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82Marine89
01-14-2008, 09:24 AM
LAS VEGAS - Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have become embroiled in racially tinged disputes as large numbers of black voters prepare to get their first say in the Democratic presidential campaign.

The candidates and their surrogates are heating up their rhetoric, and it could prove to be combustible beyond South Carolina's Jan. 26 primary.

Clinton, on defense over comments that she and her husband made regarding Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy and Obama's fitness for the White House, tried to turn the tables on her top primary rival. She accused his campaign of looking to score political points by distorting their words.

Hillary Clinton had said King's dream of racial equality was realized only when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while Bill Clinton said Illinois Sen. Obama was telling a "fairy tale" about his opposition to the Iraq war. Black leaders have criticized their comments, and Obama said Sunday her comment about King was "ill-advised."

"I think it offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act," he told reporters on a conference call. "She is free to explain that, but the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous."

As evidence the Obama campaign had pushed the story, Clinton advisers pointed to a memo written by an Obama staffer compiling examples of comments by Clinton and her surrogates that could be construed as racially insensitive. The memo later surfaced on some political Web sites.

"This is an unfortunate story line the Obama campaign has pushed very successfully," the former first lady said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I don't think this campaign is about gender, and I sure hope it's not about race."

Clinton taped the show before appearances in South Carolina, where at least half the primary voters are expected to be black. On Monday, she planned to attend a union event honoring King's legacy in New York City.

But no sooner had Clinton said she hoped the campaign would not be about race than it got even more heated. A prominent black Clinton supporter, Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson, criticized Obama and seemed to refer to his acknowledged teenage drug use while introducing Clinton at her next event.

"To me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues — when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood; I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book — when they have been involved," Johnson said.

Obama wrote about his youthful drug use — marijuana, alcohol and sometimes cocaine — in his memoir, "Dreams from My Father."

Johnson later said in a statement released by the Clinton campaign that his comments referred to Obama's work as a community organizer in Chicago "and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect."

Another Clinton campaign official, Bill Shaheen, resigned last month after suggesting Democrats should be wary of nominating Obama because his past drug use could be used against him in the campaign.

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Trigg
01-14-2008, 12:35 PM
I have a sick feeling that is this going to come down completely to race. Blacks are clearly flocking to Obama based on race.

The polls are saying:


among white voters, Clinton leads 41% to 27%. Among African-American voters, Obama leads 66% to 16%.

Hillary's camp clearly can't make any derogatory statements against Obama for fear of being called racist. This should make for an interresting race.


http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/2008_democratic_presidential_primary

Pale Rider
01-14-2008, 01:03 PM
I have a sick feeling that is this going to come down completely to race. Blacks are clearly flocking to Obama based on race.

The polls are saying:

Hillary's camp clearly can't make any derogatory statements against Obama for fear of being called racist. This should make for an interresting race.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/2008_democratic_presidential_primary

Why do you think Oprah is stumping for him. Why do you think he was on the Tyra Banks show? I'll give you two guess, and the second one doesn't count.

avatar4321
01-14-2008, 01:23 PM
i think this may be good. its going to expose Democrats as the racists they are. And it will wake people up.

Regardless what happens. this election is going to change everything in both parties.

Hugh Lincoln
01-14-2008, 10:17 PM
It's pretty hilarious, from my perspective. Democrats are lining up by race. That means that if Hillary gets the nomination, blacks will stay home on election day, and Republicans might win. If Obama gets the nomination, Republicans will come out in force to make sure a black socialist with the middle name "Hussein" does not have his full name spoken out loud by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ("I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear to...")

Chessplayer
01-14-2008, 10:25 PM
It's pretty hilarious, from my perspective. Democrats are lining up by race. That means that if Hillary gets the nomination, blacks will stay home on election day, and Republicans might win. If Obama gets the nomination, Republicans will come out in force to make sure a black socialist with the middle name "Hussein" does not have his full name spoken out loud by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ("I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear to...")

I'm curious, what does the fact that his middle name is "hussein" have to do with anything, other than an Ann Coulter talking point?

manu1959
01-14-2008, 10:33 PM
I'm curious, what does the fact that his middle name is "hussein" have to do with anything, other than an Ann Coulter talking point?

nothing......but his stance on certain issues may cost him....then there is the fact that a portion of america will not vote for a man of color ..... same as there is a portion of america that will vote for him because he is a man of color.....both groups are racist....

Gaffer
01-14-2008, 10:50 PM
I said it in 04 and I stand by it. It will be clinton/obama when all is said and done. You think clinton and obama are not looking at those polls and putting the numbers together.

