This Republican opperative spills the fraud beans

[truthmatters]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/opinion/01tue3.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


He worked as a Republican for years on elections until he went to jail for phone jamming.

Now hes written a book and is outing just how dirty the Republican party is.



It was a world in which, he claims, dirty tricks were the norm. When Mr. Raymond opened a political telemarketing firm, he was hired by a Republican challenging a New Jersey Democratic congressman. Mr. Raymond’s company — in a plan he says he hatched with the challenger’s advisers — called liberal Democrats and urged them to vote for the Green Party candidate.

Those same advisers, he says, gave Mr. Raymond another assignment: to call white households asking them to vote for the Democrat, using the voice of, as he puts it, a “ghetto black guy.” He also called union households, using voices with thick Spanish accents.

[Kathianne]

Are you implying it's just Republican operatives that commit dirty tricks?

[truthmatters]

When was the last time a Dem went to prison and then wrote a book?

Look you cant just keep playing hear not evil , see no evil and or so does the other side when you can produce no evidence of any modernday violations.

Go Get the proof.

I have been giving you PROOF for months.




http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=592156




Description
Fresh out of grad school, Allen Raymond joined the GOP for one reason: rumor had it that there was big money to be made on the Republican side of the aisle.

From the earliest days of the Republican Revolution through its culmination in the second Bush White House, Raymond played a key role in helping GOP candidates twist the truth beyond recognition during a decade of crucial and bitterly fought campaigns. His career took him from the nastiest of local elections in New Jersey backwaters through runs for Congress and the Senate and right up to a top management position in a bid for the presidency itself.

It also took him to prison.

Full of wit and candor, Raymond's account offers an astonishingly frank look at the black art of campaigning and the vagaries of the Republican establishment. Unlike many "architects" of the political scene, the author takes full responsibility for his actions -- even as he never misses a trick.

A completely original tale of the disillusioning of a man who enters politics with no illusions, How to Rig an Election is a brilliant and hilarious exposé of how the contemporary political game is really played.

[Kathianne]

When was the last time a Dem went to prison and then wrote a book?

Look you cant just keep playing hear not evil , see no evil and or so does the other side when you can produce no evidence of any modernday violations.

Go Get the proof.

I have been giving you PROOF for months.

Do you mean something like this? Read it Plea agreement is the only reason it was a misdemeanor and that was wrong:

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/Press_Releases/2006_Archives/Mar_2006/06122.html


Former DSCC researcher pleads guilty under deferred prosecution agreement to
fraudulently obtaining credit report

Washington, D.C. - A former Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee researcher, Lauren B. Weiner, has pleaded guilty under a deferred prosecution agreement to fraudulently obtaining a credit report, United States Attorney Kenneth L. Wainstein and Joseph Persichini, Jr., Acting Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI’s Washington Field Office, announced today.

Weiner, 25, of the 1300 block of New Hampshire Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C., pleaded guilty today before U.S. Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola to a misdemeanor charge of fraud in connection with computers.

According to a statement signed by the defendant and the government, in 2005, Lauren B. Weiner (“Weiner”) worked at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (“DSCC”) as a research associate. In early July 2005, Weiner was conducting public records searches on Maryland’s Lt. Governor Michael S. Steele (“Lt. Gov. Steele”), someone then rumored to be a possible Republican candidate for a U.S. Senate seat from Maryland. Weiner found records regarding Lt. Gov. Steele and, in these records, Lt. Gov. Steele’s Social Security number. Weiner spoke with her immediate supervisor, the research director at DSCC (“research director”) about how she might use a Social Security number to pull up more information. The research director told Weiner that they could get his financial information and suggested using the Social Security number to “check his credit.”

First, Weiner attempted to access a web site offering a credit report from Experian. The web site requested Lt. Gov. Steele’s driver’s license number, which Weiner did not know. Weiner then asked the research director what to do; the research director told Weiner to try another site which did not require the driver’s license number. Weiner found the site to TransUnion, which offers the ability to have consumers order their own credit report. Weiner inputted information as if she were Lt. Gov. Steele; for example, she typed in his name, address, date of birth, Social Security number. Weiner even registered with TransUnion as Lt. Gov. Steele by inventing a password, and answering a “secret question” if she were to forget the password. At the point where the application requested an “email” account, Weiner typed in “gopsteele@yahoo.com.” Weiner, in fact, had created this email account by registering the account, “gopsteele@yahoo.com”, with Yahoo! from her DSCC computer on July 12, 2005, by completing the required fields with Lt. Gov. Steele’s name and address. (Weiner did not tell the research director that she created an email account for Lt. Gov. Steele)....

