John McCain: Liberal In Disguise

[Pale Rider]

John McCain: Liberal In Disguise


by Matthew A. Roberts
as seen in National Ledger

Over the past three decades, America in some respects has moved slightly to the Right. Although conservatives have not yet won the wars on political correctness, education, and culture, Americans nevertheless are now more skeptical than they were thirty years ago of big government, high taxes, entitlements, judicial activism and secularism. In these areas, conservatives have proven most successful. The word "liberal" has become a bad word in most states, and consequently many leftists hesitate to label themselves as leftists.

In many states it now rings popular to call oneself a conservative, even if one truly resembles a liberal. As with any popular movement, dilution occurs, opportunists blow with the wind, and pretenders abound. John McCain is one of these pretenders. He is a leftist in disguise, using his popularity and charisma to masque his liberal leanings. In reality, McCain resides as far to the Left as John Kerry. Anyone who thinks otherwise deludes himself.

McCain has most feigned conservatism in his militarism. McCain, a Vietnam veteran, is hawkish and patriotic. These attributes support his political stump. As long as he can play the veteran card and remain pro-war, he can downplay all his other shortcomings. Appearing hawkish, however, does not necessarily constitute conservatism. (Recent history shows that leftists can be militaristic too: Stalin, Mao, Castro). Military force always will remain crucial in many cases, but willingness to use it does not incontrovertibly make one a conservative.

And when one gets beyond McCain's bellicism, his true liberal character crops up. Outside martial matters, McCain sides with the American Left on most key issues. The greatest irony of McCain's masquerade is that he packages himself as a principled conservative, one with character, who rises above partisan politics. In reality, however, he is as disingenuous as the Clintons and presently bends whichever the way the wind blows to bolster himself for 2008. Analyze him issue by issue.

Real all the reasons why... (http://www.gunowners.org/mcdisguise.htm)

[Classact]

I would vote for Hillary before McCain! McCain is a closet liberal and the son of a powerful political figure... he could be Swift Boated easier than Kerry if he hadn't been a POW in Vietnam. He graduated at the absolutely bottom of his class at the academy and without dad could have never been in the jet that was shot down, just like if Kerry didn't have a powerful dad he couldn't had a swift boat that he yearned for so he could be just like JFK with his PT 109... Spoiled brats and now he thinks it's his turn but is soooooo out of touch with the American people he is clueless.

[red states rule]

I would vote for Hillary before McCain! McCain is a closet liberal and the son of a powerful political figure... he could be Swift Boated easier than Kerry if he hadn't been a POW in Vietnam. He graduated at the absolutely bottom of his class at the academy and without dad could have never been in the jet that was shot down, just like if Kerry didn't have a powerful dad he couldn't had a swift boat that he yearned for so he could be just like JFK with his PT 109... Spoiled brats and now he thinks it's his turn but is soooooo out of touch with the American people he is clueless.

Except for the war on terror, there are few differences between McDone and the Red Queen

[Pale Rider]

If you're a true conservative Republican, McCain should be at the bottom of your list for people to vote for.

Just lump him in with the democraps, because that's where he truely belongs.

[Pale Rider]

Except for the war on terror, there are few differences between McDone and the Red Queen

Yup. He spends more time making back room deals with the liberals than he does with his own party.

He's a POS.

[red states rule]

If you're a true conservative Republican, McCain should be at the bottom of your list for people to vote for.

Just lump him in with the democraps, because that's where he truely belongs.

I am shocked so many conservatives have forgotten how McCain was pushing for amnesty for illegals and the assualt on free speech with his "campaign finance reform" bill

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

If you're a true conservative Republican, McCain should be at the bottom of your list for people to vote for.

Just lump him in with the democraps, because that's where he truely belongs.:clap: I agree I also have Huckabee And Ron Paul at the bottom of the heap for the same reasons there RINO'S :salute:

[truthmatters]

Good for you guys .

Stick to your guns on this one.

