, you are not the one that will decide that.
Fortunately neither are you.
You are just an immature person that can't handle a real debate. Get over yourself and growup.

[Pale Rider]

You know when someone is losing a debate when all they do is insult. Very mature I must say.
Can't stand your little secret of being a Democrat hack being exposed can you?

Fortunately neither are you.
You are just an immature person that can't handle a real debate. Get over yourself and growup.

OK... we'll see rev... I'm going to let you two little girls get the last word. That ought to make you happy. But, I win. I've taken the high ground.

[PostmodernProphet]

Fortunately, you are not the one that will decide that.

nor are you.....

[PostmodernProphet]

But, I win. I've taken the high ground.

ah, impaled yourself on something, have you?......

[The Reverend]

OK... we'll see rev... I'm going to let you two little girls get the last word. That ought to make you happy. But, I win. I've taken the high ground.

No you are not taking the high road, you are insulting the RUNNING away. The high road would have been not to insult in the first place.



JOHN McREAGAN IS A CONSERVATIVE

[Pale Rider]

No you are not taking the high road, you are insulting the RUNNING away. The high road would have been not to insult in the first place.

Run away? You actually think I'm running away? Listen... I have all the time and money I need to go do whatever I want, whenever I want, you want to meet me? I'll show you run away you faggot little punk ass bitch.

[The Reverend]

Run away? You actually think I'm running away? Listen... I have all the time and money I need to go do whatever I want, whenever I want, you want to meet me? I'll show you run away you faggot little punk ass bitch.

Tsk Tsk resorting to threats now are we. You are just one of the bad ass internet people. Threatening people from the safety of your own home.

Shows how pathetic you really are.

[Pale Rider]

Tsk Tsk resorting to threats now are we. You are just one of the bad ass internet people. Threatening people from the safety of your own home.

Shows how pathetic you really are.

That's no threat... and I mean what say. No one is afraid of your little punk ass... get that through your head.

Big talkers like you always turn out to be the pimply faced little mama's boy pretending to be badder than they really are. Well I don't buy it. You're a candy ass little pip squeak.

Just grow up.

[The Reverend]

It is funny that you keep telling people to grow up when it is you that is being childish.

I am not the one being a "big talker" you are so I guess you were describing yourself.

What a moron.

[Pale Rider]

It is funny that you keep telling people to grow up when it is you that is being childish.

I am not the one being a "big talker" you are so I guess you were describing yourself.

What a moron.

Take it to the cage buffoon.

[The Reverend]

I'll post where I want thank you.

[Pale Rider]

I'll post where I want thank you.

Don't thank me, just do it.

[The Reverend]

Again, sir you do not have any authority to tell me where I can or can't post

[The Reverend]

Now back on topic.

McCain has be grossly and unfairly miscatergorized as a liberal.

Sure he has made a couple of mistakes but so has everyone.


PR I remember that you said that the war in Irag was wrong. Well there are some conservativest that would say you are not conservative then. Would they be right?

[Pale Rider]

Now back on topic.

McCain has be grossly and unfairly miscatergorized as a liberal.

Sure he has made a couple of mistakes but so has everyone.
He's the most liberal man in the senate that calls himself a republican.



PR I remember that you said that the war in Irag was wrong. Well there are some conservativest that would say you are not conservative then. Would they be right?
Show me one.

[5stringJeff]

PR I remember that you said that the war in Irag was wrong. Well there are some conservativest that would say you are not conservative then. Would they be right?

It depends on your definition of "conservative." The neo-conservative stance is that the US should be in Iraq long-term, which is the view John "100 Years in Iraq" McCain takes. The paleo-conservative view is that wars should generally be fought for defensive purposes only.

PR and I both supported this war in the beginning, and now we both believe that it's time to pull our troops out of Iraq. As for me, I believe that the troops have accomplished the mission we set out to perform in Iraq, and so it's time to declare victory and leave.

[The Reverend]

He's the most liberal man in the senate that calls himself a republican.



Show me one.
Rush Limbaugh

It depends on your definition of "conservative." The neo-conservative stance is that the US should be in Iraq long-term, which is the view John "100 Years in Iraq" McCain takes. The paleo-conservative view is that wars should generally be fought for defensive purposes only.

PR and I both supported this war in the beginning, and now we both believe that it's time to pull our troops out of Iraq. As for me, I believe that the troops have accomplished the mission we set out to perform in Iraq, and so it's time to declare victory and leave.