[truthmatters]

Later that same day, the research director notified her supervisors at DSCC that Weiner had obtained Lt. Gov. Steele’s credit report. The supervisors ordered Weiner, through the research director, to immediately destroy the credit report, which she did the following morning. The next day the supervisors reported to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia that Weiner had obtained Lt. Gov. Steele’s credit report. Weiner, and the DSCC, did not use Lt. Gov. Steele’s credit report for any financial or political purpose. No economic loss resulted from Weiner’s actions. Weiner cooperated with the investigating agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), including by disclosing details of her offense to a special agent with the FBI.

And when the Higher ups in the Democratic party found out what she did they turned her in.


The Republican party higher ups told this guy to perform the dirty tricks.

Thanks for helping prove my point.

[avatar4321]

When was the last time a Dem went to prison and then wrote a book?


When was the last time a Democrat was literate?

[MtnBiker]

Chicago, Wisconsin
Why is a clean state suddenly beset by dirty elections?

Saturday, October 26, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT

The progressive citizens of Wisconsin have reason to worry that Chicago-style vote-buying is creeping north from Illinois. The NBC affiliate in Milwaukee has just filmed Democratic campaign workers handing out small amounts of money and free food to residents at a home for the mentally ill in Kenosha after which the patients were shepherded into a separate room and given absentee ballots. One of the Democratic Party workers fled when she saw the NBC camera. The local district attorney is investigating.


Traditionally a clean government state, Wisconsin is now paying for its loose election laws. In 2000 its same-day voter-registration law was abused by Connie Milstein, a New York Democratic activist, who was caught on camera bribing the homeless with cigarettes to vote for Al Gore. She was later fined $5,000. (Several Wisconsin politicians were also recently charged with violating state campaign laws.)

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002530

[truthmatters]

Wow some street level Dem handing out cigs compares with the type of fraud we are talking in this book?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Raymond


Allen Raymond is the Republican political consultant in the United States who spent three months in federal prison for his role in the 2002 New Hampshire Senate election phone jamming scandal.

Raymond told investigators that his former Republican National Committee colleague James Tobin approached him with a plan to tie up the phones of NH Democrats on Election Day 2002, during a close Senate race between Republican John E. Sununu and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen. Raymond collected $15,600 from the NH Republican State Committee and paid Idaho telemarketing company $2,300 to make non-stop hangup phone calls to six NH phone lines. Five of these were being used by Democrats to get out the vote; the sixth belonged to the Manchester (NH) Firefighters' Union, which offers non-partisan rides to the polls.

[/B]At the time of the 2002 phone-jamming, Raymond owned a Virginia-based GOP phone-bank company (GOP Marketplace) and also held a paid position as executive director of the Republican Leadership Council.[/B]

In an interview with the Boston Globe, Raymond said he took part in the phone-jamming because he "had been reluctant to turn down a prominent official of the RNC, fearing that would cost him future opportunities from an organization that was becoming increasingly ruthless."

[Kathianne]

Oh and this:

http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=211


Nader For President 2004
P.O. Box 18002 - Washington, DC 20036 - www.votenader.org
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For Further Information:
September 21, 2004 Kevin Zeese 202.265.4000

Nader Highlights Anti-Democratic Dirty Tricks' Ties to Kerry and McAuliffe
Corporate Democrats Working With Corporate Republicans to Stop Anti-Corporate Power Nader-Camejo
Nader: “These Anti-Democratic Actions Go to the Top of the Party and Their Presidential Candidate”

Washington, DC: The independent campaign of Ralph Nader and Peter Miguel Camejo showed that Senator John Kerry and Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe are directly responsible for the anti-democratic dirty tricks attempting to keep Nader/Camejo off the ballot.

The Nader/Camejo campaign has repeatedly written Kerry and McAuliffe describing the dirty tricks and urging both to stop before the campaign was involved in a mini-Watergate scandal. Over two months ago Mr. McAuliffe and his spokesmen admitted encouraging efforts to keep Nader/Camejo off the ballot in “close states.” But now we know the DNC and the Kerry campaign that controls it are directly involved in this lawyer layered rancid drive.

At a press conference in Washington, DC, the campaign played a tape of sworn testimony by the head of the Democratic Party in Maine, Dorothy Malanson, in which she admits that the Democratic National Committee is paying for her time, the lawyers, and other expenses related to the challenge to keep Nader off the ballot—and that this is a national campaign....