You are in the vast minority and I like to see you guys voting for candidates who have not got a chance in hell of ever being elected.

[Pale Rider]

Good for you guys .

Stick to your guns on this one.

You are in the vast minority and I like to see you guys voting for candidates who have not got a chance in hell of ever being elected.

"Vast minority?" Got anything to back that up besides some sappy poll? A couple early primaries on the east coast doesn't mean diddly.

As a matter of fact, just look at how the conservatives here on this board vote. McCain sucks hind tit bad, and I think this board is pretty good representation of how America as a whole will vote.

Romney or Thompson are the guys who will emerge on top for the Republicans, and either can beat anything the liberals have now, with ease.

[truthmatters]

Do you really think Hunter has a chance in hell of being elected?

[Pale Rider]

Do you really think Hunter has a chance in hell of being elected?

No, but that still doesn't change the fact that he's my favorite. I'll still vote for Romney, Thompson or Paul.

[truthmatters]

their chances are not much better

[Pale Rider]

their chances are not much better

You couldn't be more wrong.

[Hugh Lincoln]

I support Ron Paul because he's the exact opposite of McCain: against illegals, against the war.

If McCain gets the nomination, he will probably start trying to sound anti-illegal, I bet.

[truthmatters]

Do you think Ron Paul is a racist?




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/fred_thompsons_sinking_poll_nu.html


McCain25.7% Huckabee21.7% Giuliani15.7% Romney13.0% Thompson10.3% Paul4.0%

[Dilloduck]

Do you think Ron Paul is a racist?




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/fred_thompsons_sinking_poll_nu.html


McCain25.7% Huckabee21.7% Giuliani15.7% Romney13.0% Thompson10.3% Paul4.0%

Everyone is a racist

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

Everyone is a racist especially Obama

[82Marine89]

Everyone is a racist

I'm not a racist, but I do discriminate in all decisions that I make.

[truthmatters]

That question was for hugh guys. Hes voting for Ron Paul.



I support Ron Paul because he's the exact opposite of McCain: against illegals, against the war.

If McCain gets the nomination, he will probably start trying to sound anti-illegal, I bet.

[nevadamedic]

especially Obama

Obama and Paul are the worst......................

[truthmatters]

Link us up to any racism by Obama?

[Yurt]

Link us up to any racism by Obama?

look at his church, 'nuff said

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

Do you think Ron Paul is a racist?
IS the pope a catholic ?

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

Link us up to any racism by Obama?http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

[Pale Rider]

That question was for hugh guys. Hes voting for Ron Paul.

I said I'd vote for Paul too, so to answer your question, is Ron Paul a racist, I'd say no more so than obama bin laden.

But this is kind of a derail of my thread. The thread is about McCain being a liberal.

[manu1959]

Link us up to any racism by Obama?

the church he belongs to prefers one race over another....

[Pale Rider]

Not one single word from nm to refute any of this proof that McCain is a liberal... pretty telling...


First, regarding religion, McCain looms as no lover of Christians. Recall his comments about key religious leaders in 2000, calling them "agents of intolerance." And McCain's vitriolic vilification of Christians was not limited to a single occurrence, for he later said, "I must not and will not retract anything that I said in that speech at Virginia Beach. It was carefully crafted, it was carefully thought out." (Hardball, 3/1/00). More recently, however, McCain, positioning himself for 2008, has repackaged himself as pro-Christian, lauding key religious leaders and duping the devout. (Is this not as reptilian as Bill Clinton's waffling?)

Second, on the issue of gay marriage, in 2005 McCain opposed a federal gay-marriage ban (Los Angeles Times, 1/25/ and 3/8). Now, however, likely realizing that most Americans think otherwise, McCain says he supports a gay-marriage ban (Meet the Press, 4/2/06). Which is it? Given his penchant for progressive politics, we can only assume the former.

