Did Hillary Steal NH?

[red states rule]

In 2004, all the exit polls showed John Kerry winning big over Pres Bush. However, when the votes were counted, Kerry lost

The next morning, the left screamed how the election was stolen.

Now, will some on the left same the same about Hillary?

I do not think she stole the election, but what do the Obama supporters think?

[avatar4321]

What happened is the polls moved decisively for Obama so independents who were going to break for him decided that they wouldnt effect that race and decided to vote in the Republican race.

Thats my theory atleast. I am not sure the Republican race would have changed. but i think it would have been closer if it werent for that poll showing an Obama blow out.

[Little-Acorn]

Usually the most accurate polls are of "likely voters". But most polling places define "likely voters" as people who have voted in the previous election, and the one before that, etc. Such people usually do vote in the present election; people who didn't vote in the last few often don't vote in this one either.

But the NH primary had lots of young voters, college age or thereabouts. Obama and Billary had both worked hard to target them and get them out to the polls. None had voted in the previous election because they were under the voting age at the time. So they didn't get counted as "likely voters", and were dropped from most polls.

And in yuppie-ish, hard-left, latte-drinking households in urban NH, a lot of them did vote, and most voted for Billary.

[retiredman]

And in yuppie-ish, hard-left, latte-drinking households in urban NH, a lot of them did vote, and most voted for Billary.


haven't spent much time in New Hampshire, have ya?:laugh2:

[Pale Rider]

This is prime example of why you shouldn't trust polls. What someone may say to some jerk over the phone, or click on online, is NOT what they're going to do once they enter the voting booth.

I'm glad hillary won. Because not only to I believe she'd be easier to beat in the general election, but it'll be interesting to see how obama bin laden handles it.

[manu1959]

In 2004, all the exit polls showed John Kerry winning big over Pres Bush. However, when the votes were counted, Kerry lost

The next morning, the left screamed how the election was stolen.

Now, will some on the left same the same about Hillary?

I do not think she stole the election, but what do the Obama supporters think?

well he was wining the polls by 10......dibold machines cna be rigged by up to 12 and she wins be 2......

you do the math.....

[red states rule]

The kook left is starting the Diebold conspiracy once again


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Vote fraud expert Bev Harris has warned that New Hampshire's electronic voting machines are wide open to fraud and that even modestly skilled computer programmers were able to identify key vulnerabilities within ten minutes of assessing them as key Democrat and Republican primaries unfold today.

The contract for programming all of New Hampshire's Diebold voting machines, which combined will count 81 per cent of the vote today, is owned by LHS Associates, which also holds the contracts for Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010808_vote_fraud.htm

[red states rule]

Now, the kook left is saying it is another right wing conspiracy


To Snow's Astonishment, Maher Suggests GOP Stole NH for Hillary
By Brent Baker | January 12, 2008 - 01:50 ET
Insisting he's “not a conspiracy theorist,” Bill Maher, on the Friday night season debut of his HBO show, suggested that because Republicans prefer to run against Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama they engineered her victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary. Later on Real Time with Bill Maher, former ABC News reporter/anchor Catherine Crier claimed “you have to work really hard to find a truly liberal” politician and “Hillary Clinton and John Edwards and Barack Obama are not raging liberals.”

Maher opened the panel discussion, with Tony Snow, Crier and Mark Cuban, by observing how he found it “odd” that polls showed Obama ahead in New Hampshire, yet Clinton won, and “it does bother me that a private company runs the polling machines and that only they certainly seem to know what went on.” A couple of minutes later, Maher noted that “in crime they always ask...'who profits?'” Looking at Snow, he then pondered:


Who profits from the Hillary victory? They don't want to run against Obama. Your party does not want to run against him. They want to run against Hillary Clinton and now they have a race with her in it.

A bemused Snow called Maher's reasoning “totally wacko!” and “completely wacked” as Maher contended Republicans have thrown races before: “They did it to Ed Muskie.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/01/12/snows-astonishment-maher-suggests-gop-stole-nh-hillary

[AFbombloader]

Now, the kook left is saying it is another right wing conspiracy


To Snow's Astonishment, Maher Suggests GOP Stole NH for Hillary
By Brent Baker | January 12, 2008 - 01:50 ET
Insisting he's “not a conspiracy theorist,” Bill Maher, on the Friday night season debut of his HBO show, suggested that because Republicans prefer to run against Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama they engineered her victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary. Later on Real Time with Bill Maher, former ABC News reporter/anchor Catherine Crier claimed “you have to work really hard to find a truly liberal” politician and “Hillary Clinton and John Edwards and Barack Obama are not raging liberals.”