Or maybe like this?

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008751.php


November 29, 2004
What ever happened to Steve Gardner?

Steve Gardner served on a Vietnam swift boat crew with John Kerry. He was the only member of the 12 man crew who spoke against Kerry, thus becoming a key figure in the most fascinating and, I believe, significant story of this year's election.

Unfortunately, as the Chicago Sun-Times reports, Gardner seems to have paid a heavy price for contradicting the official line on Kerry's Vietnam service. According to Gardner, shortly after he told his story to local radio stations and a local paper, he received a call from John Hurley, the veterans organizer for Kerry's campaign (and probably the least effective person ever to advocate a position on cable news). Gardner says that Hurley threatened him, stating "you better watch your step; we can look into your finances." Next Gardner heard from Douglas Brinkley author of Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War (arguably the most counter-productive campaign biography ever published). According to Gardner, Brinkley claimed he was "fact-checking" his book, which already was in print. In fact, Brinkley used the call to create an article critical of Gardner. Gardner says that Brinkley called him again, warning him to expect some calls.

Twenty-four hours later, Gardner's employer, Millennium Information Services, informed him via email that his posiiton with the company was being eliminated and that his services were no longer required. Gardner says that he has since seen the company advertising for his old position.

Gardner, the father of three, now is broke and unemployed. Nonetheless, he says he'd speak against Kerry all over again because "I couldn't ever see [Kerry] as commander in chief -- not after what I saw in Vietnam, not after the lies I heard him tell about what he says he did and what he says others did."

UPDATE by BIG TRUNK: We have written the author of the Sun-Times story asking how contributions might be directed to Gardner.

or like this, perhaps?

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/01/plea_bargains_for_election_tire_slashers/


Plea Bargains for Election Tire Slashers
James Joyner | Friday, January 20, 2006

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that four Kerry-Edwards staffers who slashed tires of Republican Party vans that were to take voters to the polls have been allowed to plead guilty to misdemeanor charges.

In an unexpected twist in the Election Day tire slashing trial, four former Kerry-Edwards campaign staffers, including the sons of U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Milwaukee) and former Acting Mayor Marvin Pratt, have agreed to plead no contest to misdemeanors. The plea agreements came in the middle of jury deliberations after an eight-day trial on felony property damage charges that carried potential 3 1/2 year prison terms upon conviction.

Michael Pratt, 33, Sowande Omokunde, 26, Lewis G. Caldwell, 29, and Lavelle Mohammad, 36, have all pleaded no contest to misdemeanor counts of criminal damage to property. Omokunde is Moore’s son.

Prosecutors will recommend probation sentences as part of the deal, and that the four together pay $5,317 in restitution for the damaged tires. The surprise resolution was offered by prosecutors at 2 p.m., nearly 7 hours into deliberations and an hour after a jury note complained of an impasse.

Milwaukee blogger Sean Hackbarth thinks this a gross miscarriage of justice and rounds up some other reactions.

Milwaukee District Attorney E. Michael McCann’s office is known as a plea bargain machine. Conservatives were pleasantly surprised when his office took the Milwaukee 5 to trial. Prosecutors went through eight days of testimony and arguments and put it in the jury’s hands. Until a few hours ago it seemed like we would have a verdict, but that wasn’t the case....


It started out with an alert security guard noticing a man urinating on a wall. Then the distinct sound of tires deflating. Now, two sons of prominent Wisconsin politicians and their three friends could end up in prison for allegedly attempting to sabotage a Republican effort to drive voters to the polls for the 2004 presidential election.

Jurors began deliberating this afternoon in the politically charged trial of five Democratic activists who are accused of slashing the tires of 25 vans rented by the Republican Party to shuttle voters to the polls for the Bush-Kerry presidential election. In what is perhaps the most extensive Wisconsin case involving a tire-slashing, jurors heard from 16 state witnesses and three defense witnesses during the nearly two-week trial that pitted local Democrats against national Democrats and revisited campaign “shenanigans” from both parties.

[…]

Republican campaigners had rented more than 100 vehicles for a get-out-the-vote campaign. The vehicles were parked in a lot adjacent to a Bush campaign office, and party workers planned to drive poll watchers to polling places by 7 a.m. on Nov. 2 to deliver any voters who needed a ride.

The state contends that the five men, all local campaign workers, left Democratic campaign headquarters and punctured the tires of vans parked around the perimeter of a staging area so that the vehicles inside couldn’t leave.