Then, regarding abortion, McCain most certainly is pro-choice. In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade would lead to illegal abortions. Realizing, however, that he could not inveigle the GOP nomination with such views, McCain more recently has resold himself as pro-life, even saying he would support the South Dakota ban on abortions. What are Americans to believe? He either is pro-choice or lacks any real conviction on the subject.

Furthermore, regarding campaign-finance reform, the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act is perhaps one of the more left-wing acts of Congress in the past twenty years. As recently exposed by Brian C. Anderson, "The Plot to Shush Rush and O'Reilly" in City Journal, McCain-Feingold (which passed with overwhelming Democrat support) is a convenient contrivance to silence conservatives. As noted by a whole host of commentators (George Will, Jonathan Rauch, and even Justice Clarence Thomas), this act poses blatant restrictions on political speech. It especially affects AM Radio and political internet blogs -- the only two spheres of popular media where conservatives can truly compete. Critics remain divided why McCain supported a dictate so damaging to conservatives. Was it perhaps so that he could silence many on the Right whom he laconically loathes?

Last, but not least, McCain's liberal tendencies show in the immigration debate. McCain has proven to be farther Left on the immigration issue than even many Liberals. At the very basis of most conservative thought is the idea of law and order, which are essential for the continuity of society. Bypassing tradition and sanity, and slapping in the face those who have come here legally, McCain has sought to sweep aside law and order to engage in the unbecoming business of pandering to ethnicities. (Isn't this the dominion of Democrats?) McCain's radical views on immigration threaten numerous components of the wellbeing of the United States and, more generally, Western Civilization: national security, standards of living, and cultural homogeneity, to name a few. McCain has courted the cheap-labor lobby for some fast cash for 2008 and now attempts to convert the U.S. into a third-world country.

McCain's liberal laundry list goes on and on. Senator Lindsey Graham, another liberal in disguise, comments correctly that the present is a defining moment for the Republican Party, although his underlying analysis is wrong. The choice is between a party of McCain's vision, a party indistinguishable from the Democratic Party, or a party that at least maintains a modicum of conservatism. If McCain loses, hopefully he will depart for the Democratic Party (where he belongs); but if he wins, expect to see a mass exodus of conservative voters from the GOP, probably over to a third party.

[GW in Ohio]

John McCain: Liberal In Disguise


by Matthew A. Roberts
as seen in National Ledger

Over the past three decades, America in some respects has moved slightly to the Right. Although conservatives have not yet won the wars on political correctness, education, and culture, Americans nevertheless are now more skeptical than they were thirty years ago of big government, high taxes, entitlements, judicial activism and secularism. In these areas, conservatives have proven most successful. The word "liberal" has become a bad word in most states, and consequently many leftists hesitate to label themselves as leftists.

In many states it now rings popular to call oneself a conservative, even if one truly resembles a liberal. As with any popular movement, dilution occurs, opportunists blow with the wind, and pretenders abound. John McCain is one of these pretenders. He is a leftist in disguise, using his popularity and charisma to masque his liberal leanings. In reality, McCain resides as far to the Left as John Kerry. Anyone who thinks otherwise deludes himself.

McCain has most feigned conservatism in his militarism. McCain, a Vietnam veteran, is hawkish and patriotic. These attributes support his political stump. As long as he can play the veteran card and remain pro-war, he can downplay all his other shortcomings. Appearing hawkish, however, does not necessarily constitute conservatism. (Recent history shows that leftists can be militaristic too: Stalin, Mao, Castro). Military force always will remain crucial in many cases, but willingness to use it does not incontrovertibly make one a conservative.

And when one gets beyond McCain's bellicism, his true liberal character crops up. Outside martial matters, McCain sides with the American Left on most key issues. The greatest irony of McCain's masquerade is that he packages himself as a principled conservative, one with character, who rises above partisan politics. In reality, however, he is as disingenuous as the Clintons and presently bends whichever the way the wind blows to bolster himself for 2008. Analyze him issue by issue.

Real all the reasons why... (http://www.gunowners.org/mcdisguise.htm)


Christ Almighty....