I actually agree with you.

[The Reverend]

He's the most liberal man in the senate that calls himself a republican.


Not quite
There is Lugar 78.6% lifetime rating., Collins 53% lifetime rating.

Those were just two and I can list more.

[Pale Rider]

Rush Limbaugh
I listen to Rush periodically, but do get a little full of him. He's just a little too vainglorious for me.

Do you consider yourself to be a conservative?



I actually agree with you.


Not quite
There is Lugar 78.6% lifetime rating., Collins 53% lifetime rating.

Those were just two and I can list more.

Not the kind of people I'd want myself lumped in with, and a link to where ever it is you get those numbers would be appreciated.

[The Reverend]

I listen to Rush periodically, but do get a little full of him. He's just a little too vainglorious for me.
Agreed


Do you consider yourself to be a conservative?

Yes, traditional marriage, lower taxes, smaller government, securing the borders, less spending, fight terrorism, believe that the USC is not a living breathing document and it says what it means, and etc.





Not the kind of people I'd want myself lumped in with, and a link to where ever it is you get those numbers would be appreciated.
http://www.acuratings.org/2006all.htm
http://www.acuratings.org/

[PostmodernProphet]

The paleo-conservative view is that wars should generally be fought for defensive purposes only.

???....like Panama and Grenada?.......

[Pale Rider]

Agreed

Yes, traditional marriage, lower taxes, smaller government, securing the borders, less spending, fight terrorism, believe that the USC is not a living breathing document and it says what it means, and etc.

http://www.acuratings.org/2006all.htm
http://www.acuratings.org/

So then you do find yourself having to "hold your nose" to vote for mccain....

[The Reverend]

No; why would I?
The immigration bill secured the borders.

He has never voted for a tax increase.

He is for lower takes.

[Pale Rider]

No; why would I?
The immigration bill secured the borders.

He has never voted for a tax increase.

He is for lower takes.

The amnesty bill made it possible for all illegal aliens here to remain here, and we've seen other fence building bills and there's still no fence. In fact the last one that we saw actually get signed into law got all the money striped from it. I have 0 faith in our government when it comes to the illegals. Even though there are senators and congressman that are tough on it, I believe we'll have a fence when I see it.

Taxes? That's a good reason, but still, it's only one.

[The Reverend]

The amnesty bill made it possible for all illegal aliens here to remain here, and we've seen other fence building bills and there's still no fence. In fact the last one that we saw actually get signed into law got all the money striped from it. I have 0 faith in our government when it comes to the illegals. Even though there are senators and congressman that are tough on it, I believe we'll have a fence when I see it.

Taxes? That's a good reason, but still, it's only one.

I agree with the statement in bold.

[Pale Rider]

I agree with the statement in bold.

I think you'll see that if you truly are a conservative, we will agree on quite a few things.

And just to be fair, as many times as I've said I won't vote for mccain, chances are I will, because it's just far too damn important for me to keep either of those two communist pig liberals out of the White House. But, keep in mind, that if I do vote for mccain, it will be with heavy heart, because I really won't want to. I don't like the man.

[actsnoblemartin]

mccain didnt defend romney when the media went after him on religion, but when anyone says anything about obama, he leaps to his defense.

[The Reverend]

I think you'll see that if you truly are a conservative, we will agree on quite a few things.

And just to be fair, as many times as I've said I won't vote for mccain, chances are I will, because it's just far too damn important for me to keep either of those two communist pig liberals out of the White House. But, keep in mind, that if I do vote for mccain, it will be with heavy heart, because I really won't want to. I don't like the man.

Sometime sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. The greater good in this case being NOT letting Hillary or Obama win the White House.

[5stringJeff]

I think you'll see that if you truly are a conservative, we will agree on quite a few things.

And just to be fair, as many times as I've said I won't vote for mccain, chances are I will, because it's just far too damn important for me to keep either of those two communist pig liberals out of the White House. But, keep in mind, that if I do vote for mccain, it will be with heavy heart, because I really won't want to. I don't like the man.


Sometime sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. The greater good in this case being NOT letting Hillary or Obama win the White House.

Which is the greater good - voting for a moderate Republican to keep a liberal out of the White House, or voting for a Libertarian in order to establish a political party that's better than either of the two we have now?