Attorneys for the five defendants, however, argued that the slashings were part of a broader national campaign by the Democrats to prevent a large Republican turnout in key states, and pointed to several “out-of-state political operatives” brought in by the Democrats as the culprits.

What’s really interesting to me isn’t so much that some people who probably slashed some tires aren’t getting substantial jail time but rather that their attorneys are claiming a widespread criminal conspiracy on the part of the Democratic Party and neither the press nor the Democratic Party seems particularly interested. It is an absolutely outrageous charge and one that the Democrats would seem to want to deny vehemently. Of course, if the press doesn’t air it, then there’s not much need for damage control.

[MtnBiker]

Are you or are you not concerned with voilating voting laws?

That was a violation of voting laws! You can't cherry pick illegal behavior.

[manu1959]

how is targeted marketing fraud......

[manu1959]

Are you or are you not concerned with voilating voting laws?

That was a violation of voting laws! You can't cherry pick illegal behavior.

sure she can....here argument if one republican operative is a douche then they all are.....where as the dems are just one off issues.....

[Mr. P]

TM never gets tired of having her nose rubbed in her own pee does she.:laugh2:

[truthmatters]

All you are finding is penny ante low ranking aswipes.

In the First case Kathy provided the Democratic Party Turned the person in themselfs.

What position did this guy hold in the R party network?

How many voters were actually effected?

[MtnBiker]

Are you or are you not concerned with voilating voting laws?

That was a violation of voting laws! You can't cherry pick illegal behavior.

[truthmatters]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/?id=386498

The out of state operative testified agains these asshole.

They were the brunt of the prosicutions case.

So much for the great big plan to slash tires.

[MtnBiker]

Look you cant just keep playing hear not evil , see no evil and or so does the other side when you can produce no evidence of any modernday violations.

Go Get the proof.


You asked for proof, it was given.

[MtnBiker]

Does voting violations take place on the Republican side? Sure

Does voting violations take place on the Democrat side? Sure

To be blind to that is absurd!

[Kathianne]

All you are finding is penny ante low ranking aswipes.

In the First case Kathy provided the Democratic Party Turned the person in themselfs.

What position did this guy hold in the R party network?

How many voters were actually effected?

The TM World=All Republicans bad=All, but a few, teeny, tiny ones Good.

Well again from Nader:

http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=116


Los Angeles Times
August 6, 2004

COMMENTARY
Democratic Party Should Live Up to Its Name
Nader deplores political skulduggery aimed at keeping him off the ballot.

By Ralph Nader

Though the Democrats have the right to robustly oppose my independent presidential campaign, they don’t have the right to engage in dirty tricks designed to deny millions of voters the opportunity to choose who should be the next president.

But that’s what is happening. Across the country, the Democratic Party, state Democratic partisans, corporate lobbyists and law firms are making an unprecedented effort to keep the Nader-Camejo ticket off the ballot. It’s a sordid, undemocratic tactic, an affront to voters and a threat to electoral choice.

We are the only serious candidates calling for a rapid withdrawal from Iraq. We’re the only ones highlighting how corporate control of the federal government has prevented healthcare for all Americans and how it has stymied passage of a wage that full-time workers can live on, as well as focusing on a host of other crucial but ignored issues. The so-called pro-choice Democrats do not want voters to have a political choice; they want them stuck with only two candidates. Democrats and corporate lobbyists conducted training sessions during the Democratic convention to plan a national campaign to keep Nader-Camejo off the ballot in as many states as possible. Participants were told that the most effective way to discourage people from signing our ballot-access petitions was to spread the rumor that the GOP supports our campaign in hopes of diverting Democratic voters.

That’s untrue. We estimate that less than 10% of the individuals contributing $1,000 or more are Republicans, while exit polls from 2000 show that nearly 25% of Nader voters were registered Republicans.

The real meddling in our campaign has come not from Republicans but from Democrats, with, as a Democratic National Committee official told me, the DNC’s approval. This includes:

• Spoiling our ballot access convention in Oregon by filling the auditorium with Democrats to undermine the convention by swelling the numbers and then not signing the petitions.

• Hiring corporate law firms to block our ballot efforts with litigation on frivolous technical grounds. In Arizona, 1,400 signatures were challenged because the signatories, although giving their complete address, did not include the name of their county. We could not afford to pay defense counsel and incur delays.

• Trying to exclude thousands of signatures in Illinois because the signatories had moved since registering to vote — even though they still lived in Illinois and even though they were still registered voters.