You guys can't even come together to support a candidate.

McCain is a GOP front-runner because the other candidates are all so deeply flawed. McCain will be the GOPer nominee because the other guys are so pathetic.

You might as well start liking him, even with his [*shudder*] liberalism.

Face it, kids, you're gonna get a liberal in the White House next year. Better start stockin' up on Valium and Scotch.

[red states rule]

McCain might as well save time, and offer to be VP for Hillary and Obama

Meanwhile, the Dems are waiting to see who will promise to give them more in handouts before they decide who will be their choice

[JohnDoe]

Democrats do not see mccain as a liberal, they see him as a War Loving Hawk imo....

[GW in Ohio]

McCain might as well save time, and offer to be VP for Hillary and Obama

Meanwhile, the Dems are waiting to see who will promise to give them more in handouts before they decide who will be their choice

Sounds like you conservatives are in for a lot of heartache in the coming years.

Be of good cheer. If liberals can endure a moron like George Bush for 8 years, you guys can certainly survive 8 years of President Obama.

[PostmodernProphet]

the church he belongs to prefers one race over another....

/shrugs.....the church he belongs to has committed to helping blacks climb out of poverty......would you prefer it if they promoted the government doing it instead of the church?........

[jimnyc]

Sounds like you conservatives are in for a lot of heartache in the coming years.

Be of good cheer. If liberals can endure a moron like George Bush for 8 years, you guys can certainly survive 8 years of President Obama.

Hilarious considering just a month or 2 ago you were spouting off that we should get used to the term "Madam Clinton". What happened that you jumped off her bandwagon so quickly?

[GW in Ohio]

Hilarious considering just a month or 2 ago you were spouting off that we should get used to the term "Madam Clinton". What happened that you jumped off her bandwagon so quickly?

jim: After observing Hillary and Obama for the last few months, I'm impressed with him and disappointed in her weasely negative campaign.

Hillary has more baggage than Jane Fonda preparing for a weekend in the Hamptons.

Obama, for all of his supposed lack of experience, is the one who spotted Bush's Iraq war for the sham that it was.

Having said all that, I'd still vote for Hillary over any of the GOP guys, except for Ron Paul. He is my top choice for the presidency.

[Pale Rider]

Christ Almighty....

You guys can't even come together to support a candidate.

McCain is a GOP front-runner because the other candidates are all so deeply flawed. McCain will be the GOPer nominee because the other guys are so pathetic.

You might as well start liking him, even with his [*shudder*] liberalism.

Face it, kids, you're gonna get a liberal in the White House next year. Better start stockin' up on Valium and Scotch.

Take him... he's yours. Then stop preaching to me about flawed Republican candidates. You liberals have the top holders of that distinction.

[manu1959]

/shrugs.....the church he belongs to has committed to helping blacks climb out of poverty......would you prefer it if they promoted the government doing it instead of the church?........

*shrugs back* ....like you said his chuch prefers one race over another.....

[Abbey Marie]

jim: After observing Hillary and Obama for the last few months, I'm impressed with him and disappointed in her weasely negative campaign.

Hillary has more baggage than Jane Fonda preparing for a weekend in the Hamptons.

Obama, for all of his supposed lack of experience, is the one who spotted Bush's Iraq war for the sham that it was.

Having said all that, I'd still vote for Hillary over any of the GOP guys, except for Ron Paul. He is my top choice for the presidency.

Hey, at least we don't cry and threaten to leave the country if a Dem wins, and then stay, like your folks did over Bush. :coffee:

[Abbey Marie]

/shrugs.....the church he belongs to has committed to helping blacks climb out of poverty......would you prefer it if they promoted the government doing it instead of the church?........

I think that to single out a race to favor that extent is questionable for a man who wants to represent the entire nation. But I do hear you on Church vs. Gov't. The concern of course, is that his beliefs will spill over into policy.

