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red states rule
12-23-2007, 06:45 AM
You know Bill Clinton has a perception problem when a left wing nut like Maureen Dowd writes a piece like this

Bill is no longer seen as a political god as he once was. Some are seing the Clintons for what they really are - and that is bad news for the Clintons



Savior or Saboteur?

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: December 23, 2007


Once it was about Hillary, but now, of course, it’s about Bill.

Our ubiquitous ex-president is playing his favorite uxorious game, and it goes like this: Let’s create chaos and then get out of it together. You ride to my rescue or I ride to yours. We come within an inch of dying and then recapture the day by the skin of our teeth. While we’re killing ourselves, we blame everyone else. We’ll be heroes.

It worked for Bill and Hillary in ’92 and ’96. It didn’t work in the health care debacle. Will it work in Iowa and New Hampshire?

Just when I thought I was out, the Clintons pull me back into their conjugal psychodrama.

Inside the Bill gang and the Hillary gang, there is panic and perplexity. Is Bill a loyal spouse or a subconscious saboteur?

Should Hillaryland muzzle him? Give him a minder? Is he rusty? Or is he freelancing because he relishes his role as head of the party his wife is trying to take over?

“For the first time since the Marc Rich pardon,” said a friend of the Clintons, “Bill is seriously diminishing his personal standing with the people closest to him.”

Certainly Bill wants to repay Hill for those traumatic times when he had to hide behind her skirt. And certainly he feels that his legacy is tied to her. He suggests to Matt Bai in today’s Times Magazine that she can be F.D.R. to his Teddy Roosevelt, getting through the ideas that fell flat the first time.

Is Bill torn between resentment of being second fiddle and gratification that Hillary can be first banana only with his help? Their relationship has always been a co-dependence between his charm and her discipline. But what if, as some of her advisers suggest, she turned out to be a tougher leader, quicker to grasp foreign policy, less skittish about using military power and more inspirational abroad? What if she were to use his mistakes as a reverse blueprint, like W. did with his dad?

When Bill gets slit-eyed, red-faced and finger-wagging in defense of her, is he really defending himself, ego in full bloom, against aspersions that Obama and Edwards cast on Clintonian politics?

Maybe the Boy Who Can’t Help Himself is simply engaging in his usual patterns of humiliating Hillary and lighting an exploding cigar when things are going well.

for the complete article

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

PostmodernProphet
12-23-2007, 07:59 AM
I like the article, but what is amazing is that it comes from a hardline Democrat like Dowd......

Kathianne
12-23-2007, 08:01 AM
I like the article, but what is amazing is that it comes from a hardline Democrat like Dowd......

Yep, that's what I said yesterday, when I posted it:

http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=10025&highlight=dowd

:laugh2:

red states rule
12-23-2007, 08:02 AM
Yep, that's what I said yesterday, when I posted it:

http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=10025&highlight=dowd

:laugh2:

Sorry about that - I did not see your thread

The Mods will merge them later

actsnoblemartin
12-23-2007, 08:02 AM
bill is a dork, who should go into retirement permanently


You know Bill Clinton has a perception problem when a left wing nut like Maureen Dowd writes a piece like this

Bill is no longer seen as a political god as he once was. Some are seing the Clintons for what they really are - and that is bad news for the Clintons



Savior or Saboteur?

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: December 23, 2007


Once it was about Hillary, but now, of course, it’s about Bill.

Our ubiquitous ex-president is playing his favorite uxorious game, and it goes like this: Let’s create chaos and then get out of it together. You ride to my rescue or I ride to yours. We come within an inch of dying and then recapture the day by the skin of our teeth. While we’re killing ourselves, we blame everyone else. We’ll be heroes.

It worked for Bill and Hillary in ’92 and ’96. It didn’t work in the health care debacle. Will it work in Iowa and New Hampshire?

Just when I thought I was out, the Clintons pull me back into their conjugal psychodrama.

Inside the Bill gang and the Hillary gang, there is panic and perplexity. Is Bill a loyal spouse or a subconscious saboteur?

Should Hillaryland muzzle him? Give him a minder? Is he rusty? Or is he freelancing because he relishes his role as head of the party his wife is trying to take over?

“For the first time since the Marc Rich pardon,” said a friend of the Clintons, “Bill is seriously diminishing his personal standing with the people closest to him.”

Certainly Bill wants to repay Hill for those traumatic times when he had to hide behind her skirt. And certainly he feels that his legacy is tied to her. He suggests to Matt Bai in today’s Times Magazine that she can be F.D.R. to his Teddy Roosevelt, getting through the ideas that fell flat the first time.

Is Bill torn between resentment of being second fiddle and gratification that Hillary can be first banana only with his help? Their relationship has always been a co-dependence between his charm and her discipline. But what if, as some of her advisers suggest, she turned out to be a tougher leader, quicker to grasp foreign policy, less skittish about using military power and more inspirational abroad? What if she were to use his mistakes as a reverse blueprint, like W. did with his dad?

When Bill gets slit-eyed, red-faced and finger-wagging in defense of her, is he really defending himself, ego in full bloom, against aspersions that Obama and Edwards cast on Clintonian politics?

Maybe the Boy Who Can’t Help Himself is simply engaging in his usual patterns of humiliating Hillary and lighting an exploding cigar when things are going well.

for the complete article

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

red states rule
12-23-2007, 08:06 AM
bill is a dork, who should go into retirement permanently

Like Peanut Carter, jhe is an ex-President who refuses to go the hell away