• Inappropriately using state employees, contractors and interns who work for Illinois’ Democratic speaker of the state House to review and challenge signatures on our ballot access petitions.

Not only are these efforts an attempt to deprive voters of choices in 2004 but, unless repulsed, they will set a precedent for undermining future third-party and independent candidates....

oh, another 'not so serious, because they aren't caught' story

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2004/10/25/daily15.html?f=et73


Tuesday, October 26, 2004
Arizona GOP office receives bomb threat
The Business Journal of Phoenix - by Mike Sunnucks The Business Journal

Another bomb threat was made against a Republican campaign office in the state -- the second in recent days.

The GOP's office in Tucson received the bomb threat Monday afternoon, and the incident has been reported to police, said spokesman Colin McCracken.

The event comes on the heels of a similar phoned-in bomb threat against Republican offices in Lake Havasu City and vandalism of other GOP outlets and George W. Bush campaign signs, including some adorned with swastikas.

Democrats and the John Kerry campaign also have reported having their campaigns signs and posters destroyed or damaged.

The amount of campaign related vandalism has risen this year in Arizona and other states.

In recent days, state Republican Party chairman Bob Fannin and Arizona Democratic Party chairman Jim Pederson have traded harsh rhetoric over the events, including accusing each other of voter intimidation.

Here's a link to those little pranks in AZ, pics included:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/008274.php

[truthmatters]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Republican_Leadership_Council


Do you want to face just how high up and well connected this guy was?

He was the executive Director of the Republican Leadership Council.


Yes you have found people passing out cigarettes and other low level people that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY turned into the police themselves and even some unfounded bullshit from a self important asshole like Nader.

This is High Level Heart of the leadership people we are talking here.

My parties leadership turned someone in for dirty tricks on their own side.

Your parties leadership was masterminding dirty tricks.

Those are the Facts.

[Kathianne]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Republican_Leadership_Council


Do you want to face just how high up and well connected this guy was?

He was the executive Director of the Republican Leadership Council.


Yes you have found people passing out cigarettes and other low level people that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY turned into the police themselves and even some unfounded bullshit from a self important asshole like Nader.

This is High Level Heart of the leadership people we are talking here.

My parties leadership turned someone in for dirty tricks on their own side.

Your parties leadership was masterminding dirty tricks.

Those are the Facts.
He's one guy. He plead guilty. He wrote a book that you and your friends can read. He is one of you now in all likelihood, doesn't much care for the GOP now.

The point you made was that Republicans were doing dirty tricks. The point that we made is that so do Democrats, but it's all ok with you. :cool:

[manu1959]

All you are finding is penny ante low ranking aswipes.

In the First case Kathy provided the Democratic Party Turned the person in themselfs.

What position did this guy hold in the R party network?

How many voters were actually effected?

are dem voters really so weak that all it takes is a phone call with a fake accent to sway you all.....

sounds like mind control.....

[truthmatters]

Its one guy at the Top who took the fall.

There were others even higher that the R party hired expensive lawyers to defend. They hung it on this guy and so he turned on them.

Everytime one of your own writes about what is happening in your party you pretend it means nothing.

The list is getting pretty long folks.

[BoogyMan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/opinion/01tue3.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


He worked as a Republican for years on elections until he went to jail for phone jamming.

Now hes written a book and is outing just how dirty the Republican party is.



It was a world in which, he claims, dirty tricks were the norm. When Mr. Raymond opened a political telemarketing firm, he was hired by a Republican challenging a New Jersey Democratic congressman. Mr. Raymond’s company — in a plan he says he hatched with the challenger’s advisers — called liberal Democrats and urged them to vote for the Green Party candidate.

Those same advisers, he says, gave Mr. Raymond another assignment: to call white households asking them to vote for the Democrat, using the voice of, as he puts it, a “ghetto black guy.” He also called union households, using voices with thick Spanish accents.

I guess you got your dispatch to post this on every forum you frequent from the liberal collective eh TM?

Never mind the FACT that not only does this book speak of Republican trickery but political trickery in general. Keep those eyes slammed shut and keep posting this mental feces wherever your masters tell you to post it. All it does is make a fool of you when people look into the whole of the matter.

Egads.....

[truthmatters]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tobin_%28political_operative%29

James Tobin was President George W. Bush's New England campaign chairman. He was convicted on December 15, 2005, of telephone harassment "for his part in a plot to jam the Democratic Party's phones on Election Day 2002." However, this conviction was later overturned by a federal appeals court.