[JohnDoe]

so, a compromiser is not good, huh? That automatically makes them "someone ON THE OTHER SIDE"?

is it better that we have someone who doesn't give a hoot about the will of half the country, who does not compromise like Mccain has done or Obama has done?

btw, mccain is a Republican, 100% and he is NOT a Democrat, i and many other Democrats, are CERTAIN of this....

He's a hawk....

jd

[Pale Rider]

so, a compromiser is not good, huh? That automatically makes them "someone ON THE OTHER SIDE"?

is it better that we have someone who doesn't give a hoot about the will of half the country, who does not compromise like Mccain has done or Obama has done?

btw, mccain is a Republican, 100% and he is NOT a Democrat, i and many other Democrats, are CERTAIN of this....

He's a hawk....

jd

Well big John, it suppose in your world if you say McCain is a Republican, that just magically makes him one. That's fine, but it doesn't change the facts that in the REAL world, McCain's record bears him out to be more a liberal than a conservative, and that puts him squarly in YOUR camp. Not mine.

Go ahead, vote for him. Cold day in hell he'd ever see mine.

[JohnDoe]

Well big John, it suppose in your world if you say McCain is a Republican, that just magically makes him one. That's fine, but it doesn't change the facts that in the REAL world, McCain's record bears him out to be more a liberal than a conservative, and that puts him squarly in YOUR camp. Not mine.

Go ahead, vote for him. Cold day in hell he'd ever see mine.


Me saying he is one is nothing that adds up, but John McCain saying that he is one, and John McCain being voted in to office as one for several decades, And John McCain being a registered republican party member and John McCain being a Republican Senator makes him a Republican WELL ABOVE my measley opinion on this.... :laugh2:

What you talkin' about Willis?

i am not going to vote for him!!!! (He's toooooooo Republican!!!! ) lollollol ;)

jd

[Pale Rider]

Me saying he is one is nothing that adds up, but John McCain saying that he is one, and John McCain being voted in to office as one for several decades, And John McCain being a registered republican party member and John McCain being a Republican Senator makes him a Republican WELL ABOVE my measley opinion on this.... :laugh2:

What you talkin' about Willis?

i am not going to vote for him!!!! (He's toooooooo Republican!!!! ) lollollol ;)

jd

I think you need to take another look at him JD. There's been plenty of stuff posted here on the board in the past week or so including links that show McCain is EXTREMELY liberal. Far too liberal to be considered a true conservative. Any informed person that's done half a modicum of research on him knows this.

[JohnDoe]

I think you need to take another look at him JD. There's been plenty of stuff posted here on the board in the past week or so including links that show McCain is EXTREMELY liberal. Far too liberal to be considered a true conservative. Any informed person that's done half a modicum of research on him knows this.I don't care about the things he compromised on that much, outside of campaign finance reform, and only a couple of parts of that ...irk me to heck and back...

It is his stance on the iraq war and preemptive war in general, that would keep me from ever voting for him.... and also the fact that he would be putting in a Cabinet of people that would also support it....

[PostmodernProphet]

I think you need to take another look at him JD. There's been plenty of stuff posted here on the board in the past week or so including links that show McCain is EXTREMELY liberal. Far too liberal to be considered a true conservative. Any informed person that's done half a modicum of research on him knows this.


I think it's EXTREME to say he is EXTREMELY liberal....he is more liberal than Tancredo or Hunter, yes....but then neither of them had a rat's chance in a third world meat market of getting elected.....

[Pale Rider]

I think it's EXTREME to say he is EXTREMELY liberal....he is more liberal than Tancredo or Hunter, yes....but then neither of them had a rat's chance in a third world meat market of getting elected.....

He's EXTREMELY liberal to be calling himself CONSERVATIVE. And it's a crying shame the general public is too stupid to see that either Tancredo or Hunter were the best true conservatives we had. You can ask people who they are, and I'd bet half wouldn't even know, and that just goes to show how truly ignorant people really are, and that's not a very good endorsement for the overall intelligence of the average American citizen.

[Classact]

Christ Almighty....