Hugh Lincoln
01-14-2008, 10:51 PM
what does the fact that his middle name is "hussein" have to do with anything?

I don't know, man. If you're going to be coy about that, you don't belong in politics. That's like saying, who cares if his last name is Eichman? He's running for the Knesset!

emmett
01-14-2008, 11:19 PM
nothing......but his stance on certain issues may cost him....then there is the fact that a portion of america will not vote for a man of color ..... same as there is a portion of america that will vote for him because he is a man of color.....both groups are racist....

I beg to differ sir......I.....will not vote for him because he is a democrat! Now true, a portion of America will nprobably not vote for him because he is black. That's Okay. We all get to choose. I think it unlikely that racists will ever represent a majority in this country. So.......no problem. Akot of young whites are coming out in droves for Barrack. Most are uninformed, unexperienced in life and living in fantasyland. He will not be president. The term "racist" has become a term we decide to use whenever it is convienant and somewhat applicable given circumstances. Some folks just might think a black s not ready to be president.

There are alot of sharp conservatives who are black as well but I dare say that I would vote for them and yes.......because they are black. The issues today are complexand require the undivided attention of our president. A black president today would be juggloing the issue of being a black president so often I don't think they would be able to lend proper attention to actually being the president. It is an issue, there is no reason to pretend it is not.

The time will come for a black president to set a precedent. Now is just not the time. I have to also say I would be a little more comfortable if his name was Bob or something, not Hussein.

Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught.

Trigg
01-15-2008, 01:31 PM
I beg to differ sir......I.....will not vote for him because he is a democrat! Now true, a portion of America will nprobably not vote for him because he is black. That's Okay. We all get to choose. I think it unlikely that racists will ever represent a majority in this country. So.......no problem. Akot of young whites are coming out in droves for Barrack. Most are uninformed, unexperienced in life and living in fantasyland. He will not be president. The term "racist" has become a term we decide to use whenever it is convienant and somewhat applicable given circumstances. Some folks just might think a black s not ready to be president.

There are alot of sharp conservatives who are black as well but I dare say that I would vote for them and yes.......because they are black. The issues today are complexand require the undivided attention of our president. A black president today would be juggloing the issue of being a black president so often I don't think they would be able to lend proper attention to actually being the president. It is an issue, there is no reason to pretend it is not.

The time will come for a black president to set a precedent. Now is just not the time. I have to also say I would be a little more comfortable if his name was Bob or something, not Hussein.

Ok, I'm ready for the onslaught.

I have a couple of questions.

In the first bolded sentence you say some people wouldn't vote for him because he is black and then you go on to talk about racists. Are you calling all those people racist.

In the second bolded sentence you say you would vote for a black conservative "because they are black". Now, isn't that just as racist as the people who won't vote someone based on color??

Hagbard Celine
01-15-2008, 01:44 PM
This whole "issue" is stupid. The Clinton's statements have obviously been taken out of context and were spun, turned into mud and slung by the Obama campaign. To me this further proves Obama's inability to be president. He's a junior senator, he has the least political experience of anybody from either side of the aisle and now he's shown that he's so weak-minded that he has to resort to pulling the race card to score cheap points. WEAK man.

Hugh Lincoln
01-15-2008, 08:51 PM
But now it turns out that Obama is anti-Semitic because his preacher praised Farrakhan, Hillary is racist because she slandered MLK, and I'm racist because I stopped giving money to the United Negro College Fund.

I think we all need to just admit that everyone is racist.

I mean everybody. I just asked Jesus if he were racist, and he denied it, but then I checked his blog, and he said some really offensive stuff about Polynesians. So I don't know, man.

emmett
01-25-2008, 02:38 PM
I have a couple of questions.

In the first bolded sentence you say some people wouldn't vote for him because he is black and then you go on to talk about racists. Are you calling all those people racist.

In the second bolded sentence you say you would vote for a black conservative "because they are black". Now, isn't that just as racist as the people who won't vote someone based on color??

It is this simple, a black conservative would be healthy for the nation. A liberal one would not. A liberal one would be too busy catering to the special interests that he/she would be expected to represent. A black conservative has already went against odds and stands for something. It dosen't have anything to do with being racist.

An opinion that states fact isn't a racist remark.

Abbey Marie
01-25-2008, 02:43 PM
I said it in 04 and I stand by it. It will be clinton/obama when all is said and done. You think clinton and obama are not looking at those polls and putting the numbers together.

I'll bet you some rep that neither one will choose the other as running mate.