As New England campaign chairman for Bush-Cheney '04 Inc., Tobin stepped down two weeks before the election when state Democrats accused him of involvement in a phone-jamming scheme on Election Day 2002. Tobin was later indicted for conspiracy.




More than one Big R went down folks.

My eyes are not shut.

Your eyes are just jaded to anything your party does is forgivable.

I posted a thread about a brand new book which delves into high level Republicans playing dirty and going to jail and all you people can do is attack me and show stories about passing cigarettes to bums and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY turning in thier own member to the police for playing dirty. Then by some wild stretch you try to claim Im the one not opening my eyes?


These are high level Republican party member not some clerk and a street flyer passer.


Open your eyes and drop your hate.

I care more about you than your party leaders Do.

They lie to you and I at least tell you the truth.

[BoogyMan]

You have one agenda and that is to post whatever you are instructed to post TM, and your eyes are so tightly shut that I am surprised you can cut and paste.

I have not claimed that modern politics isn't full of deceit, however, you have moronically claimed that the only deceit out there is on the GOP side of the spectrum.

[truthmatters]

You have one agenda and that is to post whatever you are instructed to post TM, and your eyes are so tightly shut that I am surprised you can cut and paste.

Instructed to post?

Where in your mind did you make up this little lie?





I have not claimed that modern politics isn't full of deceit, however, you have moronically claimed that the only deceit out there is on the GOP side of the spectrum.


Where have I said there is no corruption in the Dem party?

I have merely given evidence that the Republican party is rotten from the head down.

The democratic party seems to turn in the rats.

All facts given here point to that conclusion and Kathie provided some of these facts herself.


Corruption will touch any party that is created because man is corruptable.

The Republican party of this era is completely dirty.

It used to be an honorable and decent party at one time and it has produced Excellent leaders who I greatly admire like IKE.

That party has been allowed to turn into the slime bucket we see now because decent Republicans did not stand up to the scums who lie to them every elections and then cheat to get elected.

Hold your party leaders to their promises of Fiscal responsibilty for a change and maybe your arguement will have a leg to stand on.

[jimnyc]

Another new year and the dipshit is already starting off strong with her idiotic posts. She screams up and down about voting fraud issues but when presented with wrongdoing on just that about Dems she downplays and/or ignores it. There are literally countless threads on this board where she has been asked for proof of things she posts and to this day she refuses to post it, because she knows she is an idiot. If you look around at other boards you will see that she posts the EXACT same things on every board. Like a little piece of shit looking to get everyone to smell her.

TM, for the love of God, if you're going to nag us to death with your inane bullshit all year again - please - PLEASE take a literacy course so that we can understand a little bit of the gibberish you attempt to type. It's very sad to see a supposedly grown woman typing with the skills of a 3rd grader.

[BoogyMan]

Where have I said there is no corruption in the Dem party?

I have merely given evidence that the Republican party is rotten from the head down.

The democratic party seems to turn in the rats.

All facts given here point to that conclusion and Kathie provided some of these facts herself.


Corruption will touch any party that is created because man is corruptable.

The Republican party of this era is completely dirty.

It used to be an honorable and decent party at one time and it has produced Excellent leaders who I greatly admire like IKE.

That party has been allowed to turn into the slime bucket we see now because decent Republicans did not stand up to the scums who lie to them every elections and then cheat to get elected.

Hold your party leaders to their promises of Fiscal responsibilty for a change and maybe your arguement will have a leg to stand on.

You have got to be kidding me, you actually believe the tripe the collective sends you here to post don't you?

Your lies have been checked and your "facts" found lacking, get thee behind me.

[truthmatters]

Personal attacks and blindness to facts is not way to be on top of your life guys.


I want you to point out the so called lies I have posted here.

I have shown where in two of these cases the offenders were turned in and or testified against by the Democratic party higher ups.

I have also shown that the Republican party is dirty to the top levels.

This is not a ground level person handing out Cigarettes These people are at the top of the party and RUNNING and PLANNING presidential races for the Republican party.


I gave facts.

I gave them to you because I unlike your party leaders want you to know the truth.

[BoogyMan]

TM, as much as you would like to run away from your foolish commentary, you own it.

You actually tried to claim that the left has no deceit or corruption and want to backtrack on that little point when it is held back up in your face.

You also want to try and claim the book in the OP is only a discussion of Republican dirty tricks when he actually deals with the whole spectrum of political nastyness. You might actually try READING the books you try to use as proof for your rants.

Egads, you should be embarrassed.

[jimnyc]

I want you to point out the so called lies I have posted here.