You guys can't even come together to support a candidate.

McCain is a GOP front-runner because the other candidates are all so deeply flawed. McCain will be the GOPer nominee because the other guys are so pathetic.

You might as well start liking him, even with his [*shudder*] liberalism.

[B]Face it, kids, you're gonna get a liberal in the White House next year. Better start stockin' up on Valium and Scotch.[B]I hope Senator Thompson is our nominee, if not then Governor Romney... otherwise I'm really not interested unless it would be Congressman Paul.

There are a lot of people that won't hold there nose and vote for McCain but that doesn't really matter because if the Republican Party doesn't select a nominee that will rally the nation the Senate and House of Representatives will be filled with a super majority of Democrats anyhow, it would do absolutely no good to have a Republican President with a super majority of Democrats in the congress.

We need to rally around Senator Thompson and raise hell about Democrats wanting to adopt Mexico so some sanity will return to the upcoming election.

A lifetime before the election and a lot of things can happen but if it doesn't involve hiring a majority of Republicans in Congress America is doomed regardless who is president.

[PostmodernProphet]

And it's a crying shame the general public is too stupid to see that either Tancredo or Hunter were the best true conservatives we had.

you and about four percent of Republicans agree.....that means they would have finished with about 2% of the vote in a national election.....

[Pale Rider]

you and about four percent of Republicans agree.....that means they would have finished with about 2% of the vote in a national election.....

Like I said... crying shame, that people are too stupid. People for the most part just go with whatever they hear in passing. I'd say less than half actually do any research on a candidate. All they know is what's been force fed to them on TV.

[Classact]

you and about four percent of Republicans agree.....that means they would have finished with about 2% of the vote in a national election.....America needs a new system to sort out the nominees... a national forum with the nation voting on every candidate. Get the rich and poor on the same field... make it a national network TV mandate to provide six hours of time a week throughout the nomination process... then have the parties spill their guts as to what they stand for.

Then the good part have a debate with toll free call in's... The Democrats are interviewed by a group appointed by the Republican Party and the Republicans are interviewed by a group appointed by the Democratic Party.

Then, after a nominee is selected and only then will they be allowed to spend money and place advertisements.

[Pale Rider]

America needs a new system to sort out the nominees... a national forum with the nation voting on every candidate. Get the rich and poor on the same field... make it a national network TV mandate to provide six hours of time a week throughout the nomination process... then have the parties spill their guts as to what they stand for.

Then the good part have a debate with toll free call in's... The Democrats are interviewed by a group appointed by the Republican Party and the Republicans are interviewed by a group appointed by the Democratic Party.

Then, after a nominee is selected and only then will they be allowed to spend money and place advertisements.

I like it. I think that's a great idea. It would make an election more about what people want and what a candidate stands for instead of a popularity contest and who the MSM shoves down your throat. I think it would also keep the candidates more honest.

Great idea.


You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Classact again.

[Pale Rider]

"Bump"... when is enough, enough? I hope that by now it's becoming evident to the doubters that yes, mccain is a liberal.

[Dilloduck]

"Bump"... when is enough, enough? I hope that by now it's becoming evident to the doubters that yes, mccain is a liberal.

but he's a popular Republican ----people think that's more important.

[Pale Rider]

but he's a popular Republican ----people think that's more important.

Popular with the liberal media... :uhoh:

[Dilloduck]

Popular with the liberal media... :uhoh:

Someone other than the liberal media is voting for him. It's that R behind his name.

[Pale Rider]

Someone other than the liberal media is voting for him. It's that R behind his name.

Yes there is... a lot of ill informed, kool aide drinking, led around by the nose, RINO's.

[red states rule]

This will either piss you off or make you laugh PR

Or both


The Coming Test for McCain's Soul
By E. J. Dionne

WASHINGTON -- John McCain is feared by Democrats and liked by independents. That, paradoxically, is why he may yet be rejected by Republicans, even though he has bent over backward to satisfy conservative demands.