Maher opened the panel discussion, with Tony Snow, Crier and Mark Cuban, by observing how he found it “odd” that polls showed Obama ahead in New Hampshire, yet Clinton won, and “it does bother me that a private company runs the polling machines and that only they certainly seem to know what went on.” A couple of minutes later, Maher noted that “in crime they always ask...'who profits?'” Looking at Snow, he then pondered:


Who profits from the Hillary victory? They don't want to run against Obama. Your party does not want to run against him. They want to run against Hillary Clinton and now they have a race with her in it.

A bemused Snow called Maher's reasoning “totally wacko!” and “completely wacked” as Maher contended Republicans have thrown races before: “They did it to Ed Muskie.”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/01/12/snows-astonishment-maher-suggests-gop-stole-nh-hillary


Holy cow! I know this may be a stretch, but can't the polls just be wrong! And to immediately blame the GOP. Give me a f$%^ing break!


AF:salute:

[DrJohn]

Does anybody really pay any attention to Bill Maher?

[red states rule]

Does anybody really pay any attention to Bill Maher?

Maher is a pround member of the kook left. much like Rosie. It is when they make idiotic statements people ask who pays attention to them

[DrJohn]

I, for one, don't listen to Maher or Rosie.

Both of them are a little to "kooky" for my tastes.

[April15]

The SCOTUS would have had to rule for her to steal it!

[Mr. P]

The SCOTUS would have had to rule for her to steal it!

TM says the voting machines did it..check with her.

[MtnBiker]

Actually the Republicans control the voting machines and Bush controls the Supreme Court. Honestly I don't know why these disenfranchised people bother voting at all, the Republicans are jus going to appoint who they want anyway. After all that is how the dems gain control of congress in 2006. :rolleyes:

[April15]

YA got to admit our elections are looking more and more like some third world elections.

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

Maher is a pround member of the kook left. much like Rosie. It is when they make idiotic statements people ask who pays attention to themI think my decision to invest in tin foil is paying off :salute:

[Gunny]

In 2004, all the exit polls showed John Kerry winning big over Pres Bush. However, when the votes were counted, Kerry lost

The next morning, the left screamed how the election was stolen.

Now, will some on the left same the same about Hillary?

I do not think she stole the election, but what do the Obama supporters think?

Is this a trick question? Anyone who voted for Obama, Clinton or Edwards should be required to take a psychiatric evaluation. Obama might actually make a good school crossing guard, but it's actually irrelevant which one of the idiots wins amongst each other.

[typomaniac]

Maher is a pround member of the kook left. much like Rosie. It is when they make idiotic statements people ask who pays attention to them

You must be jealous as hell. :lol:

[red states rule]

YA got to admit our elections are looking more and more like some third world elections.

Libs did not feel that way after the votes were counted in 06. Seems libs always whine about fraud when they lose - but when they win they bellow how the voices of the voters have been heard

[typomaniac]

Libs did not feel that way after the votes were counted in 06. Seems libs always whine about fraud when they lose - but when they win they bellow how the voices of the voters have been heard

Maybe that's because THEY don't have to resort to fraud to get elected.

[red states rule]

Maybe that's because THEY don't have to resort to fraud to get elected.

Not in 06 - Republicans gave Dems the election on a silver platter

But many Dems have been convicted of vote fraud in the 02 qnd 04 election

[typomaniac]

Not in 06 - Republicans gave Dems the election on a silver platter

But many Dems have been convicted of vote fraud in the 02 qnd 04 election

Provide a link.

[red states rule]

Provide a link.

Here are some to name a few...........


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/06/guilty-verdict-in-esl-voter-fraud.html

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2007/11/06/2-convicted-vote-fraud-ohio-no-mention-theyre-democrats

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189


While not fraud, Dems were convicted of slashing tires on 25 vans rented by Republicans to take voters to polls for the 2004 presidential election.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=418855

[manu1959]

and the recount begins............

http://wbztv.com/racenh/NH.Primary.Recount.2.630861.html

[typomaniac]

Here are some to name a few...........


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/06/guilty-verdict-in-esl-voter-fraud.html

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2007/11/06/2-convicted-vote-fraud-ohio-no-mention-theyre-democrats

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189


While not fraud, Dems were convicted of slashing tires on 25 vans rented by Republicans to take voters to polls for the 2004 presidential election.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=418855

The only link that had anything to do with the 02 or 04 elections, which is what you brought up to begin with. (Besides the fraud conviction from the "newsbusters" blog, which had to do with a technicality that the defendants were just too damn lazy to follow the correct procedures.) Weak.