Before you ever made a single post on this board, when you made up your username.

[truthmatters]

When was the last time a Dem went to prison and then wrote a book?

Look you cant just keep playing hear not evil , see no evil and or so does the other side when you can produce no evidence of any modernday violations.

Go Get the proof.

I have been giving you PROOF for months.




http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=592156




Description
Fresh out of grad school, Allen Raymond joined the GOP for one reason: rumor had it that there was big money to be made on the Republican side of the aisle.

From the earliest days of the Republican Revolution through its culmination in the second Bush White House, Raymond played a key role in helping GOP candidates twist the truth beyond recognition during a decade of crucial and bitterly fought campaigns. His career took him from the nastiest of local elections in New Jersey backwaters through runs for Congress and the Senate and right up to a top management position in a bid for the presidency itself.

It also took him to prison.

Full of wit and candor, Raymond's account offers an astonishingly frank look at the black art of campaigning and the vagaries of the Republican establishment. Unlike many "architects" of the political scene, the author takes full responsibility for his actions -- even as he never misses a trick.

A completely original tale of the disillusioning of a man who enters politics with no illusions, How to Rig an Election is a brilliant and hilarious exposé of how the contemporary political game is really played.






BM, this is what I said.

Would you like to correct your statement now?



http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=592156

By the way you insinuated you already read this book and it has not yet been released.



Description
Fresh out of grad school, Allen Raymond joined the GOP for one reason: rumor had it that there was big money to be made on the Republican side of the aisle.

From the earliest days of the Republican Revolution through its culmination in the second Bush White House, Raymond played a key role in helping GOP candidates twist the truth beyond recognition during a decade of crucial and bitterly fought campaigns. His career took him from the nastiest of local elections in New Jersey backwaters through runs for Congress and the Senate and right up to a top management position in a bid for the presidency itself.

It also took him to prison.

Full of wit and candor, Raymond's account offers an astonishingly frank look at the black art of campaigning and the vagaries of the Republican establishment. Unlike many "architects" of the political scene, the author takes full responsibility for his actions -- even as he never misses a trick.

A completely original tale of the disillusioning of a man who enters politics with no illusions, How to Rig an Election is a brilliant and hilarious exposé of how the contemporary political game is really played.


Product Details
Simon & Schuster, January 2008
Hardcover, 256 pages
ISBN-10: 1-4165-5222-7



Publication Date: January 8, 2008

[BoogyMan]

BM, this is what I said.

Would you like to correct your statement now?



http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=592156

By the way you insinuated you already read this book and it has not yet been released.



Description
Fresh out of grad school, Allen Raymond joined the GOP for one reason: rumor had it that there was big money to be made on the Republican side of the aisle.

From the earliest days of the Republican Revolution through its culmination in the second Bush White House, Raymond played a key role in helping GOP candidates twist the truth beyond recognition during a decade of crucial and bitterly fought campaigns. His career took him from the nastiest of local elections in New Jersey backwaters through runs for Congress and the Senate and right up to a top management position in a bid for the presidency itself.

It also took him to prison.

Full of wit and candor, Raymond's account offers an astonishingly frank look at the black art of campaigning and the vagaries of the Republican establishment. Unlike many "architects" of the political scene, the author takes full responsibility for his actions -- even as he never misses a trick.

A completely original tale of the disillusioning of a man who enters politics with no illusions, How to Rig an Election is a brilliant and hilarious exposé of how the contemporary political game is really played.


Product Details
Simon & Schuster, January 2008
Hardcover, 256 pages
ISBN-10: 1-4165-5222-7



Publication Date: January 8, 2008

I NEVER said I read that book, egads woman are you on drugs?

YOU DID however try to make it appear that YOU have by your usage of it as fodder for an ill-begotten OP that ignores half of the material in the book. You will notice from the SUMMARIES of the material in the book that Republican dirty tricks ARE NOT all of the material.

I don't blame you for trying to turn the tide after having LIED in the thread TM, I am sure that your commentary and failed lies are embarrassing.

[truthmatters]

"Full of wit and candor, Raymond's account offers an astonishingly frank look at the black art of campaigning and the vagaries of the Republican establishment"

Man you just see what you want to see huh?


"From the earliest days of the Republican Revolution through its culmination in the second Bush White House, Raymond played a key role in helping GOP candidates twist the truth beyond recognition during a decade of crucial and bitterly fought campaigns."

[Said1]

Wow some street level Dem handing out cigs compares with the type of fraud we are talking in this book?