McCain exorcised the ghosts of South Carolina on Saturday, winning a critical primary in a state where he was viciously savaged eight years ago by George W. Bush. McCain's loss ended his chances in 2000, but the sheer ferocity of the campaign against him only burnished his legend as the brave independent willing to confront a Republican political machine that punishes free thinking.

McCain's politics-be-damned image has proved remarkably durable, even though he more recently cozied up to his right-wing critics in the anti-tax movement and the older parts of the religious right. Where he once bravely opposed Bush's tax cuts, McCain now spouts orthodoxy in declaring they should be made permanent. He speaks of himself as the true Reaganite because of his opposition to federal spending.

In South Carolina it was enough -- but only because moderates, liberals and independents identified McCain as the best available alternative.

McCain won overwhelmingly among voters who described themselves as moderate or liberal, but lost to Mike Huckabee among conservatives. He ran more than 2-1 behind Huckabee among those who identified themselves as very conservative. Even though McCain has long opposed abortion, he ran strongly among voters who favor keeping it legal. He lost among those who would outlaw it.

for the complete article

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/the_coming_test_for_mccains_so.html

[Pale Rider]

I don't think anybody trying to deny mclame is a liberal has a leg to stand on rsr. In fact, he's probably the biggest liberal to ever have the audacity to call himself a Republican, which we know better. RINO is more like it.

[typomaniac]

Every GOP candidate is a liberal in disguise. They all want to spend your money like drunken sailors.

[Pale Rider]

Every GOP candidate is a liberal in disguise. They all want to spend your money like drunken sailors.

There's a lot more than just that that makes someone a liberal, just look at yourself.

[typomaniac]

There's a lot more than just that that makes someone a liberal, just look at yourself.

I make no apologies whatsoever for having liberal views on social policy.

It's just that nobody has the right to call himself a fiscal conservative when he supports insanely large deficit spending Reagan/Bush-style.

[Pale Rider]

I make no apologies whatsoever for having liberal views on social policy.

It's just that nobody has the right to call himself a fiscal conservative when he supports insanely large deficit spending Reagan/Bush-style.

Government spending is one of the most important issues to me, and mclame the liberal has been in Washington a long, long time. He's been right in the middle of it. He hasn't a leg to stand on to try and convince me he's against drunken sailor type spending. He's guilty as hell of it himself, along with many other things that are liberal in nature.

[red states rule]

Here is more on McCain and illegals


McCain sees attrition as way to ease illegal entries
By Stephen Dinan
January 28, 2008

Sen. John McCain now is embracing a version of the attrition strategy to fight illegal immigration, saying his version of a guest-worker plan would actually force many illegal aliens to leave the country over the next couple of years.

"I would propose, once the borders are secure and the borders stay government-certified, then I would have [a] tamper-proof biometric-document system so that the only people that can work are those who have that. And that would cause many more to leave this country," Mr. McCain told "Al Punto," Univision's Sunday political talk-show program, in an interview broadcast yesterday.

Mr. McCain and three other Republican presidential candidates sat down for interviews with the program, which covered immigration, the economy and U.S. policy toward Cuba.

The Arizona senator has said he "got the message" after the defeat of the immigration bill he sponsored last year with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and the backing of President Bush. That bill would have created an immediate probationary status for illegal aliens, given them a path to citizenship and increased legal immigration as well.

Now, Mr. McCain says that he would focus first on border security, that 2 million criminal illegal aliens should be deported outright, and that only after the borders are secure and a worker-verification program is in place should illegal aliens get a path to citizenship.


for the complete article

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080128/NATION/147261022/1001

[Pale Rider]

Here is more on McCain and illegals


McCain sees attrition as way to ease illegal entries
By Stephen Dinan
January 28, 2008

Sen. John McCain now is embracing a version of the attrition strategy to fight illegal immigration, saying his version of a guest-worker plan would actually force many illegal aliens to leave the country over the next couple of years.