I always loved the books about the old Tammany Hall boys. Corrupt as shit. I wonder who was more powerful, the corrupt Irish Dems or the Italian Mafia? :laugh2:

[truthmatters]

the mafia ,they had more money.

They are all dead now.

This is happening as we speak.

[Said1]

the mafia ,they had more money. I doubt it.

They are all dead now.No they're not.

This is happening as we speakSo are the crimes of other politicians/Mofioso. :shrug:.


:)

[PostmodernProphet]

you won't find any type of campaign fraud that the Dems didn't invent, promote, and excel in.......

[BoogyMan]

"Full of wit and candor, Raymond's account offers an astonishingly frank look at the black art of campaigning and the vagaries of the Republican establishment"

Man you just see what you want to see huh?


"From the earliest days of the Republican Revolution through its culmination in the second Bush White House, Raymond played a key role in helping GOP candidates twist the truth beyond recognition during a decade of crucial and bitterly fought campaigns."

Simply go back to your ORIGINAL POST and continue the lies TM.

[Said1]

you won't find any type of campaign fraud that the Dems didn't invent, promote, and excel in.......

It's pre-programmed. Cognitive. It knows no boarders. :laugh2:

[truthmatters]

Just more empty words.

The Washington Post[11]: "In 1986, the RNC tried to have 31,000 voters, most of them black, removed from the rolls in Louisiana when a party mailer was returned. The consent decrees that resulted prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that target minorities or conduct mail campaigns to 'compile voter challenge lists.'" The Republican National Committee reportedly stopped the practice following the consent decree in the 1986 case, but allegations of RNC-conducted voter caging arose once again in the 2004 elections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_caging
Its your party that has been repetedly caught

[BoogyMan]

I see that you have again tried to change your tactics when shown the errors of your assumptive and flagrantly false commentary.

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

Just more empty words.

The Washington Post[11]: "In 1986, the RNC tried to have 31,000 voters, most of them black, removed from the rolls in Louisiana when a party mailer was returned. The consent decrees that resulted prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that target minorities or conduct mail campaigns to 'compile voter challenge lists.'" The Republican National Committee reportedly stopped the practice following the consent decree in the 1986 case, but allegations of RNC-conducted voter caging arose once again in the 2004 elections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_caging
Its your party that has been repetedly caught :poke:Give it a rest truthdoesn'tmatter no ones buying your BULLSHIT :fu:

[Kathianne]

...
Its(sic) your party that has been repetedly(sic) caught(sic)

Just goes to show, your party has more experience and is better at it.

[truthmatters]

Wow you people will stand there and defend these tactics adn claim without any facts that because Dems have not been convicted of the same level of cheating that it means that the Dems are guiltier?


I provided court documented facts and have recieved nothing but lies ,inuendo insults and false claims of me claiming something I have not claimed.

I hope this is not how you would react to crime in your own family.

Would you claim your older child is a better criminal than your younger child who was caught stealing?

Would you look the prosicutor in the face and tell him the evidence of theft means nothing after a judge had convicted your child?


It really blows me away how bendable the moral standing of the current Republican party faithful is.


You want to save both your younger and older child and any more you may have later?

Then see to it the child who was convicted understands the error of their ways and realises you will not tolerate that behavior in your family. Tell him to take his punishment like a man and to straighten out.

It seems the choice you are currently making is to deny fault and defend criminal activity and to say Well the nieghbor kid probably stole something too but did not get caught. Yeah that will teach your children good morals.

[darin]

i'm convinced, TM, you will not be happy until goverment controls every aspect of our lives. Our free-will. Our Employment. Our Health. You really should have been born in Moscow in the 1950s.

[truthmatters]

i'm convinced, TM, you will not be happy until goverment controls every aspect of our lives. Our free-will. Our Employment. Our Health. You really should have been born in Moscow in the 1950s.

The really sad part of this little rant is I have NEVER said anything resembling this. You just hate anyone who shows you the party you cling to is not living up to what it once was. There was a time when they Republican party was a great party with great ideals. It ran and gave this country honorable men like Ike. The only way the Republican party will ever be great again is for people like the people on this site to demand it live up to the laws and go back to Loving Democracy instead of trying to insist we are not suppose to serve the will of the people. There was a time when Republicans were proud America was a democracy and now republicans dont like any association with the name. If you want your party respected then make it respectable. Just constantly denying what has become obvious to the majority of Americans which is that the Republican party has been hyjacked by the corporations and does its bidding and not the peoples is getting your party nowhere.