"I would propose, once the borders are secure and the borders stay government-certified, then I would have [a] tamper-proof biometric-document system so that the only people that can work are those who have that. And that would cause many more to leave this country," Mr. McCain told "Al Punto," Univision's Sunday political talk-show program, in an interview broadcast yesterday.

Mr. McCain and three other Republican presidential candidates sat down for interviews with the program, which covered immigration, the economy and U.S. policy toward Cuba.

The Arizona senator has said he "got the message" after the defeat of the immigration bill he sponsored last year with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and the backing of President Bush. That bill would have created an immediate probationary status for illegal aliens, given them a path to citizenship and increased legal immigration as well.

Now, Mr. McCain says that he would focus first on border security, that 2 million criminal illegal aliens should be deported outright, and that only after the borders are secure and a worker-verification program is in place should illegal aliens get a path to citizenship.


for the complete article

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080128/NATION/147261022/1001

Way to back peddle. Maybe it's finally sunk in that if he doesn't do what the majority of Americans want, he can kiss his White House aspirations goodbye.

[Sir Evil]

Pale Rider: Liberal In Disguise



:laugh2::laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

:laugh2::laugh2:

:flameth: - - - :ahole:

[Kathianne]

Way to back peddle. Maybe it's finally sunk in that if he doesn't do what the majority of Americans want, he can kiss his White House aspirations goodbye.

Him and Huckabee, claim to 'see the light'. What do you think would happen if they were elected? McCain-Kennedy. Huckabee's proposal to give in state tuition to all illegals. Just wrong.

[red states rule]

Him and Huckabee, claim to 'see the light'. What do you think would happen if they were elected? McCain-Kennedy. Huckabee's proposal to give in state tuition to all illegals. Just wrong.

and voting rights will not be far behind

[Pale Rider]

Him and Huckabee, claim to 'see the light'. What do you think would happen if they were elected? McCain-Kennedy. Huckabee's proposal to give in state tuition to all illegals. Just wrong.

mccain was asked exactly that at tonight's debates on CNN... "would you sign yours and kennedy's immigration reform bill if you were President," and he dodged the question each time by saying, "it won't." He was unable to just say "no." He's still all about giving illegals amnesty, and he doesn't want that nasty little fact to bog down his campaign.

[typomaniac]

mccain was asked exactly that at tonight's debates on CNN... "would you sign yours and kennedy's immigration reform bill if you were President," and he dodged the question each time by saying, "it won't." He was unable to just say "no." He's still all about giving illegals amnesty, and he doesn't want that nasty little fact to bog down his campaign.

Hey, cheap labor is good labor, as most corporate lobbyists will tell you. Get someone like Tancredo or Hunter who openly fights that, and their campaigns grind to a halt for lack of money.

[Pale Rider]

Hey, cheap labor is good labor, as most corporate lobbyists will tell you. Get someone like Tancredo or Hunter who openly fights that, and their campaigns grind to a halt for lack of money.

So, you're an advocate of criminal behavior? It's OK to break the law if it's in the name of "cheap labor?" I don't think that's the point you're trying to make specifically.

You are right that when we get a true conservative that makes it his platform to do something about it, he's practically ignored, all while national polls tell us it's one of the top issues in front of voters.... go figure.... :dunno:

[GW in Ohio]

If you're a true conservative Republican, McCain should be at the bottom of your list for people to vote for.

Just lump him in with the democraps, because that's where he truely belongs.

So are you right-wing guys all gonna stay home and pout on election day?

[typomaniac]

So, you're an advocate of criminal behavior? It's OK to break the law if it's in the name of "cheap labor?" I don't think that's the point you're trying to make specifically.

You are right that when we get a true conservative that makes it his platform to do something about it, he's practically ignored, all while national polls tell us it's one of the top issues in front of voters.... go figure.... :dunno:
You're correct: I wasn't siding with businesses that condone criminal behavior. The only point I was trying to make is that money talks.

WAY too loudly. :mad: